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Anyone have a crystal ball for us Non O holders?

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Almost impossible to know what will come on July 31st, those of us who currently are on Non immigrant O visas being married to a Thai and whose permission to stay expired post end of March and whose visas will expire pre July 31st have three options as I see it: 1. Do a 60 day extension (if allowed under Amnesty) before July 31st and then hope borders open so a fresh visa can be obtained. 2. Go and apply for a fresh non O multi after borders open assuming that Thai consulates will still issue such and one is able to re-enter Thailand without too many restrictions. 3. Apply for a 1 year extension if one meets the criteria AND if the Amnesty allows for an extension to be applied for. This is a big if. I think no-one can say if this will be permitted or not. Exciting times ahead.

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OP, Your post is very important. We all rely on ubonjoe. 

Personally my thinking that guys using multi entry to visit wife when in fact living Thailand might be caught out. Needing to exit  will be major issue

 

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2 minutes ago, BritTim said:

Very likely, some offices are going to have their own more or less irrational interpretation of the rules.

Stop talk riddles. Does OP need exit post amnesty. Hopefully will be extended.

If not he needs exit Thailand

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Both valid arguments Brittim and Drjack. I would imagine there are quite a few here on non o multis that will need to exit either to get a further 90 days or apply for a new visa. And quite a few will not meet the requirements for a 1 year extension. 

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The smartest thing would be to do a 60 day extension for those who still have a valid Non O after July 31 I would think as that's what Im doing.

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2 minutes ago, nightfox said:

The smartest thing would be to do a 60 day extension for those who still have a valid Non O after July 31 I would think as that's what Im doing.

When you say a 'valid non o' you mean those whose permission to stay is covered under the Amnesty. The expiration date of the visa doesn't apply here. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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49 minutes ago, johnny1966 said:

Both valid arguments Brittim and Drjack. I would imagine there are quite a few here on non o multis that will need to exit either to get a further 90 days or apply for a new visa. And quite a few will not meet the requirements for a 1 year extension. 

A Thai/French couple I know come here every winter on a Non "O", Flew back to France today. Always an option.

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4 hours ago, DrJack54 said:
4 hours ago, BritTim said:

Very likely, some offices are going to have their own more or less irrational interpretation of the rules.

Stop talk riddles. Does OP need exit post amnesty. Hopefully will be extended.

If not he needs exit Thailand

I am not being deliberately obtuse. No one can predict with certainty what is going to happen in Thailand after July 31st. I specifically restricted my comments to those able to apply for long term extensions (and stressed that, even there, some offices might deviate from what is expected). As for whether people will be able to travel to nearby countries, get fresh multiple entry Non O visas, and return (with or without quarantine) I have absolutely no idea. 

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8 hours ago, johnny1966 said:

When you say a 'valid non o' you mean those whose permission to stay is covered under the Amnesty. The expiration date of the visa doesn't apply here. Correct me if I'm wrong.

That's what you would think would occur.

Meaning apply for 60 day extension prior to July 31. If indeed it turns out that way then even folk that previously had a visa exempt stamp or tourist visa and did not apply for an extension previously could in fact do so.

 

 

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13 hours ago, johnny1966 said:

1. Do a 60 day extension (if allowed under Amnesty) before July 31st and then hope borders open so a fresh visa can be obtained.

Do we know if they will add 60 to the date of application?  In other words, will they add 60 to the "auotmatic covid extension"? 

 

I already used my 60 before the July 31 rule (blocked by "undocumented requirements" for the 1-year), so doesn't help me - but even if I had not used that 60-day, I would not count on this being an option.

  

12 hours ago, johnny1966 said:

Both valid arguments Brittim and Drjack. I would imagine there are quite a few here on non o multis that will need to exit either to get a further 90 days or apply for a new visa. And quite a few will not meet the requirements for a 1 year extension. 

Note that "meeting the requirements for a 1 year extension" includes whatever "unpublished requirements" they tack on.  Many of us are on Multi-Non-Os ONLY because of the "unpublished requirements," to spite meeting every "official requirement" to the letter.

 

Anyone wanting to avail themselves of a 1-year extension should apply ASAP, and find out what the full rule-set is at their office at present.  They seem to have periodic meetings to determine if envelope-money revenue is sufficient, and change the "unpublished requirements" to suit.

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14 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

Stop talk riddles. Does OP need exit post amnesty. Hopefully will be extended.

If not he needs exit Thailand

I don't know his exact procedure to stay at this point , but riddles are often the answers you

get from immigration .

I had reason to take my 800000 baht out of the bank for something.

I had enough time to use it and return it with 8 month rest before needing renew visa.

But when I got there they said sorry, this year you need 1 year of rest in the bank for 

your 800000 baht. No visa extension for you.

I called a lawyer who handles visas in Bangkok and he said wrong, by law it only need to be 

there for 2 months but immigration handles it differently according to the office.

 

So now I am looking for a way get my extension before june 17.

 

It was so much easier when you could just pass an envelope to them with

your papers and quickly get your stamp.

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1 hour ago, PatchinExPat said:

But when I got there they said sorry, this year you need 1 year of rest in the bank for 

your 800000 baht. No visa extension for you.

I explained that in another topic you did i believe.

You apparently took all money out of your account. Since March 1st of last year you have to keep the 800k baht in the bank for 3 months after you apply for the extension and then 400k baht until you top up your account to 800k baht 2 months before you apply.

The reply I did in a topic you did is here. https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1166605-marriage-visa-and-health-insurance/?do=findComment&comment=15475078

 

 

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2 hours ago, PatchinExPat said:

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I had reason to take my 800000 baht out of the bank for something.

I had enough time to use it and return it with 8 month rest before needing renew visa.

But when I got there they said sorry, this year you need 1 year of rest in the bank for 

your 800000 baht. No visa extension for you.

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So now I am looking for a way get my extension before june 17.

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If during the 12 months preceding your application you did go under the 800K during first 3 and last 2 months of that period, or under 400K during the intermediate 7 months, the application for your 1-year extension of stay using the money-in-bank method will be refused.

And since you used that method, you will for sure not have transferred each month 65K to your personal thai bank account, thus also blocking the monthly-income transfer method for your application.

The only option left to meet the financial requirement would be to get an Affidavit from your Embassy, stating that you had monthly income of at least 65K during the past period (e.g. from pension, dividends, rental income, ...).  However, if you are a citizen from US, UK or Australia that option is also blocked as the embassies of those countries do not provide such Affidavits anymore.

So when you cannot get such an Affidavit, your only options left are:

1 -  Making use of an agent with the right connections at IO to circumvent the financial requirement, and get you a 1-year extension - obviously that's not legit, but there are many retirees that are unable to meet the financial requirements, that make use of such agent service.

OR

2 - Wait till the end of the Amnesty (31 July) and if the borders are open again by then, do a border run and re-enter Thailand Visa Exempt.  And then apply at your local IO for a 90-day Non Imm O retirement Visa, and in the last month of that 90-days apply for the 1-year extension of that Non Imm O retirement Visa. 

>> In case you want to go that last route, let me know and I will PM you a comprehensive guideline document outlining all options/details to apply for such a 90-day Non Imm O retirement Visa.

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