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11 hours ago, samran said:

No, to be fair to Boris I actually thinks he means it. This has got nothing to do with trump, who’d be hard up trying to locate HK on a map. 

 

There isn’t much he can do apart from the residency rights thing. 
 

The Chinese have essentially reneged on one county two systems. Some, me included hoped they’d honour it if only to keep an effective entry point for business into the county, but they seem happy to trash that now too. 
 

Britain can’t take back HK island and Kowloon, so the best they can do is give citizens there a safety net.
 

Sure it will <deleted> China off but China has shown really good form lately in pissing everyone off. 

BJ may have a legal obligation to allow entry of approx 350,000 Hong Kong’s BNO passport holders but will face a storm of protest from conservatives if he try to expand that residence privilege to the rest of eligible 3 million Hong Kong citizens. The parliament back in the 1980s put a stop to that suggestion. Still UK is not a top choice for migration. Hong Kong people are pragmatic and they consider matters like economics and family ties as important. 
 

I don’t think China will reneged on the autonomous status of Hong Kong until the declaration expire. The cost of building another Hong Kong as a financial center in the mainland is just too difficult and I would say impossible. Hong Kong has a role in China’s economic plan. China will clamp down on independence aspiration hard as this will threaten China cohesion. 
 

The west must learn how to live with China as a superpower and China rise is unstoppable. Much to gain from cooperation rather than try to decouple and creat frictions. 

 

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5 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

BJ may have a legal obligation to allow entry of approx 350,000 Hong Kong’s BNO passport holders but will face a storm of protest from conservatives if he try to expand that residence privilege to the rest of eligible 3 million Hong Kong citizens. The parliament back in the 1980s put a stop to that suggestion. Still UK is not a top choice for migration. Hong Kong people are pragmatic and they consider matters like economics and family ties as important. 
 

I don’t think China will reneged on the autonomous status of Hong Kong until the declaration expire. The cost of building another Hong Kong as a financial center in the mainland is just too difficult and I would say impossible. Hong Kong has a role in China’s economic plan. China will clamp down on independence aspiration hard as this will threaten China cohesion. 
 

The west must learn how to live with China as a superpower and China rise is unstoppable. Much to gain from cooperation rather than try to decouple and creat frictions. 

 

Glad I'm old and won't see it.

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7 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

BJ may have a legal obligation to allow entry of approx 350,000 Hong Kong’s BNO passport holders but will face a storm of protest from conservatives if he try to expand that residence privilege to the rest of eligible 3 million Hong Kong citizens. The parliament back in the 1980s put a stop to that suggestion. Still UK is not a top choice for migration. Hong Kong people are pragmatic and they consider matters like economics and family ties as important. 
 

 

Depends how much he can wrap the solution up in the Union Jack and dreams of Empire so the Rule Britannia brigade don't get too antsy. Remember too, they are gagging to give China a good kicking, so this will be part of the list.

 

7 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

 

I don’t think China will reneged on the autonomous status of Hong Kong until the declaration expire. The cost of building another Hong Kong as a financial center in the mainland is just too difficult and I would say impossible. Hong Kong has a role in China’s economic plan. China will clamp down on independence aspiration hard as this will threaten China cohesion. 
 

The west must learn how to live with China as a superpower and China rise is unstoppable. Much to gain from cooperation rather than try to decouple and creat frictions. 

 

 

China has effectively breached it already - or have you forgotten about the kidnappings of people on HK soil extradited to the mainland....oh sorry, yes, they were voluntary.

 

As for learning to live with China - fine, I don't think anyone begrudges the rise out of poverty of a billion people. That is a good thing. Kicking sand in the face of their global neighbors...you'll see less willingness for that to happen going forward.

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https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1292833/boris-johnson-news-china-latest-UK-technology-Five-Eyes-intelligence-5G-Huawei

 

Goodbye China! Boris Johnson orders UK to take lead role in Western technology drive

BORIS Johnson has ordered the UK to take a lead role in the West's technology drive in what appears to be an attempt to sever ties with China.

PUBLISHED: 10:02, Mon, Jun 8, 2020 | UPDATED: 10:22, Mon, Jun 8, 2020
 
The Prime Minister wants the UK to take a lead role in efforts by the Five Eyes intelligence alliance to challenge China’s technological capabilities. The Five Eyes is an intelligence alliance comprising Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and the United States. These countries are parties to the multilateral UK-USA Agreement, a treaty for joint cooperation in signals intelligence.

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On 6/6/2020 at 5:03 AM, Eric Loh said:

BJ may have a legal obligation to allow entry of approx 350,000 Hong Kong’s BNO passport holders but will face a storm of protest from conservatives if he try to expand that residence privilege to the rest of eligible 3 million Hong Kong citizens. The parliament back in the 1980s put a stop to that suggestion. Still UK is not a top choice for migration. Hong Kong people are pragmatic and they consider matters like economics and family ties as important. 
 

I don’t think China will reneged on the autonomous status of Hong Kong until the declaration expire. The cost of building another Hong Kong as a financial center in the mainland is just too difficult and I would say impossible. Hong Kong has a role in China’s economic plan. China will clamp down on independence aspiration hard as this will threaten China cohesion. 
 

The west must learn how to live with China as a superpower and China rise is unstoppable. Much to gain from cooperation rather than try to decouple and creat frictions. 

 

Why must the west have to learn to live with china?the West should do what it did with Russia when it started playing up after the war,put up an iron curtain,and as for Hong Kong's 3 million non British passport holders,feel sorry for them,but they,'ll have to get on with it,they stopped former commonwealth citizens from South Africa and rhodesia getting British passports.

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On 6/6/2020 at 2:24 AM, samran said:

Your previous post included a bizarre rant about White south African farmers being shot. 
 

History isn’t your strong point - HK was a crown colony till 1997. 
 

Hong Kong island and the Kowloon peninsula was British territory in perpetuity (if that is too big a word for you, it means forever). Think the Gibraltar of Asia. 

 

Only the New Territories were ever leased for 99 years.
 

it was always going to be impractical to only hand back the NTs so the British relinquished sovereignty over HK and Kowloon too, the quid pro quo being one country two systems.

 

The people of HK may not have automatic rights to full UK citizenship, but with a tweak of legislation, Boris can give HK BN(O) citizens residency and work rights in the UK.
 

It’s probably something that would enjoy bipartisan support, but is still a step short of what the Portuguese did with Macau - everyone born there up to 1999 gets a Portuguese passport. 

 

Have you got any other historical falsehoods you’d like to be rebut with? 

 Portugal may have given passports to Macau citizens,however it wasn,t so generous to the citizens of their former colonies Mozambique and Angola both of whom suffered by hundreds of thousands of deaths in the civil wara that followed.there is a severe recession in the post so think the uk should forget all about "tweaking" and dishing out any more British passports that they don,t legally have to.

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On 6/6/2020 at 2:24 AM, samran said:

Your previous post included a bizarre rant about White south African farmers being shot. 
 

History isn’t your strong point - HK was a crown colony till 1997. 
 

Hong Kong island and the Kowloon peninsula was British territory in perpetuity (if that is too big a word for you, it means forever). Think the Gibraltar of Asia. 

 

Only the New Territories were ever leased for 99 years.
 

it was always going to be impractical to only hand back the NTs so the British relinquished sovereignty over HK and Kowloon too, the quid pro quo being one country two systems.

 

The people of HK may not have automatic rights to full UK citizenship, but with a tweak of legislation, Boris can give HK BN(O) citizens residency and work rights in the UK.
 

It’s probably something that would enjoy bipartisan support, but is still a step short of what the Portuguese did with Macau - everyone born there up to 1999 gets a Portuguese passport. 

 

Have you got any other historical falsehoods you’d like to be rebut with? 

Hong Kong was leased to the British for 99 years so it wasn,t a colony as such so how do you work out it was forever? In 1997 92% of Hong Kong had to be handed back to the Chinese but Britain for whatever reason also handed back the other 8%,or Hong Kong city that was up to the British government at the time,Hong Kong citizens had 99 years to prepare for the takeover and if they chose to stay ( they,d already had a taste of what could happen in tinnamun square ).....up to them.

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1 hour ago, kingdong said:

Why must the west have to learn to live with china?the West should do what it did with Russia when it started playing up after the war,put up an iron curtain,and as for Hong Kong's 3 million non British passport holders,feel sorry for them,but they,'ll have to get on with it,they stopped former commonwealth citizens from South Africa and rhodesia getting British passports.

Sure mate, the west put up the iron curtain.

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5 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Sure mate, the west put up the iron curtain.

I just said that,glad you agree.

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