rooster59 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Fatality risk high for smokers infected with Covid-19 By THE NATION Smokers who contract Covid-19 are likely to have 14 times more severe conditions compared to non-smokers, raising the the risk of fatality, a doctor has warned. Dr Manas Phothaporn, deputy director-general of the Department of Medical Services, said that smoking is one of the major public health problems as more than 1.68 billion people worldwide are addicted to nicotine in cigarettes. “More than 10 million people die because of smoking each year as cigarettes are the cause of more than 25 diseases including cancer, heart diseases and pulmonary emphysema. “The World Health Organization has declared May 31 as "World No Tobacco Day" to emphasise the dangers of smoking, especially this year when the Covid-19 outbreak has hit nearly every country in the world,” added Manas. “Smokers who contract the new coronavirus are likely to suffer from up to 14 times more severe conditions than the normal person. The pneumonia alone caused by Covid-19 could result in death as smoking will lower the body’s immune system and damage the lungs. “Quitting smoking will help restore the smokers’ immune system as well as reduce the inflammation in lung tissues, not to mention it will help save money during the economic crisis that many countries are facing,” he added. The Princess Mother National Institute on Drug Abuse Treatment under the Department of Medical Science has organised the World No Tobacco Day Week during the last week of May at the institute in Pathum Thani. The event features exhibitions on the dangers of smoking as well as booths providing advice on how to effectively quit smoking. Interested persons can visit the event or call the Quit Smoking hotline at 1165. For more information, visit: www.pmindat.go.th Source: https://www.nationthailand.com/news/30388783 -- © Copyright The Nation Thailand 2020-05-30 - Whatever you're going through, the Samaritans are here for you - Follow Thaivisa on LINE for breaking COVID-19 updates 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DirtyHarry55 Posted May 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2020 In France a study found Smokers are less likely to contract COVID-19 possibly due to the Nicotine now France totally sold out of Nicotine patches.Smokers seem less likely than non-smokers to fall ill with covid-19https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2020/05/02/smokers-seem-less-likely-than-non-smokers-to-fall-ill-with-covid-19 But yes sure quit smoking is a good idea but I wouldn't use COVID19 as an argument. Coronavirus and smoking: What does the World Health Organization say? https://www.euronews.com/2020/05/07/covid-19-and-smoking-what-does-the-who-say 2 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bkk6060 Posted May 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2020 I don´t see how long time smokers would have much of a chance against this respiratory virus. On another note, This Dr. Manas looks pretty fat to me maybe he should take a risk assessment of himself. 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post khunPer Posted May 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2020 1 hour ago, rooster59 said: “Smokers who contract the new coronavirus are likely to suffer from up to 14 times more severe conditions than the normal person. The pneumonia alone caused by Covid-19 could result in death as smoking will lower the body’s immune system and damage the lungs. Actually scientific studies has shown that smokers are less likely to get Covid-19, it seems like nicotine blocks for the coronavirus... ???? However, as usual not all scientists agree...???? Links: Econimist "Smokers seem less likely than non-smokers to fall ill with covid-19" DW "Does nicotine help against the new coronavirus?" Qeios "Low rate of daily active tobacco smoking in patients with symptomatic COVID-19" Morocco World News "French Doctor Suggests Smoking May Protect Against COVID-19 Infection" 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Emdog Posted May 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2020 You guys beat me to it. Well done. Note this expert seems to have pulled his stats from his backside, as he cites no sites 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post phantomfiddler Posted May 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2020 If there does actually exist a situation where less smokers are dying from Covid, it would probably be related to most of them having previously died from lung cancer ???? Maybe exhumations are required to check whether the corpses acquired Covid while buried. Meanwhile in Italy doctors are saying that a blood clotting bacteria was responsible for all the deaths, but one thing we can all be sure of. The older you get and the worse physical shape you are in, the more likely you are to depart this mortal coil ! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4MyEgo Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, phantomfiddler said: Meanwhile in Italy doctors are saying that a blood clotting bacteria was responsible for all the deaths Would it be wise for most of the elderly to be on Aspirin if not already on Aspirin so as to thin the blood, therefore possibly reducing clotting ? I'm no doctor, but I do know aspirin does reduce the likelihood of clotting, just saying. Edited May 30, 2020 by 4MyEgo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mac98 Posted May 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2020 U.S. stats show one in 10 diabetic COVID patients die of the disease. Raise taxes on food! Throw covers over fat people so children won't see them. Also, smoking reduces stress, one of the biggest killers in modern society. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utalkin2me Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 7 hours ago, DirtyHarry55 said: In France a study found Smokers are less likely to contract COVID-19 possibly due to the Nicotine now France totally sold out of Nicotine patches.Smokers seem less likely than non-smokers to fall ill with covid-19https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2020/05/02/smokers-seem-less-likely-than-non-smokers-to-fall-ill-with-covid-19 But yes sure quit smoking is a good idea but I wouldn't use COVID19 as an argument. Coronavirus and smoking: What does the World Health Organization say? https://www.euronews.com/2020/05/07/covid-19-and-smoking-what-does-the-who-say All other things being equal, and a chain smoker and a non smoker get covid. And the smoker's chances are better? I don't think so. But it is interesting they found that. Could very well be true i suppose. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger70 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 8 hours ago, rooster59 said: Fatality risk high for smokers infected with Covid-19 Proof it, You Can't. Fake News. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paiman Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Governments enjoy the tobacco revenue. Obviously a higher priority then health. Otherwise smoking would be banned. Make your own opinion how COVID fits in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knocker33 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Ban smoking instead of booze then. Sorted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Diddl Posted May 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2020 It's always about smoking and smokers but to talk about industrial pollution is taboo because there is big, big money in companies causing the real problem. And now carbon dioxide is big on the agenda so I suppose everyone will have to stop breathing before real pollution is talked about. Long gone is honesty, only big money can sway opinions. Tolerance is also out the window and only beliefs and heresay with no genuine backup in most cases are important. I remember living in a world where most people were honest and tolerant of others but now it is all about “do as I say” and of course “believe what I tell you to believe”. As I see and hear what living amongst people has become today, I will be glad when my days are over and I can go elsewhere in this universe. Oh, and one more thing, don't forget intolerance when it comes to religious beliefs that are not yours!!! Let's just forget that we were once human beings and now divide people into what is acceptable and not acceptable according to what we want or don't want. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torturedsole Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 To add to the mix [David Hockney]: https://observer.com/2020/04/david-hockney-smoking-coronavirus-immunity-theory/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike787 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Versus low! hmm...wow! Ok. I still need a cig...I don't care low or high...I'm all in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGW Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 10 hours ago, 4MyEgo said: I'm no doctor, but I do know aspirin does reduce the likelihood of clotting, just saying. Companies that manufacture aspirin have huge budgets "Garlic is as useful as a blood thinner as aspirin, minus the side-effects. With its blood-thinning potential, it can increase blood flow and prevent heart conditions like atherosclerosis, high cholesterol, and high blood pressure" Just saying................... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemonltr Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Yesterday looked at Dr. John Campbell YouTube site. He read results of a large scientific survey on smoking/covid which said that smokers had a 14% greater chance of serious complications. Looks like Dr Manas read it as 14 Times not %. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunBENQ Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 On 5/30/2020 at 10:50 AM, DirtyHarry55 said: In France a study found Smokers are less likely to contract COVID-19 possibly due to the Nicotine now France totally sold out of Nicotine patches. If only I had counted how often I read "higher risk for smokers" vs. "lower risk for smokers". In total the headlines I have seen must be in the double digit range. Thanks for the "news" Mr. Phothaporn. Just another proof how little they really know about the new virus. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommysboy Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 On 5/30/2020 at 2:50 PM, phantomfiddler said: If there does actually exist a situation where less smokers are dying from Covid, it would probably be related to most of them having previously died from lung cancer ???? Maybe exhumations are required to check whether the corpses acquired Covid while buried. Meanwhile in Italy doctors are saying that a blood clotting bacteria was responsible for all the deaths, but one thing we can all be sure of. The older you get and the worse physical shape you are in, the more likely you are to depart this mortal coil ! At first, the data was thought to be messy, but it genuinely seems to be the case that smokers are under-represented on the covid wards by a considerable percentage. Perhaps it is more believable when we distinguish nicotine from smoking, the latter of course being hazardous. I wonder too if there is not a more simple explanation: it might be that smokers tend to be slimmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatrickid Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 On 5/29/2020 at 11:50 PM, DirtyHarry55 said: In France a study found Smokers are less likely to contract COVID-19 possibly due to the Nicotine now France totally sold out of Nicotine patches.Smokers seem less likely than non-smokers to fall ill with covid-19https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2020/05/02/smokers-seem-less-likely-than-non-smokers-to-fall-ill-with-covid-19 But yes sure quit smoking is a good idea but I wouldn't use COVID19 as an argument. it was NOT a study. The statement was based upon observations at Pitié-Salpêtrière hospital This is a large teaching hospital that has a specific patient group. It's patient grouping is primarily younger patients, i.e. the elderly patients are at different facilities. There are other demographic factors involved such as physical condition. Not stated are concurrent conditions such as pre-existing chronic conditions or obesity etc. In plain language, if I have 100 patients, average age under 50, and most physically fit, their characteristics and response to a disease will be different than if I have a patient group with an average age of 60+ and who have a range of illnesses including dementia, kidney disease, pulmonary disease etc. The hospital physicians EMPHASIZED that smoking was harmful. The observations were in respect to the possibility that tobacco may have an ingredient that has an impact. Note that in France, older smokers tend to be thin and obesity is not as prevalent as in other countries. The actual published studies do show that smokers are more at risk from complications and death than non smokers. On 5/30/2020 at 12:58 AM, khunPer said: Actually scientific studies has shown that smokers are less likely to get Covid-19, it seems like nicotine blocks for the coronavirus... ???? However, as usual not all scientists agree...???? Links: Econimist "Smokers seem less likely than non-smokers to fall ill with covid-19" DW "Does nicotine help against the new coronavirus?" Qeios "Low rate of daily active tobacco smoking in patients with symptomatic COVID-19" Morocco World News "French Doctor Suggests Smoking May Protect Against COVID-19 Infection" No credible scientist has stated that smokers are less likely to become infected. All of the articles supporting the benefit of smoking link back to one report of OBSERVATIONS suggesting that tobacco may have properties which impact infection. On 5/30/2020 at 4:02 AM, 4MyEgo said: Would it be wise for most of the elderly to be on Aspirin if not already on Aspirin so as to thin the blood, therefore possibly reducing clotting ? I'm no doctor, but I do know aspirin does reduce the likelihood of clotting, just saying. Aspirin is a very potent drug. It offers no benefit to healthy adults. NONE. This is based on multiple clinical trials involving tens of thousands of patients over many years. Apsirin has a decreasing benefit for heart disease patients. (Decreasing because the benefits are less significant in older patients.) Aspirin can result in increased bleeding tendencies in elderly patients, which is why we see so many of them with the significant bruising discolouration on their hands and limbs. Older patients on aspirin can have serious bleeding episodes which is why the dosing can sometimes be reduced to an every 2nd day regimen in some patients. It's also a drug that in long term cardiac patients, if stopped suddenly can result in a cardiac crisis. On 5/30/2020 at 7:28 AM, Mac98 said: U.S. stats show one in 10 diabetic COVID patients die of the disease. Raise taxes on food! Throw covers over fat people so children won't see them. Also, smoking reduces stress, one of the biggest killers in modern society. The diabetic patients are usually diabetic because of their morbid obesity. Such people have weakened immune systems. Smoking does not reduce stress. It gives the impression that it does, but the physiological effect is to cause stress because of its impact upon blood pressure and the carbon monoxide competition for oxygen. Smokers are a source of stress for everyone around them so I do agree with you that they should be eliminated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali farong Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 He states that over 10 million people die due to smoking each year. and the world locked down for how many Covid. Sumpin ain’t right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4MyEgo Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 7 hours ago, geriatrickid said: Aspirin is a very potent drug. It offers no benefit to healthy adults. NONE. This is based on multiple clinical trials involving tens of thousands of patients over many years. Apsirin has a decreasing benefit for heart disease patients. (Decreasing because the benefits are less significant in older patients.) Aspirin can result in increased bleeding tendencies in elderly patients, which is why we see so many of them with the significant bruising discolouration on their hands and limbs. Older patients on aspirin can have serious bleeding episodes which is why the dosing can sometimes be reduced to an every 2nd day regimen in some patients. It's also a drug that in long term cardiac patients, if stopped suddenly can result in a cardiac crisis. Everything comes at a price, if aspirin reduces the likelihood of blood clotting, and assists the elderly in reducing their chances of dying from blood clotting from Covid-19 and extends their lives persa, then I would go on it, suffice to say I take one coated aspirin a day to prevent my blood clotting as I had a heart attack when I was 47 years of age and had a stent inserted into one of my arteries. As te cardiologist said to me, clots don't discriminate and age has nothing to do with it. I have come off aspiring a couple of times for a week at a time so that I could get a tooth extracted, or go under the knife under a general anasthetic, all good except for the expression on the dentists face when he removed my tooth, I though he was going to have a heart attack until he plugged the leak....lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebell Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 Everybody is a smoker in Thailand whether you choose to be or not; it's not just in the burning season but traffic pollution all year round. Then your neighbours and wats burning their rubbish; on every street corner chickens marinading in carbon monoxide on smoking barbecues; don't forget unserviced diesels ignored by police. I am sure when proper stats are revealed (in fifty years time) they will show more deaths annually from pollution than traffic fatalities AND Covid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommysboy Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, geriatrickid said: it was NOT a study. The statement was based upon observations at Pitié-Salpêtrière hospital This is a large teaching hospital that has a specific patient group. It's patient grouping is primarily younger patients, i.e. the elderly patients are at different facilities. There are other demographic factors involved such as physical condition. Not stated are concurrent conditions such as pre-existing chronic conditions or obesity etc. In plain language, if I have 100 patients, average age under 50, and most physically fit, their characteristics and response to a disease will be different than if I have a patient group with an average age of 60+ and who have a range of illnesses including dementia, kidney disease, pulmonary disease etc. The hospital physicians EMPHASIZED that smoking was harmful. The observations were in respect to the possibility that tobacco may have an ingredient that has an impact. Note that in France, older smokers tend to be thin and obesity is not as prevalent as in other countries. The actual published studies do show that smokers are more at risk from complications and death than non smokers. No credible scientist has stated that smokers are less likely to become infected. All of the articles supporting the benefit of smoking link back to one report of OBSERVATIONS suggesting that tobacco may have properties which impact infection. Aspirin is a very potent drug. It offers no benefit to healthy adults. NONE. This is based on multiple clinical trials involving tens of thousands of patients over many years. Apsirin has a decreasing benefit for heart disease patients. (Decreasing because the benefits are less significant in older patients.) Aspirin can result in increased bleeding tendencies in elderly patients, which is why we see so many of them with the significant bruising discolouration on their hands and limbs. Older patients on aspirin can have serious bleeding episodes which is why the dosing can sometimes be reduced to an every 2nd day regimen in some patients. It's also a drug that in long term cardiac patients, if stopped suddenly can result in a cardiac crisis. The diabetic patients are usually diabetic because of their morbid obesity. Such people have weakened immune systems. Smoking does not reduce stress. It gives the impression that it does, but the physiological effect is to cause stress because of its impact upon blood pressure and the carbon monoxide competition for oxygen. Smokers are a source of stress for everyone around them so I do agree with you that they should be eliminated. Quite definitely, in all population samples in China, France, Italy, and USA, smokers are significantly under-represented, leading to questions as to whether nicotine may be exercising some protective effect. It may be that smoking, due to it's general toxicity, is acting as an immune suppressant, which in the case of covid19 only may be no bad thing. Or of course that smokers tend to be thinner. However, there are reasonable hypotheses that nicotine is locking out covid-19 possibly in ACE2 inhibitor cells. Edited June 1, 2020 by mommysboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shy coconut Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 I have smoked for over 40 years, although haven't had a drag since just before the lockdown in the UK. To negate the urge I have been taking a few nicotine lozenges a day. Given the odd theories I have read here, I may well be super immune to this virus!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommysboy Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 1 hour ago, shy coconut said: I have smoked for over 40 years, although haven't had a drag since just before the lockdown in the UK. To negate the urge I have been taking a few nicotine lozenges a day. Given the odd theories I have read here, I may well be super immune to this virus!!!!! 'Given the odd theories I have read here, I may well be super immune to this virus!!!!!' Yes the raw data seems to suggest that is the case. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khunPer Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 12 hours ago, geriatrickid said: No credible scientist has stated that smokers are less likely to become infected. All of the articles supporting the benefit of smoking link back to one report of OBSERVATIONS suggesting that tobacco may have properties which impact infection. You might call it "observations", the quoted articles calls it "study" – and I commented »However, as usual not all scientists agree...????« Concerning your comments about Aspirin, may I kindly suggest you read some later scientific reports. Aspirin in "hearth tablet" dose, circa 80 mg a day, has shown to be a very potent cancer protection – for example it reduce esophageal cancer by 60 percent, colon cancer by 40 percent, and lung cancer by 30 percent – and with no serious side effects from internal bleeding risk. There is an short overview here: New Scientist "Aspirin, the cancer wonder drug"...???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khunPer Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 7 minutes ago, mommysboy said: 'Given the odd theories I have read here, I may well be super immune to this virus!!!!!' Yes the raw data seems to suggest that is the case. Perhaps – in the crystal bright light of hindsight – I should regret that I gave up smoking...???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overherebc Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 On 5/30/2020 at 3:02 PM, 4MyEgo said: Would it be wise for most of the elderly to be on Aspirin if not already on Aspirin so as to thin the blood, therefore possibly reducing clotting ? I'm no doctor, but I do know aspirin does reduce the likelihood of clotting, just saying. For the Med' area there is also sickle cell disease that reduces red blood cell numbers so thinning the blood might not be a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overherebc Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 On 5/31/2020 at 11:53 PM, geriatrickid said: it was NOT a study. The statement was based upon observations at Pitié-Salpêtrière hospital This is a large teaching hospital that has a specific patient group. It's patient grouping is primarily younger patients, i.e. the elderly patients are at different facilities. There are other demographic factors involved such as physical condition. Not stated are concurrent conditions such as pre-existing chronic conditions or obesity etc. In plain language, if I have 100 patients, average age under 50, and most physically fit, their characteristics and response to a disease will be different than if I have a patient group with an average age of 60+ and who have a range of illnesses including dementia, kidney disease, pulmonary disease etc. The hospital physicians EMPHASIZED that smoking was harmful. The observations were in respect to the possibility that tobacco may have an ingredient that has an impact. Note that in France, older smokers tend to be thin and obesity is not as prevalent as in other countries. The actual published studies do show that smokers are more at risk from complications and death than non smokers. No credible scientist has stated that smokers are less likely to become infected. All of the articles supporting the benefit of smoking link back to one report of OBSERVATIONS suggesting that tobacco may have properties which impact infection. Aspirin is a very potent drug. It offers no benefit to healthy adults. NONE. This is based on multiple clinical trials involving tens of thousands of patients over many years. Apsirin has a decreasing benefit for heart disease patients. (Decreasing because the benefits are less significant in older patients.) Aspirin can result in increased bleeding tendencies in elderly patients, which is why we see so many of them with the significant bruising discolouration on their hands and limbs. Older patients on aspirin can have serious bleeding episodes which is why the dosing can sometimes be reduced to an every 2nd day regimen in some patients. It's also a drug that in long term cardiac patients, if stopped suddenly can result in a cardiac crisis. The diabetic patients are usually diabetic because of their morbid obesity. Such people have weakened immune systems. Smoking does not reduce stress. It gives the impression that it does, but the physiological effect is to cause stress because of its impact upon blood pressure and the carbon monoxide competition for oxygen. Smokers are a source of stress for everyone around them so I do agree with you that they should be eliminated. You should really define eliminated. ???????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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