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8 minutes ago, PingRoundTheWorld said:

What increase in domestic tourism? all the unemployed and underemployed people? where would this increase come from? If anything there will be a huge decrease in domestic tourism even when they're allowed to go.

Last year, Thai's spent 260 bill. on overseas travel. It's not unreasonable to think that some percentage of that spend will be diverted and spent on domestic travel this year.

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8 hours ago, Blumpie said:

It's not just tourism - it's the manufacturing sector, et all.  Thailand is getting hammered from all ends, but the worst is tourism, which is 11 percent but experts have said it's 15 percent GDP not including 5 percent GDP spinoff.  

 

They are really trying to spin this story and get people not too worried.  There will be no tourism this year.  

I couldn't have put it better, 11% is so under valued, what about all the other business that rely on tourist number's, they said not long ago that tourisum accounts for 20% of GDP

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2 hours ago, cerox said:

If I understand it correctly, 11% GDP is what the government cares about because here taxes are being paid.

 

The freelancers, people who do not pay taxes: I do not think the government has any interest in them so the official GDP sounds what is realistic and they care about. I know you will say people starve and have no livelihood - but still, the government has different priorities I think.

Yes , they don't see money flowing from hand to hand , but they certainly can guess . They do know how much foreign money is coming in , either from exchange or from ATM withdraws . If it is all counted in idk , but i guess it is since 11% GDP isn't nothing . Thailand has many other industries also .

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1 hour ago, Soikhaonoiken said:

I couldn't have put it better, 11% is so under valued, what about all the other business that rely on tourist number's, they said not long ago that tourisum accounts for 20% of GDP

The press and media and largely to blame for this confusion, it was said for a long time that Tourism represented 20% of GDP until somebody pointed out that Tourism is an export and in fact accounts for 20% of all Exports, NOT 20% of GDP. So if you want to calculate the value of Tourism you first have to know the value of all Exports and then take 20% of that figure. 

 

GDP in 2019 was valued at USD 520 bill., exported goods in that year were worth USD 249.2 bill. and Tourism was valued at USD 62.3 bill. Those numbers make Tourism worth about 20% of Exports and Total Exports worth 60% of GDP. Sliced a different way, Tourism was worth 12% of GDP.

 

https://tradingeconomics.com/thailand/gdp

 

https://www.thaiwebsites.com/imports-exports.asp

 

https://tradingeconomics.com/thailand/international-tourism-receipts-percent-of-total-exports-wb-data.html

 

https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/thailand/tourism-revenue

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3 hours ago, cerox said:

If I understand it correctly, 11% GDP is what the government cares about because here taxes are being paid.

 

The freelancers, people who do not pay taxes: I do not think the government has any interest in them so the official GDP sounds what is realistic and they care about. I know you will say people starve and have no livelihood - but still, the government has different priorities I think.

Girl gets money, girl buys mobile phone. shop pays tax on mobile phone. That's just one very plain example

 

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1 hour ago, sezze said:

Yes , they don't see money flowing from hand to hand , but they certainly can guess . They do know how much foreign money is coming in , either from exchange or from ATM withdraws . If it is all counted in idk , but i guess it is since 11% GDP isn't nothing . Thailand has many other industries also .

Yes, I reckon a lot of their data comes from atm's and also card transactions.

I don't see how they can measure those who bring baht with them.

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2 minutes ago, Chelseafan said:

Yes, I reckon a lot of their data comes from atm's and also card transactions.

I don't see how they can measure those who bring baht with them.

This is how TAT measures tourist spend in Thailand, it's the same system used by countries in the West to measure, unemployment, take census etc etc. The presentation below is from 2005 but useful because it explains the process which remains in use today:

 

https://unstats.un.org/unsd/tradeserv/Workshops/Madrid/IWTS_Item17(Thailand).pdf

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Wrong, there are lots of tourists who are still in Thailand. They did not leave in time, but they 

are not the yearly expats, they are not spouses of Thai women who chose to stay

in Thailand instead of their home countries. I even know one from Calgary. The airways

and buses and trains from other countries will have to start operating before any

outside tourists go back to Thailand, so this is a silly head line.

Good luck Thailand, especially TAT, as you cannot talk of millions of visitors

for a while yet.

Geezer

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10 hours ago, Trillian said:

Last year, Thai's spent 260 bill. on overseas travel. It's not unreasonable to think that some percentage of that spend will be diverted and spent on domestic travel this year.

Last year, they had 260 bill to spend!  No way are things going back to normal this year imo.  

 

 

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38 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

Last year, they had 260 bill to spend!  No way are things going back to normal this year imo.  

 

 

Nobody is suggesting that will happen. All that is being said is that some of the money spent last year (THB 260 bill.) by native Thai people  on overseas travel will this year be spent on domestic holidays and that will partially offset the loss caused by having no foreign tourists.

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Probably the leading contender for Thai Visa totally pathetic pointless article of the year award.!

 

Borders closed therefore no tourists .............no sh@t Sherlock!

 

if clicks are needed for advertising revenue run a thread about the Thai Uni girls shockingly tight and short uniforms again ... include a few examples and watch the stampede ...........

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15 hours ago, Chelseafan said:

Girl gets money, girl buys mobile phone. shop pays tax on mobile phone. That's just one very plain example

 

sex stall in suk road sells viagra and lubes and vibrators to girl ,both of them pay no tax thats another example

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6 minutes ago, kingdong said:

315 baht?that's £8 for a bottle of disenfectant.

No, it's just 315 baht.....forget the 8 Pounds, that means nothing whatsoever here, except to you.

 

A plate of pad thai in a food court is 40 baht, that's just 40 baht, not one Pound.

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17 hours ago, sapson said:

Probably the leading contender for Thai Visa totally pathetic pointless article of the year award.!

 

Borders closed therefore no tourists .............no sh@t Sherlock!

 

if clicks are needed for advertising revenue run a thread about the Thai Uni girls shockingly tight and short uniforms again ... include a few examples and watch the stampede ...........

I'm all for that getting sick of this Corona nonsense 

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April 2020 tourist arrivals are down by a staggering 99.92% Y-o-Y, but who are the 0.08%?

97,723 people arrived in Thailand in April, 63,426 Thais and 34,297 foreigners. 31,496 of the foreign arrivals are aircrews. They outnumber tourist by 1:11. Strange times we live in.

Of the foreigners only 2,758 were tourist, as below:

 

Malaysian = 2,412

Lao = 188

Chinese = 55

Indonesian = 31

Vietnam = 20

Philippines = 17

Japanese = 10

Cambodian = 8

Indian = 4

 

TAT over to you.

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On 5/29/2020 at 6:39 PM, Blumpie said:

It's not just tourism - it's the manufacturing sector, et all.  Thailand is getting hammered from all ends, but the worst is tourism, which is 11 percent but experts have said it's 15 percent GDP not including 5 percent GDP spinoff.  

 

They are really trying to spin this story and get people not too worried.  There will be no tourism this year.  

January through March, there was tourism.  July through December there will be tourism.  Your statement about "no tourism this year" is false.  Economic fearmongers abound on this thread, don't feel bad, believe it or not the world survives with or without our "predictions"

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I'd struggle to believe these numbers are much different to most other countries,

 

So as I've said before, you are going to need a serious rebound in domestic air travel before anyone is going to spend hours and hours on a plane to BKK.

 

Also for a lot of folks with this whole lockdown thing, have really been hurt financially, including the much vaunted Chinese tourists, who I'd wager haven't received a fraction of the financial support most Western countries have doled out.

 

So it's gonna take a while until things rebound, and I sincerely doubt it's in 2020

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7 hours ago, ChipButty said:

I'm all for that getting sick of this Corona nonsense 

Got to admit I am as well.

Even if I'm in the 'bracket' for it bumping me off it all seems to be getting a bit much.

 Try to keep the infection rate down by social distancing in eg restaurants, some counties 1 metre others 2 metres. Does the server throw the food onto the table from the required distance etc. ???? If you skip on the bill can they chase you but stay 2 metres away shouting stop thief.

This bug is never going to go away so how long is the 'long-haul' to keep your distance?

For me the whole total panic thing started when it kicked off in China and they, hospitals, had no idea what they were dealing with and how to deal with it. They just let people cram into the hospitals in their hundreds/thousands just like big incubators. OK, the last goes against my arguement for relaxing social distancing I know but the lockdowns were/are a bit heavy..

Should we just 19 run its course? Should we take the finger off the panic button?

Is there more to this virus that is still being kept quiet?

Just my disconnectd jottings and confusion over the whole thing.

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