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3 minutes ago, flinc2020 said:

Move to China then. I taught at a College and a Uni in China and in both places it was widely known that Chinese tutors were involved with their students. (At the college one of my female students admitted privately that she had slept with one of her tutors to improve her grade. Apparently it was a common practice where he was concerned.) When I left the Uni an ex student of mine invited me out with a few other ex students for a farewell drink where I was introduced to a 2nd year student and her boyfriend who she lived with in his university campus apartment. He was her (Chinese) English teacher!

Can I have the contact details please. I feel a desperate need to teach Chinese girls coming on.  

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3 hours ago, kenk24 said:

what makes you think that retirees live well... both here and at home, most/many barely have enough income to survive

What an absolute load of tosh. The majority of retirees I know live reasonably well, but within their means, both here and in UK.

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1 hour ago, Caldera said:

I'd PAY for getting a job at a Thai university, just for the eye candy. Then again, I don't need the money and could use something to do in the mornings, so I might not be their typical potential candidate.

University canteen and coffee shops are open to everyone with money.

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I was offered a position at a famous BKK uni. At least a Master's or PhD preferred. Only 40k. I really couldn't understand it, with the cost of BKK living, and what such degrees cost me to get.

 

There is another famous BKK uni, with a private secondary school they run inside for their student teachers, offering 70k. I applied, but am sure their doors were beat down.

 

Ah, when I first got to Thailand I hit the dating sites and tried some 20-something uni students. I soon found they lack development comparable to Western levels, both mentally and physically.

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4 hours ago, stouricks said:

What an absolute load of tosh.

Yeah, it is not just about your friends... I have friends who have major fortunes, but in USA I don't recall the figure, but something near 90% of all people outlive their funds... many many cant afford their meds and have to choose between meds and food... their SS benefits don't raise them above poverty levels... 

 

poke your head out from your own load of "tosh" and see what is going on for the other 90%... 

 

I am fine, most of my friends are doing ok - - but it doesn't mean that others are too... 

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Pay in UK Universities fluctuates a lot. There are different pay scales, but an unqualified lecturer can earn as little as 1700 GBP per month - if you are qualified, up to about 3,000 GBP a month. There are of course, higher rates for different specialists so you CAN earn a lot more with the right experience.

So some lecturers do earn less than teachers, But on average earn slightly more. But about 75% of lecturers do not have tenure these days.

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The pay in Thailand is atrocious. These days you might also be required to stay on campus 8-4.30.  

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I was offered up to 104k to take four classes which is twelve hours a week at that famous Bangkok uni named after a favorite king. Passed the grammar and writing. Was into second round of interviews but pulled out. I'm pretty much making that now. I'm doing 18 hours a week but I'm tired of jumping schools. Don't fancy huge classes again although the possibility of teaching so many of my former students was appealing. 6Didn't want to proofread theses for free. BTW I was 58 when they contacted me so all this rubbish about schools not wanting older teachers. It's not the age - it's you. I'm renewing again this year.

 

Srinkarinwirot just posted a job for 65k unfortunately 24 hours and a bunch of vague unpaid assistance to department.

 

I think there's snob appeal teaching at universities but I'd much rather teach at a top secondary than some laff rajabhat. There's only about twenty five unis I'd even consider. After that I'd be embarrassed because we all know how <deleted> the pay is. These lazy teachers often counter it by not doing much of anything. It's Thailand no surprise. Always truly amazes me teachers that can't work a full day, say 700-330 or whatever. What else do you have going on living in a foreign country that is so important except running home to teach online. How pathetic.

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I taught at a Rajabhat back in the very early 90's when the pay was terrible.  Salary of 13,5xx and a housing allowance of 8,000 per month.  In 1994 or 95 a government issued raise increased the salary to 17,5xx plus the 8,000 for a grand total of 25,5xx per month.  In 1996 I left and went to a very good government uni in northern BKK.  The pay was exactly the same but the conditions were much better.  A/C in classrooms and office and the students were a bit better academically speaking.  Teaching classes in the evening for an extra 700 baht an hour at the uni.  Costs were lower back then but I feel the salaries have not kept up with inflation.  I wouldn't suggest teaching in Thailand unless you were a certified retired teacher from the west and could teach at one of the big three international schools in BKK that cater to western expat families and follow British, American, or Aussie  curriculums. 

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They have special exemptions in the laws to make sure foreign teachers can be paid much less than a normal job.

 

Pay peanuts, get monkeys.....simple.

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Earlier it was mentioned about pay of teachers in the west and how low it was.  In the US it depends on the area you are teaching in.  It does vary widely by State and school district.  I know of a number of school districts in the outlying suburbs of Seattle where a teacher with a master's degree and 15 years of experience can be paid between $115,000 to $124,000 a year plus all of the usual benefits such as medical, retirement, vacation, holidays, etc.  There's also extra pay for other assignments including coaching sports.  Retirement is based on 2% for each year served.  Standard retirement is 30 years at 2% per year.  That equals 60% of your salary based upon your five highest consecutive years.  At $124,000 that works out to $74,400 a year.  Let's say you started work as a teacher at age 25.  You could then retire at age 55 on $74,400 a year.  You could even wait until age 60 and retire on $86,800 a year.  This doesn't even take into consideration social security which you become eligible for at age 62.  This is why I said in my earlier post retire first and then come to teach in Thailand at a bigger international school.  

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On ‎5‎/‎31‎/‎2020 at 5:30 PM, BritManToo said:

University salaries are generally lower than High school salaries all over the world.

It's perfectly normal.

 

 

What a joke, where did you teach?

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11 hours ago, ukrules said:

They have special exemptions in the laws to make sure foreign teachers can be paid much less than a normal job.

 

Pay peanuts, get monkeys.....simple.

Actually the University jobs pay the same for Thai and Foreign teachers. 

 

At Primary and Secondary schools Foreign teachers have much higher salaries than the Thai teachers.  When you compare teachers with comparable experience the Foreigners usually start at at least 30K, often 40K, while new Thai teachers usually start at 15K.  As a Foreign department head, I earn more than twice as much as a Thai department head (I accidentally saw the salary list once).

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On 6/3/2020 at 11:52 AM, otherstuff1957 said:

Actually the University jobs pay the same for Thai and Foreign teachers. 

 

At Primary and Secondary schools Foreign teachers have much higher salaries than the Thai teachers.  When you compare teachers with comparable experience the Foreigners usually start at at least 30K, often 40K, while new Thai teachers usually start at 15K.  As a Foreign department head, I earn more than twice as much as a Thai department head (I accidentally saw the salary list once).

Thai government civil servants (in universities) are on a pay scale with salaries increasing every 6 months and also with their ranking. Most senior civil servants are earning a lot more than the foreign English teacher that is employed by their departments (let's say 25-35K or whatever it may be these days.)

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