Popular Post Saint Nick Posted May 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, mr mr said: it is this kind of precise decision making that has shown the true strength and leadership skills of the current government. where would thailand be without this great decision making ? i for one am truly grateful. Wow! Denial is not a river in Egypt, you know?! Leadership skills? As in "keeping millions of people without job and financial aide for weeks or even months"? Or as in "letting the Chinese come in by the plane- load, when the whole world already knew, what was going on"? Or as in "scapegoating foreigners for the spread of the virus"? Or maybe " implementing a useless curfew, a questionable alcohol ban and some non-sensesical measures like closing pool but opening markets (which never were closed in the first place"? Yeah...all that! Great work! Edited May 27, 2020 by Saint Nick 9 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RedRoadRunner Posted May 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2020 Just a farce and laughable at the best ???? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PETERTHEEATER Posted May 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2020 5 hours ago, mr mr said: it is this kind of precise decision making that has shown the true strength and leadership skills of the current government. where would thailand be without this great decision making ? i for one am truly grateful. .....(sounds of retching....) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post spidermike007 Posted May 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2020 Not sure how much Prayuth had to do with this. But, it is definitely a success story. Considering that the nation probably had 1.5 to 2.5 million foreigners here, many from China, in December, January, and at least half of February, it is amazing how few cases developed, and the mortality rate is impressive. Question the numbers all you want. I look at results. I do think the Thais have some sort of natural immunity to Covid, to some extent. And there are alot of other factors. Regardless, the outcome was a great success. This thing is dead here, and the only way a second wave is coming, is if foreigners bring it in when the nation opens up to tourism. Much care must be taken to avoid that. 3 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Saint Nick Posted May 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2020 3 hours ago, Tanlic said: How stupid do you think people are? There are only eg 6 cases in Phitsanulok. Do you think for one minute if someone died of Covid 19 they could hide it and get away with it? Thais gossip the same as everyone but out of 870,000 people who live there not one rumour suggesting there are people dying of Covid 10 is being circulated. Hospitals have thousands of staff u simply cant hide the truth from all..........you're the one that is in denial about how well Thailand for whatever reason has handled this ...and how well educated you think, people are? And how many of them would dare to question a doctors verdict & decision? If you had a monthly income of 5.000 THB and you would feel a bit sick...light fever, a bit of a cough...would you go to the hospital and get Covid- tested and if you got a negative test - result, they would kindly ask you to dig into your pockets and cough up between 1.000 and 5.000 Baht? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebumbu Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Graemej100 said: I, for one, would not have believed at the beginning of this that Thailand could ever achieve the low levels that they have. But, the fact is, without any conflicting evidence they have done a bloody good job. Credit where credit is due. Hear, hear! Very grateful that I was fortunate enough to be here during this global crisis. If the statistics are accurate, they are amazing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relocated Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Mulambana said: What is amazing to me that people who can't even find a bride in their home country, can't earn a decent living in their retirmenet in their home country come to Thailand and become expert in everything. Until all the facts are known later on, it is too early to make judgement. Considering all the circumstances and conditions, it is most unlikely that Thailand was more successful than others for said reason. If it is so, then whole COVID thing seems to be nonsense and drama. It is like telling that Papua-New Guinean physicist discovered unified theory hundred years ago. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post gamini Posted May 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2020 We see the usual pathetic mentally retarded Thai bashers criticising Thailand success in containing the virus. They automatically criticise anything any government or Thais do, good orbad. They twist good news into bad news. I think many Brits whose government response to the virus is pathetic at best. Thank God I live in Thailand and not in the UK. 5 2 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Justgrazing Posted May 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Yinn said: Thailand less than 100. 2 hours ago, Yinn said: Thailand more test than Finland, Norway, Sweden etc. and less death. test everyday How come then this apparent success is not being lauded outside of Thailand .? N Z , S K , Taiwan and China ( if you believe them ) are held up as those who appear to have had an element of success dealing with .. In Europe Germany and Greece are touted especially against the backdrop of some of the other countries efforts who I would not disagree wid'ju have made a right Horlicks of it in particular Britain .. But I don't see no bigging up of Thailand's success .. Nothing on the international press or TV .. How can this be ? less 100 deceased from C V and yet outside of Thailand not a peep .. How odd .. Edited May 27, 2020 by Justgrazing Sp 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post decca60 Posted May 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2020 Hi It's amazing to see that people in general ( even more disguished in generals) can accept the fact that there is a pandemic (and we do face one) but do not accept a high number of deaths related to it. It has been like this for centuries.... Did the politicians manage well the pandemic or not is not only a question of daily count of dead people. All these numbers, everywhere are biaized by several indirect factors. ex: if I am a 80 yo obese with cardiac conditions, hi blood pressure smoker and I get the COVID and die. Did I die from Covid or from my pre-conditions helped by the COVID. Would I have died un sux months time without Covid ????? Am I a real Covid victim ??? debatable...... The only interesting numbers will be the additional deaths by country year 2020 vs average 2018/19. This will show the truth and how bad was the Chinese virus. For me, the only point to judge the effectiveness or not of a government will be the way they manage the economic nuclear bomb they have created in their respective countries. And I'm affraid Thailand will not be in the top 10 looking at the structure of its economy. all the rest is media circus and hype. “Talent hits a target no one else can hit. Genius hits a target no one else can see.” ― Arthur Schopenhauer 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sapson Posted May 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2020 2 hours ago, DirtyHarry55 said: Can't help but think people in this part of Asia have some built in Immunity or perhaps a herb boosting their immune systems? Or perhaps very limited testing and life goes on people are sick recover and older people are sick and many dont recover and die, very much the norm in rural areas ........ limited routine testing except for returnees from abroad. Go through the motions of lockdown restrictions but just a charade as far as the real Covid situation and testing goes..............lift the carpet all hands to the brooms. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Boot Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 A bit of a conundrum this one. Thailand is obviously not overrun with the virus like UK & parts of the US, the current situation in the hospitals support this. The government did get off to a stupid start, but within days of Singapore & Malaysia locking down, so did Thailand. I scraped back in with 12 hours to spare from Singapore. It seems likely that the sudden change of approach was more likely them taking Singapore's lead, where they do know how to govern effectively. I'm sure there have been more cases than reported, due to the testing policy, but that said, there obviously isn't a mass epidemic here. For the first 6 weeks or so, people were pretty consistent in their mask wearing here. Dropping off a bit now though. That's the positive side. The government made two counter-intuitive announcements over the past 2 days. Firstly - that Chonburi had gone 31 straight days with no new infections. Followed a day later by - emergency measures to be extended until June 30th. Which begs the question - why? A phased release of lock down commensurate with local situation would be a measure that could be tried in a select location/s - here for example (Pattaya), given the good news above. So why the continuation of emergency measures? We know they don't think things through to their logical conclusion & logic is just something computers use. Its so obvious to us that are capable of critical thinking, that something doesn't add up here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SkyFax Posted May 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2020 13 minutes ago, decca60 said: “Talent hits a target no one else can hit. Genius hits a target no one else can see.” ― Arthur Schopenhauer Paranoia is repeatedly trying to hit a target which doesn't exist. -- SkyFax 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlover Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Boomer6969 said: 3 hours ago, Yinn said: I join tvf forum one year ago today. My one year anniversary. I surprised by “Thai bashing” so much. The last 4 months proof how stupid you guys are. 2 hours ago, Boomer6969 said: Even though, I can see some benefits in being in Thailand in the time of COVID, I regret to say that a statement like this one disqualifies you to post here. 11 likes, 3 thank yous and 1 re-quote (from me) say otherwise. Stick to it @Yinn Edited May 27, 2020 by Moonlover 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Peter Denis Posted May 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2020 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Moonlover said: 11 likes, 3 thank yous and 1 re-quote (from me) say otherwise. Stick to it @Yinn 1 hour ago, Peter Denis said: I am not a thai basher, far from that. But this farang-bashing and thai-glorifying post of yours is truly pathetic. 4 likes and 2 thank yous, show that not everybody is supporting Yinn's xenophobic posts... Edited May 27, 2020 by Peter Denis 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeeJayEm Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, bodga said: Claptrap, and this govt will use this rubbish mercilessly to promote themsleves, social distancing is the last thing any Thais do, I shall await future research as to why some countries have had little impact with cv19 inc surrounding countries. Whether climate affects the results or not, outdoor lifestyle etc. So not quite claptrap yet then? Even allowing for possible temperature effects (see for example Hale Uni correlations) the difference between eg U.K. (same population but which failed to lockdown early or and control foreign entry at all) is huge - 40,000 deaths vs 60 !! It seems fairly likely to me that decisive governments and populations with a tendency toward compliance (rather than endless debate like in U.K.) are likely to fare better in this type of crisis. Edited May 27, 2020 by PeeJayEm Typo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantomfiddler Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 Nice to see even the Bangkok Post is catching on, they describe the dining rules as ABSURD ! as are the rest of the such rules. What I would like to know is who is responsible for trying to change the way everyone lives, and why ? It does not sound like something that would be on the Chinese agenda, more like someone who intends to make billions from a vaccine. Always follow the money. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Nick Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 1 hour ago, gamini said: We see the usual pathetic mentally retarded Thai bashers criticising Thailand success in containing the virus. They automatically criticise anything any government or Thais do, good orbad. They twist good news into bad news. I think many Brits whose government response to the virus is pathetic at best. Thank God I live in Thailand and not in the UK. "...pathetic mentally retarded Thai bashers..." Projection much? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeeJayEm Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Expat Brad said: They're doing a pretty good job at hiding and manipulating the truth in the US by some reports. 4 hours ago, Expat Brad said: They're doing a pretty good job at hiding and manipulating the truth in the US by some reports. But they haven’t been able to hide 100,000 deaths in US which is more to Tanlic’s point. Edited May 27, 2020 by PeeJayEm Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 6 hours ago, tribalfusion001 said: Don't test many, don't get many positives. Harsh lockdown has probably caused more deaths than covid-19. You know nothing about Thai road deaths then....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 1 hour ago, gamini said: We see the usual pathetic mentally retarded Thai bashers criticising Thailand success in containing the virus. They automatically criticise anything any government or Thais do, good orbad. They twist good news into bad news. I think many Brits whose government response to the virus is pathetic at best. Thank God I live in Thailand and not in the UK. Oh well..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravia Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 So they are concerned about a second wave, even if its 200% worse that would mean 150 odd deaths . This is nothing, the road death toll of 26000 in the Covid 19 period is of far greater concern. It is amusing to see motor bike riders with stupid masks but no helmet. the average Thai death toll per day from all things is 1,400. So the economy is destroyed, people have no jobs and no money to eat, people are depressed and bored and are becoming institutionalised, shopping Malls are open but empty, Restaurants cant sell alcohol also empty. Why Thailand has so few cases has nothing to do with lock down, masks, plastic face screens or social distancing. Just go to a local market. There must be some other reason that this whole area of south east asia has so few cases and deaths compared to Europe, UK similar population but 1000s of supposed corona deaths and cases it just doesn't add up. Year 2017/18 60,000 influenza deaths in the USA alone. (Covid 19 is a influenza type virus), nobody shut down the world. In 1918/19 Spanish flu 50,000,000 deaths worldwide nobody shut down the world. So why now? . WHO now says maybe Sweden had the right approach, my feeling is that it would have certainly worked here in south east asia. But shutting the boarders would have been required. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post abrahamzvi Posted May 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2020 All my respect to the Thai authorities who have been very successfully managing this universal disaster. They have been doing so the only way it should be done, listening to science and acting accordingly. And they have realized that this is not a battle between health and economy. On the contrary one goes with the other. By preventing the spread of the virus they are enabling the economy to slowly and carefully recover. Well done!! 1 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Logosone Posted May 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2020 18 minutes ago, gravia said: So they are concerned about a second wave, even if its 200% worse that would mean 150 odd deaths . This is nothing, the road death toll of 26000 in the Covid 19 period is of far greater concern. It is amusing to see motor bike riders with stupid masks but no helmet. the average Thai death toll per day from all things is 1,400. So the economy is destroyed, people have no jobs and no money to eat, people are depressed and bored and are becoming institutionalised, shopping Malls are open but empty, Restaurants cant sell alcohol also empty. Why Thailand has so few cases has nothing to do with lock down, masks, plastic face screens or social distancing. Just go to a local market. There must be some other reason that this whole area of south east asia has so few cases and deaths compared to Europe, UK similar population but 1000s of supposed corona deaths and cases it just doesn't add up. Year 2017/18 60,000 influenza deaths in the USA alone. (Covid 19 is a influenza type virus), nobody shut down the world. In 1918/19 Spanish flu 50,000,000 deaths worldwide nobody shut down the world. So why now? . WHO now says maybe Sweden had the right approach, my feeling is that it would have certainly worked here in south east asia. But shutting the boarders would have been required. Indeed influenza has presented a similar conundrum to many. Why are Thai figures so low? Is it a special herb? Is it age? Is it the weather? When the researchers looked at the data they realised that Thai data was too poor to make a determination. In particular because death certificates were in most cases simply wrong. So is the answer: 1) A secret herb 2) Genetic supermen or 3) Terrible data I won't give the answer away, but it's not an impossible riddle. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brunolem Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 36 minutes ago, abrahamzvi said: By preventing the spread of the virus they are enabling the economy to slowly and carefully recover.... ...from death...which is called resurrection... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mansell Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 6 hours ago, M71 said: Success story ?? Any country can beat a common seasonal flu. Ain't rocket science. STUPID-19 ?? Wow! You sound like some of the morons on the beach in America. This isn’t the flu. It is highly contagious and dangerous. Read more than the headlines. Read about some of the doctors and nurses who have died of this very smart virus. I would hope you don’t end up in hospital on a ventilator with two tubes jammed down your throat and put into a coma because your body is starting to close down. Use your brain....doctors and nurses don’t die in droves from the flu. We don’t see coffins stacked up in New York waiting to be buried in one huge communal grave from the flu. Of course if you want to live in denial that is your choice. People like you think it is a joke or a big control issue by the powers that be. Educate yourself before it is to late for you, and lay off the bleach! 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomauasia Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 It's all rubbish. The virus has early effect because people were not aware. That's all changed. There using this to crush democracy destroy entertainment industry. It's just a excuse to control with a hidden agenda. Close beaches ???? madness. Close airport madness. Close economy is a disaster. RELY on Chinese is asylum worthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mulambana Posted May 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2020 4 hours ago, DirtyHarry55 said: built in Immunity or perhaps a herb boosting their immune systems? I was reading an article that European genes have weak immune response. It was caused at the dawn of human evolution when interbreeding between neanderthals and modern human was rampant in Europe. But Australia and New Zeland have very low case fatality rate and compares well with Asian/African countries. This virus is very enigmatic. Every time one finds a theory, a counter example negates it. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
473geo Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 (edited) We have a free flu vaccine in the UK in 2018 - 19 nearly 30% of those entitled over 65 didn't bother Company I work for offered to refund employees having vaccinations - many did not bother Nearly 50% of those between 2 - 65 entitled listed as being at risk didn't bother Apathy - the silent killer Edited May 27, 2020 by 473geo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 1 hour ago, gravia said: In 1918/19 Spanish flu 50,000,000 deaths worldwide nobody shut down the world. World War I might have had a tiny part to do with that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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