nirocool Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Good afternoon, I am a single father of a Thai nation (have a full custody document issued by a local court ). I can apply based on humanity reasons after full 3 years extension. One thing is still unclear do I need to have job in Thailand or income from aboard is fine? Or the main interest is getting TAX? If yes, can the TAX be paid from overseas income? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nirocool Posted May 31, 2020 Author Share Posted May 31, 2020 As well doubt about PR fees it will be 191400 or 95700. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malawi Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 You need to be working in Thailand and paying income tax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 You have to have a work permit and be working for 3 consecutive years on an extension of stay to apply. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanangBanaHills57 Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 3 hours ago, ubonjoe said: You have to have a work permit and be working for 3 consecutive years on an extension of stay to apply. Don't think this is correct. 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ubonjoe Posted June 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2020 15 minutes ago, DanangBanaHills57 said: Don't think this is correct. Yes it is correct. Perhaps read the requirements here. Permanent Residency Requirements June 2019.pdf 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uhuh Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 2 hours ago, ubonjoe said: Yes it is correct. Perhaps read the requirements here. Permanent Residency Requirements June 2019.pdf I don't quite understand these requirements. To apply for any kind of PR you need a WP ? So, even to apply for PR as investor or for humanity reasons you need a WP first, and be working here for 3 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 13 minutes ago, uhuh said: I don't quite understand these requirements. To apply for any kind of PR you need a WP ? So, even to apply for PR as investor or for humanity reasons you need a WP first, and be working here for 3 years? That is correct. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nirocool Posted June 1, 2020 Author Share Posted June 1, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, ubonjoe said: Yes it is correct. Perhaps read the requirements here. Permanent Residency Requirements June 2019.pdf I have read these requirements, but the list of qualifications is not full. Thai embassy in London states other categories that don't require WP. Here Sections 2.3 and 2.5 as well as 3.3.1 and 3.3.3 These categories are missing in your attachment. It should be an official document listing all categories and requirements. Maybe anyone has an idea where they can be listed? Immigration Act has only general information about entering and exiting the kingdom Edited June 1, 2020 by nirocool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ubonjoe Posted June 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2020 19 minutes ago, nirocool said: I have read these requirements, but the list of qualifications is not full. Thai embassy in London states other categories that don't require WP. Here Sections 2.3 and 2.5 as well as 3.3.1 and 3.3.3 These categories are missing in your attachment. It should be an official document listing all categories and requirements. Maybe anyone has an idea where they can be listed? An embassy website is not a reliable source for matters relateing to immigration. The categories you mentioned went away over a decade ago. There was a notice done in 2003 that had those numbers but is twas rescinded long ago. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Rodriguez Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 (edited) I would not doubt the word of the visa expert JOE ! but immigration website also have non-working links, lot's of them Edited June 1, 2020 by Bender Rodriguez 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nirocool Posted June 1, 2020 Author Share Posted June 1, 2020 38 minutes ago, ubonjoe said: An embassy website is not a reliable source for matters relateing to immigration. The categories you mentioned went away over a decade ago. There was a notice done in 2003 that had those numbers but is twas rescinded long ago. Very strange, I just find the same information at the official immigration site, here and official document here. The last page update was done in 2016. Are these categories really gone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zyphodb Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 Given the current government I'd say that you'd be having to bringing something quite special over here for them to be even vaguely interested, or millions of dollars of course. Humanitarian grounds? forget it... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timendres Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 (edited) I have asked my agent numerous times about PR, and every time she asked "Why would you want to do that? No advantage over your WP and extension." The last time I asked, she said that basically, with the investment I would need to make in acquiring the PR, I would be much farther ahead to just buy the 20 year Elite Visa, and it is so much easier. Edited June 1, 2020 by timendres 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 23 minutes ago, nirocool said: Very strange, I just find the same information at the official immigration site, here and official document here. The last page update was done in 2016. Are these categories really gone? For all intents and purposes it has been gone since at least 2008. They were refusing applications under many of the categories listed on it then. Note it is dated for 2003. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsallmine68 Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 Go to Immigration and ask Dont put any faith is any comments made here 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJack54 Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 10 minutes ago, itsallmine68 said: Go to Immigration and ask Dont put any faith is any comments made here That's the best I have read today! Many experts (such as ubonjoe) that I would take their advice over some random imm officer any day of the week. There is and extensive running thread that covers PR with contributions from many that have successfully obtained PR 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomazbodner Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 There are a few people who managed to get in on other categories in the past several years. But the cost of it was 50x higher than OP is listing. That's just the official fees. Don't neglect many times higher "other expenses". Of course anyone can apply. But in many cases the application just won't get accepted without a ... sponsor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamini Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 I have had PR twice in Thailand and lost it twice because I didn't return within the one-year period. 20 years ago I returned to Thailand to retire. I considered renewing it and I did not think it worthwhile. The cost and the paperwork put me off . I have been on a retirement Visa for the last 20 years. I've never had a problem. In spite of what you read on this forum the requirements are exactly the same as they were 20 years ago, i.e. 800 K in the bank. This is very much less in terms of worth is what it is now , I have always considered the 90 day reporting a non-issue since anybody can do it for you and you don't even have to fill in a form. I have never felt any insecurity with the retirement Visa because I think Thailand realises just how much money retirees spend here and it goes into the local economy. But I have to be honest I did in actual fact have one very big problem renewing my retirement extension in Chiang Mai about 18 years ago, the female captain in charge of the office asked me to take her out to dinner. In spite of her being very attractive, I thought it wiser to refuse. She retaliated by making me wait six hours for my visa extension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJack54 Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, gamini said: the requirements are exactly the same as they were 20 years ago, i.e. 800 K in the bank. Not so long ago it was 800k for 3 months prior to application and that was it. Now it's 2 months prior then 3 months after and never below 400k at other times. I wouldn't call that a minor change. Anyway the op was asking about PR Edited June 1, 2020 by DrJack54 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jayboy Posted June 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2020 31 minutes ago, gamini said: I have never felt any insecurity with the retirement Visa because I think Thailand realises just how much money retirees spend here and it goes into the local economy. I think this is a profound misconception, albeit one quite commonly held by retired foreigners. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jayboy Posted June 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2020 3 hours ago, timendres said: I have asked my agent numerous times about PR, and every time she asked "Why would you want to do that? No advantage over your WP and extension." The last time I asked, she said that basically, with the investment I would need to make in acquiring the PR, I would be much farther ahead to just buy the 20 year Elite Visa, and it is so much easier. Do you actually qualify for PR by meeting the work permit, tax and visa and other criteria? I have noticed that usually those downplaying the advantages of PR don't qualify for it. Anyway assuming that you do, I suggest you fire your agent for bull<deleted>ting you.Quite apart from the much higher cost, nobody in their right mind mind would prefer Thai Elite to Permanent Residence. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SteveB2 Posted June 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2020 Hi nirocool Udon Joe's comments are spot on Understand that PR is NOT like a visa application, where you simply provide paperwork to meet the minimum published requirements, pay the actual published fee and your PR is issued. PR is not just another visa - in fact it’s not even a visa at all. PR applications are handled and vetted by a special team of high level government officials at Chaeng Wattana government HQ and by high ranking officials across all important Thai ministries in Bangkok. You sir, have got to be Mr perfect. I will go as far to say that the published PR requirements mislead most potential applicants into believing that they can achieve PR status by one or more methods, whereas in fact, they don't even stand a chance by any published method. So don't believe the published requirements - the PR team is after way more than that! If I was to try and put my finger on what the PR team are actually looking for versus the PR application criteria... based on experience, I would say that most of the published requirements represent about 20% of what would satisfy the vetting procedures for all requirements across the board. As for the application fees - well, that’s a laugh. After your own legal and administration costs preparing the myriad of documents needed plus a dozen visits and overnight hotel stays at CW, plus some express processing fees 'cough-cough', you'll easily spend USD10-15K. Maybe more if you need to travel back to your own country to legalize and have apostilles attached to any of the many required documents. The process itself could easily take many years. Issuance of the PR could also take several additional years after all vetting and payments are completed. Further, your unfortunate lack of Thai partner is not helping matters (extra points for that), You'll need a high paying job(read my 20% rule above), most applicants I met were professionals and spoke decent business Thai (no requirement mentioned on the application form), most had a lawyer or CPA helping with paperwork prep etc, etc, etc. I hope this information helps - FYI, I was issued PR 3 years ago. I now attend Thai government school as a regular student(PR and my name in a Thai house blue book permits me to do that) and have just completed M3 Junior high school education and national curiculum exams. Cheers. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilotman Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 I have no idea why anyone would want PR here. I am quite happy with temporary, as that matches how I feel about Thailand. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BritManToo Posted June 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2020 45 minutes ago, SteveB2 said: Further, your unfortunate lack of Thai partner is not helping matters If you're married, no need for PR, you can apply for citizenship directly. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timendres Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 50 minutes ago, jayboy said: Do you actually qualify for PR by meeting the work permit, tax and visa and other criteria? I have noticed that usually those downplaying the advantages of PR don't qualify for it. Anyway assuming that you do, I suggest you fire your agent for bull<deleted>ting you.Quite apart from the much higher cost, nobody in their right mind mind would prefer Thai Elite to Permanent Residence. Fully qualify, not going to do it. My work permit extensions are reasonable enough for now. Can use retirement extension if I decide to stop working. No need for Elite. PR is just too much trouble for what it offers over the WP extension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayboy Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 43 minutes ago, timendres said: Fully qualify, not going to do it. My work permit extensions are reasonable enough for now. Can use retirement extension if I decide to stop working. No need for Elite. PR is just too much trouble for what it offers over the WP extension. That's a completely reasonable point of view. I agree you have no need for Elite.It only needs a look at their website for various red flags to go up, and the terms can be amended at any time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malawi Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 52 minutes ago, BritManToo said: If you're married, no need for PR, you can apply for citizenship directly. Providing you have 3 years working. Plus work permit. Plus a record of paying income tax. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BritManToo Posted June 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Malawi said: Providing you have 3 years working. Plus work permit. Plus a record of paying income tax. If you're a foreign female married to a Thai, you don't need any of that. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malawi Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Pilotman said: I have no idea why anyone would want PR here. I am quite happy with temporary, as that matches how I feel about Thailand. I have every idea why anyone would want PR here. Not have to go through the extension circus every year. Never knowing if you qualify or not. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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