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Can owners of Honda PCX or Click or many other non-ABS Honda bikes, with either back disc or back drum brake, confirm this please; if you only pull the left lever brake hard on your bike, going slowly and straight, would your front wheel locks up... !? 

 

 

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No I very much doubt that. I has never happened to me in 5 years of riding a Click with CBS. What I find is that the left lever is good for normal braking, but you have to use both levers if you want heavier braking.

 

I've never had to do an emergency stop in anger, but I've rehearsed it several times and I think that the front could be locked using the right lever, but I've stopped short of proving it for obvious safety reasons.

 

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Thanks for the info, try your left lever alone in anger, as you say, at about 30-40kph and keep it straight and see what happens,  it's not that dangerous, as bike pretty much slows down and comes to a stop. I just want to know if the front wheel locks up and skids a bit at the end before stopping...

 

Yes, the right lever will lock up your front wheel no problem specially with a front disc brake, try to avoid that, not safe... 

 

 

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24 minutes ago, Agusts said:

Thanks for the info, try your left lever alone in anger, as you say, at about 30-40kph and keep it straight and see what happens,  it's not that dangerous,

On a gravel road it will put you down. 😁

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I have a few times had the rear wheel lock up when pulling the left lever on a wet road, even then, the front wheel did not lock up.

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I have a Click and the left lever is something like 70% rear 30% front. It shouldn't lock but you need to be careful just in case, i always brake with the left first followed by right if necessary. My instinct was to use the right brake first so i had to train my self to use the left instead 

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No, never had a lock up in 8 years of ownership.

Good system.

 

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I am glad I have a bike with a front brake lever on the ride side, a foot brake for the back, and the left lever is for the clutch. It all makes logical sense and works perfect.

How do you ride with two brakes left and right? Brake on the left side a little but if you really want to brake use the right one? Strange...

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I haven't fallen off my suzuki step since having new brakes fitted after my last brake and skid accident.

It used to lock up all the time.

My big bike has ABS, wonderful.

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On 5/26/2020 at 11:22 PM, farang51 said:

I have a few times had the rear wheel lock up when pulling the left lever on a wet road, even then, the front wheel did not lock up.

Same here. Never front lock 

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On Honda Zoomer, Is the front breaking system same as back break i.e Disc break-cannot see because of housing around back system?

And how often should you change discs? 

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Honda's system is imho dangerous on very slippery surfaces where you really want to only use the back brake. It always applies the front brake to some degree.

 

On 5/26/2020 at 1:59 PM, Agusts said:

Can owners of Honda PCX or Click or many other non-ABS Honda bikes, with either back disc or back drum brake, confirm this please; if you only pull the left lever brake hard on your bike, going slowly and straight, would your front wheel locks up... !? 

Normally it should not but yes it can under very unfortunate situations when the surface is very slippery and/or your tires are not in good shape.

 

The Honda CBS applies a part of the braking force also to the front if you use the left lever (while some other manufacturers do it the opposite way which imho makes more sense). IIRC it applies it to one out of three pistons or some such. So it's not the same braking power front and back but there is some at the front. With low enough grip, the front tire will indeed lock up. In normal conditions that shouldn't happen. But in the wet... I wouldn't want to bet on it not locking up. Combine that with the lack of ABS and you get a dangerous situation.

 

In 99.9% of cases it's fine and probably helps because most riders don't know what they are doing (i would argue these ppl anyways will just activate the right lever anyways and crash). In a few cases though it'll bite you in your derriere and there's nothing you can do no matter how skilled you are 😞

 

13 hours ago, hackjam said:

And how often should you change discs? 

Less often than pads.

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