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1 hour ago, Walker88 said:

The vast majority of those exercising the rights granted them in the very first Amendment of the US Constitution, so important to Thomas Jefferson and James Madison they put "the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances" before any other rights, have been peaceful.

 

Some people have behaved badly, but those people did not include anyone in Layfayette Park on 1 June when 45 had them gassed, flashbanged and shot with rubber bullets so he could engage in a photo-op.

 

Now, as it turns out, many of those both fomenting and engaging in acts of violence are white supremacist groups and far-right groups, such as Proud Boys, Boogaloo Boys, and the 3 Percenters.

 

The FBI stated on Tuesday that they found no evidence of "Antifa" in the violent protests, but did find that various far right terror groups were engaged in violent behavior and were fomenting violence in online chat rooms and social media platforms. They identified members of white supremacist groups masquerading as "Antifa" on social media. Twitter also found this and suspended the fake accounts.

 

LE in Portland arrested three "Proud Boys" members who had dressed an black (trying to mimic Antifa) and had engaged in malicious destruction of shops and businesses while peaceful protests were happening around them.

 

The FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force and the Las Vegas PD announce charges against 3 alleged members of the right-wing extremist group "Boogaloo" with violating state & federal laws, "for conspiracy to cause destruction during protests in Las Vegas".

 

Interesting that despite no FBI evidence of any violence by so-called "Antifa", AG barr named Antifa a 'domestic terror group' on Monday. He has yet to announce the same designation to Proud Boys, Boogaloo Boys or the 3 Percenters.

 

Both the FBI and the Dept of Homeland Security have released reports saying that over 70% of all domestic terror attacks since 9-11 have been carried out by white supremacist groups.  Still, the AG has yet to designate any of these groups as 'domestic terror groups'.

 

Now, in the cities of the United States, armed troops, claiming to only be "Dept of Justice" are fighting with and arresting peaceful protesters. These troops are wearing no insignia and no name tags, making them essentially 'secret police' and violating US law. These individually and unit unidentified armed troops even attacked members of the press, including some from Australian TV.

You have made a lot of claims of fact in your post without even one citation. I ask you kindly to provide references for your claims as I would find it disturbing if even some of the claims were true. I don't doubt you, I merely wish to be properly informed.

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7 minutes ago, animalmagic said:

Please tell me how I should interpret threats of when the looting starts the shooting starts.  And why not finish off with the correct interpretation of protesters would be met with vicious dogs and ominous weapons.

No need for interpretation, that was meant literally 

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27 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

No, what I meant was whether its a lie or not is open to interpretation .

Did he actually try to imply that the Wall was actually in the process of being built, or did he mean that it will  get built in the future ?

   If he stated that the building process is currently underway, that would be a lie .

If he meant the wall would get built in the future , that wouldn't be a lie

It depends on how people interpret what he says .

No, it depends on what he says.

 

He started, very specifically, talking about a big, beautiful wall, clearly explained it would not be some fence. Later on that changed and he included everything. So his earlier words are lies, his latter words are not.

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28 minutes ago, DoctorG said:

You have made a lot of claims of fact in your post without even one citation. I ask you kindly to provide references for your claims as I would find it disturbing if even some of the claims were true. I don't doubt you, I merely wish to be properly informed.

I assume that people here can access everything from media to US government websites.  It's all available, and the beauty of it...it's free.

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Just now, Walker88 said:

I assume that people here can access everything from media to US government websites.  It's all available, and the beauty of it...it's free.

haha. As soon as someone on here not from your "tribe" posts then there is the universal bleeting about sources. One rule for thee ..etc.

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2 hours ago, The Barmbeker said:

"but no you sit in your arm chair and say 'let the mob rule"

Whereas you are on the front line, locked and loaded, ready to kill American citizens!

The only thing "unbelievable" is the hipocracy from your side

Your family might be the next to get the mob come calling hypocrite (yea, spelling is correct)   

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34 minutes ago, simple1 said:

You do know who Mattis is don't you? For Mattis to make his views available in the public arena demonstrates the depth on concern re the trump Presidency by people who have held positions at the very top of the trump Administration. Showing 'unity' contrary to their beliefs is what sycophants do, betray the trust of American citizens by acting contrary to their Oath to Defend the Constitution. Thankfully Mattis has not betrayed his Oath to Defend the Constitution - congratulations Mattis!

Yea I know who he is he was sacked by Obama and Trump gave him a second chance then he gets fired and stabs POTUS in the back - yes I KNOW who he IS.

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5 hours ago, BobBKK said:

Yea! you are right!  let the scum loot, kill, attack innocent people - burn churches!  why stop them?  this is not the first time this has happened remember LA riots?  what if YOU were a shop owner that was looted?  but no you sit in your arm chair and say 'let the mob rule'  unbelievable

 

restore law and order

Apparently the police didn't learn any lessons from LA. If the police can murder black citizens with impunity it's no wonder that there are riots. I see that white supremist illegally armed Nazis standing around just waiting for a chance to shoot aren't being arrested, Trump has their back.

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4 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

Apparently the police didn't learn any lessons from LA. If the police can murder black citizens with impunity it's no wonder that there are riots. I see that white supremist illegally armed Nazis standing around just waiting for a chance to shoot aren't being arrested, Trump has their back.

Don't know what they would be arrested for but sure, anything you say. (and let's just call every armed white guy a nazi, yes?) How about the unarmed black ex-police chief who was shot and killed whilst trying to defend his friend's store? Maybe he should have been armed too.

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9 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

Apparently the police didn't learn any lessons from LA. If the police can murder black citizens with impunity it's no wonder that there are riots. 

The Police officers involved  have all been arrested and charged over the killing so, they werent acting with impunity

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6 hours ago, BobBKK said:

Yea! you are right!  let the scum loot, kill, attack innocent people - burn churches!  why stop them?  this is not the first time this has happened remember LA riots?  what if YOU were a shop owner that was looted?  but no you sit in your arm chair and say 'let the mob rule'  unbelievable

 

restore law and order

If I had a business looted or burned then I would want the people found and prosecuted.  But as we know this is not the protestors doing it.  It is the usual gangs of thugs that turn out at every protest meeting.  Same in Britain, Germany, France and just about every other country out there.

 

Of course there will always be those who believe Trump's twisted version but it's probably best to just ignore them.

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