Attack on Taiwan an option to stop independence, top China general says

[Heppinger]

18 minutes ago, ukrules said:

A war is about to happen

Or rumors of war.

[Brunolem]

19 minutes ago, ukrules said:

A war is about to happen, it just needs a good excuse to kick it off. Taiwan is merely the excuse.

It's the 1930s all over again, but accelerated, because nowadays everything goes much faster.

 

First, a decade of financial excess (the 1920s and the 2010s), then a depression leading into an economic dead end, then a war to wipe the slate clean...

Edited May 29, 2020 by Brunolem

[ThailandRyan]

4 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

It's the 1930s all over again, but accelerated, because nowadays everything goes much faster.

 

First, a decade of financial excess (the 1920s and the 2010s, then a depression leading into an economic dead end, then a war to wipe the slate clean...

What was the saying:

 

"Wag the dog"

 

which in essence means: To distract attention away from a political scandal, often through military action.

[Heppinger]

2 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

What was the saying:

 

"Wag the dog"

 

which in essence means: To distract attention away from a political scandal, often through military action.

like a white house sex scandal to cover up for a dirty little war.

[ThailandRyan]

2 minutes ago, Heppinger said:

like a white house sex scandal to cover up for a dirty little war.

So tell me what the China scandal was or is....

[brucec64]

2 hours ago, robblok said:

I doubt the USA or any other country will stand against China for Taiwan. There is no oil there or other things the US can use. Also its not an easy victory for the US (they would probably give up after losing too many people). Nuclear attack.. highly doubt it again. In the end Taiwan will just be Chinese.

 

I wish it were different but dont think anyone will help or is able to help. The Chinese have all the advantages.

Taiwan has a very important geographical purpose. It's one of the only things stopping China from taking over access and control of the entire South China Sea.

Edited May 29, 2020 by brucec64

[ChouDoufu]

1 minute ago, Heppinger said:

like a white house sex scandal to cover up for a dirty little war.

yes, exactly.  or to divert the public's attention from 100,000 dead this memorial day, perhaps 150,000 by labor day. 

 

we're in the middle of an election cycle, and the reality teevee buffoon is obsessed with ratings.  nothing better than a good old-fashioned war for a president's numbers.  (providing you don't start it too soon!)

 

trump is not one to study history, nor to heed the advice from his advisors.  (unless of course he's nudged by the appropriate donors.)  he thinks he can bully the chinese like he does the syrians or venezualans or the iranians.  he has no idea what taiwan means to the leaders in beijing, or what they may be willing to sacrifice to keep it.

 

 

[Heppinger]

4 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

he has no idea what taiwan means to the leaders in beijing,

I would be surprised if he knows what day it is.

 

5 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

or what they may be willing to sacrifice to keep it.

Life holds little value in China so not really a sacrifice if your talking about troops.  

Though China can't even make baby formula so i find it hard to believe they are capable of invasion and annexation.  

[mistral53]

Right - if that's the plan, the Chinese will first loudly advertise their intention. Also, the point and date where it all starts........lol

Its all just theater for the hoi polloi, keeps them busy arguing among themselves while under lock down. Most of what is said in public is theater - just ask the clown in the WH.

[from the home of CC]

2 hours ago, robblok said:

I doubt the USA or any other country will stand against China for Taiwan. There is no oil there or other things the US can use. Also its not an easy victory for the US (they would probably give up after losing too many people). Nuclear attack.. highly doubt it again. In the end Taiwan will just be Chinese.

 

I wish it were different but dont think anyone will help or is able to help. The Chinese have all the advantages.

the Chinese if needed will sacrifice millions for victory, the US would not unless directly attacked and if that was the case it's game over for the world anyway (goodbye Greta)...

[ChouDoufu]

40 minutes ago, Heppinger said:

I would be surprised if he knows what day it is.

 

Life holds little value in China so not really a sacrifice if your talking about troops.  

Though China can't even make baby formula so i find it hard to believe they are capable of invasion and annexation.  

 

that is exactly the kind of thinking by a fool commander in chief that could result in millions more dead.

 

once you've convinced yourself "they" don't value life and are too stupid to function...........

Edited May 29, 2020 by blackcab
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[holy cow cm]

There is huge anti China and Chinese sentiment going on now. I give it 50/50 to escalate, especially with a hard core Chinese General spouting off. For me I say go ahead and bloody China’s nose so they back off of Taiwan and the South China Sea. I am still very angry at them taking Tibet. Stop them now or it will never happen. 

Edited May 29, 2020 by holy cow cm

[Heppinger]

3 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

that is exactly the kind of thinking by a fool commander in chief that could result in millions more dead.

While intel was manufacturing the worlds first CPU, China was still recovering from a famine which killed around 20 million and caused wide spread cannibalism.  Henry Kissinger over saw the agenda to move Americas manufacturing over to China.  China cant design code or have the IP to make CPU's, their military will always be behind.

[ukrules]

Even Trumps getting in on the act, here's one of his Tweets from a short while ago :

 

 

????

[Heppinger]

 

22 minutes ago, from the home of CC said:

the Chinese if needed will sacrifice millions for victory, the US would not unless directly attacked and if that was the case it's game over for the world anyway (goodbye Greta)...

They are certainly sacrificing hardware.  They have had at least four  j-15 crashes in the past year with one pilot death.  And a major fire on an assault carrier.  Just let them keep playing with their sh*t heaps, i'm sure they will realize that developing stereo's and fishing rods is more their style.

[Odysseus123]

Always great to talk up a war in the middle of the big Corona.

 

Who are we at war with today-Eurasia..Eastasia?

 

It can't be Oceania coz that' us! (I think..but i'll have to check that up on twitter or youtube)

[Heppinger]

52 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

 

that is exactly the kind of thinking by a fool commander in chief that could result in millions more dead.

 

once you've convinced yourself "they" don't value life and are too stupid to function...........

Your understanding of China, its culture, abilities and scope of power is weak.  And your upset i have pointed that out.  Try research rather then fantasies.

[daveAustin]

They're making a move, though the timing smacks of opportunist COVID deflection. Let's be clear, this is not the Chinese. It is a despotic, out of touch pissant a-hole of an authoritarian club - utterly hated by the normal people - that needs its head removing for the betterment of the human race. Folk like to talk-up the power of the Chinese army etc, but they have no experience and would be a damp squib when it comes to it. The world should line up behind Taiwan and HK. If the nukes fly, have at it. 

[misterjames]

2 minutes ago, daveAustin said:

Folk like to talk-up the power of the Chinese army etc, but they have no experience and would be a damp squib when it comes to it. The world should line up behind Taiwan and HK. If the nukes fly, have at it. 

Exactly it won't just be the US army they have to face is they carry on there will be a coalition they are treading on thin ice already.

[Heppinger]

1 minute ago, misterjames said:

Exactly it won't just be the US army they have to face is they carry on there will be a coalition they are treading on thin ice already.

A combined effort from Australia and New Zealand would be enough to ground their sh^tty jets and sink their ex-soviet rust bucket of a carrier.

[Heppinger]

4 minutes ago, misterjames said:

Exactly it won't just be the US army they have to face is they carry on there will be a coalition they are treading on thin ice already.

Only problem is, the world order was established with the result of ww2.  China is playing their role in globalism, they spew their tough talk not to scare other nations, but to remind their 1.4 billion peoples that they are tough, ready and not affraid to fight.  The Billionaire Commies are scared stiff of losing control of their massive population and must constantly remind them they are fierce and the legitimate leadership.

[Travis179]

7 hours ago, robblok said:

If you know so well don't you understand how hard it would be for the US to defend Taiwan ? Plus the US not that willing to have dead soldiers. This is not a fight against an enemy they can easily beat. This is a fight against an army that has far more people and also has the technology and its supply bases lie far closer then those of the US. 

 

No one in their right mind would start this fight and if its started the US populace will quickly demand a retreat when the death toll starts to mount. The US is good in fighting enemies that are weak not an against opponents that can actually put up a fight. 

You must be a huge fan of Neville Chamberlain. He thought like you too.

[Heppinger]

7 hours ago, robblok said:

This is a fight against an army that has far more people and also has the technology and its supply bases lie far closer then those of the US. 

AC-130 gunship for the "far more people", and the tech you talk about is fairy tales. as China relies on American made CPU's to put in their sub standard jets, probably explains why they keep crashing, due to America giving them out dated CPU's that fail quality control.

Edited May 29, 2020 by Heppinger

[Odysseus123]

6 hours ago, ukrules said:

Even Trumps getting in on the act, here's one of his Tweets from a short while ago :

 

 

????

Well..he's always getting into the act..hardly "golly-gosh" territory is it?

[PatOngo]

Seventy one years and they (the Chinese) still haven't grown the nuts to do it! The Taiwanese paranoia was quite evident though when I worked there in 2005. 

[Heppinger]

Just now, Odysseus123 said:

Awesome!

So you maniacally post on the 'Stuffed Toys' forum too?

Thank you yes it is awesome, it will be full of pictures and pop ups, your going to love it.

[Odysseus123]

1 hour ago, daveAustin said:

Let's be clear, this is not the Chinese. It is a despotic, out of touch pissant a-hole of an authoritarian club - utterly hated by the normal people.

 

This was,in point of fact,the chief plank of the German Wehrmacht on the 22 of June 1941."One kick and the whole rotten edifice would come tumbling down.."

 

Unfortunately they were somewhat optimistic in their calculations..well,totally wrong,really.

 

 

 

[Creasy]

It a logistical nightmare.

Let them have their way.

It’s too hard.

 

lololololololol

 

 

[Odysseus123]

3 minutes ago, Creasy said:

It a logistical nightmare.

Let them have their way.

It’s too hard.

 

lololololololol

 

 

It has been well noted that post 1945 large states do not fight others of similar status-tho' middle ranking states such as India/Pakistan sometimes do but with diminishing intensity.

Most wars involving the West have been either proxy wars or colonial adventures-most of which came to a rather sticky end..witness Vietnam,Iraq and Afghanistan (twice)

Stephen Pinker in 'The Better Angels of Our Nature' explains all this rather well.Of course it's a book and not a youtube video..

 

Hopefully wiser and cooler heads will prevail over the next few months and we can get back to re-constructing our post-covid world.I am very sure that most sane people would agree that that should be our goal.

[sqwakvfr]

Ever wonder why the US Military spent so much money and time developing Stealth Aircraft(B-2 Bomber, F-22 and F-35 Fighter/Attack)? It was not to fight terrorists.  It is to drop bombs inside of Beijing and/or Moscow during the middle night.  They Chinese would have no idea what hit them.  The Chinese fear a stealth bomb attack more than anything else.  

 

A blatant military attack on Taiwan would cause a direct response from the US.  Tom Clancy wrote a book on a scenario where China invades Taiwan and the US responds.  Battle Scenarios are already in place for this contingency.