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We need a wake up call to sharpen our acumen. And it will happen. Recessions clean out the cobwebs . I believe in ScotMo and his team to deliver. Unlike where we happen to retire now , run solely for the benefit of a few. And their ridiculously high currency! Also benefiting a small minority.

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3 hours ago, Andrew65 said:

the real problem that the world faces is population growth, a cause of, and more of a problem than climate change.

Rising standards of living slow population growth dramatically but if that living standards improvement is powered primarily by fossil fuels that's where the global warming problem is. Most of the world's carbon emissions historically have come from the USA, and they have never been a significant fraction of the world's population. Indonesia's population is far larger than the USA yet their emissions are much lower.

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I find it very interesting that neither the article nor any above comments refer to the impact on the Oz economy of the developing trade war with China. So much in common with their American cousins. 

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7 hours ago, teatime101 said:

Rising standards of living slow population growth dramatically but if that living standards improvement is powered primarily by fossil fuels that's where the global warming problem is. Most of the world's carbon emissions historically have come from the USA, and they have never been a significant fraction of the world's population. Indonesia's population is far larger than the USA yet their emissions are much lower.

More people drive more cars and use more electricity generated by fossil fuels, so why increase the population to use more fossil fuel? Reducing the population obviously reduces fossil fuel consumption. Climate change activists should be against immigration.

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In today's Australian - can't link due to paywall - it states "economic modelling requires between 160,000 to 210,000 new overseas migrants per year to maintain GDP per capita growth". The article also quotes Deloitte Access saying loss of migrant intake due to Covid 19 is forecast to reduce GDP by 2% roughly equivalent to AUD$40 billion.

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10 hours ago, Andrew65 said:

Let's look at the third world:
 

Pakistan:

Population: 1950 - 37.5 million. 2020 - 212 million
Births per year: 2010 - 4.6 million
Deaths per year: 2010 - 1.2 million

Africa's population is projected to triple from 800 million today to 2.4 billion by 2050.

This is where the problem is, not places like Germany & Australia

 

The OP is in reference to Australia, not 'third world' countries.

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10 hours ago, teatime101 said:

Rising standards of living slow population growth dramatically but if that living standards improvement is powered primarily by fossil fuels that's where the global warming problem is. Most of the world's carbon emissions historically have come from the USA, and they have never been a significant fraction of the world's population. Indonesia's population is far larger than the USA yet their emissions are much lower.

Your basic point is a good one. Per capita consumption of fossil fuels has historically been much greater in developed nations. And still is. And of the major nations with advanced economies, Australia and the USA lead the pack. That said, while the US has generated and continues to generate an outsized portion of the world's carbon emissions, it does not and has not emitted the majority. And Indonesia's population is still somewhat smaller than the the USA's.

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3 hours ago, johnpetersen said:

That said, while the US has generated and continues to generate an outsized portion of the world's carbon emissions, it does not and has not emitted the majority. And Indonesia's population is still somewhat smaller than the the USA's.

Edited 2 hours ago by johnpetersen

Sorry, I meant to type India. Here are total cumulative emissions by country for top 10 emitters. USA is way out in front.

1) US – 397GtCO2
2) CN – 214Gt
3) fmr USSR – 180
4) DE – 90
5) UK – 77
6) JP – 58
7) IN – 51
6) FR – 37
9) CA – 32
10) PL – 27

 

https://twitter.com/CarbonBrief/status/1120715988532629506?s=20

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54 minutes ago, teatime101 said:

Sorry, I meant to type India. Here are total cumulative emissions by country for top 10 emitters. USA is way out in front.

1) US – 397GtCO2
2) CN – 214Gt
3) fmr USSR – 180
4) DE – 90
5) UK – 77
6) JP – 58
7) IN – 51
6) FR – 37
9) CA – 32
10) PL – 27

 

https://twitter.com/CarbonBrief/status/1120715988532629506?s=20

But, as you note,  That is cumulative. You can't undo the past. It doesn't have much relevance to what's going on currently. And even then the rest of the top 10 emitters total is roughly twice that of the USA. Anyway, the current per capita figures for the USA. even though they're declining,  are bad enough

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3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The problem with today's economics is that it depends on continual growth, and that is bad for people, bad for the environment and bad for the future.

Societies should be learning to live without continual growth, and increase happiness, not possessions.

100% correct.

The current model of perpetual growth in a world of finites is ridiculous - anybody can see that.

I'm kind of hoping that people living thru Covid lockdown can see how much less they can get by with  and  still be happy.

And emerge less consumer oriented.

Consuming way less has already delivered a cleaner environment  and we can all see that , and the long term benefit can be  that consuming less of what we dont REALLY need  will lessen Chinas totalitarian leverage over nations , and multinationals  leverage over us all.

Good news for planet earth.

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