KhunFred Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 8 hours ago, Sujo said: Police above the law. Great. I have never known a policeman who DID NOT think he was above the law. Personality profiles for the average cop are terrifying. Vicious control freaks with a God complex, who think the public is out of control. I even saw this with a black cop I worked with briefly. Worst racial sell-out, I have ever encountered. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 1 hour ago, bert bloggs said: I did not say anyone"here" was saying he was a good guy . but his family have ,or as his son said"my dad changed the world"???? well his being in it has certainly messed parts of it up big time .and as i have always said ,that cop deserves everything he gets , Right, so his son and his family saw some good in him. Is that it?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted June 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 4, 2020 1 hour ago, flexomike said: And what percent of the crimes are they committing, would really be nice to no that Irrelevant. Crimes punished through the justice system, not through murder process police. Or at least that’s how it’s supposed to be. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
time2093 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) It will be interesting once the trial starts for these 4 murderers what kind of sympathy and sob stories the defense will have for these cops. All I know is that if the conviction is wrong or not fair then America as you know it will never be the same as you might as well change their name to Unites States of Iraq. Edited June 4, 2020 by time2093 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tug Posted June 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 4, 2020 9 hours ago, EVENKEEL said: Now you're just making things up, if Floyd had not resisted he would be alive. Cops are hired to uphold laws and keep the peace they aren’t hired to murder handcuffed people it doesent matter if Floyd was resisting he was cuffed and no(deleted) threat that’s why folks are (deleted)off no excuses none nada zip zilch it’s got to stop I know beeing a good cop is a tough job if a person isent up to it quit or get rid of them 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bert bloggs Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said: Right, so his son and his family saw some good in him. Is that it?! oh please go away ,your always confused or having a go at my posts ,please ignore me . 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 17 minutes ago, bert bloggs said: oh please go away ,your always confused or having a go at my posts ,please ignore me . You do realize this is a discussion forum? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bert bloggs Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: You do realize this is a discussion forum? How can i ever discuss anything with anyone ,when i am always right????? ps. i have to go now ,she who must be obeyed is calling , and its easier to pretend she is right ???? Edited June 4, 2020 by bert bloggs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Tug said: Cops are hired to uphold laws and keep the peace they aren’t hired to murder handcuffed people it doesent matter if Floyd was resisting he was cuffed and no(deleted) threat that’s why folks are (deleted)off no excuses none nada zip zilch it’s got to stop I know beeing a good cop is a tough job if a person isent up to it quit or get rid of them More than that, they wield powers of the State. Which raises a question, why all of a sudden are the rightwing who so frequently rant about the evils of the State to have power over individuals now defending an agent of the state murdering a citizen? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Just now, bert bloggs said: How can i ever discuss anything with anyone ,when i am always right????? Well there is that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucec64 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 11 hours ago, EVENKEEL said: Now you're just making things up, if Floyd had not resisted he would be alive. Also, not taking heavy doses of fentanyl and meth ahead of time would have also helped. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bert bloggs Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: More than that, they wield powers of the State. Which raises a question, why all of a sudden are the rightwing who so frequently rant about the evils of the State to have power over individuals now defending an agent of the state murdering a citizen? just before i go ,i am not defending him ,he is a piece of you know what he deserves all he gets , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 1 minute ago, bert bloggs said: just before i go ,i am not defending him ,he is a piece of you know what he deserves all he gets , What people who break the law ‘deserve’ is a matter for the courts to decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caldera Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Excellent news. Since we cannot hang them, I hope they'll get locked away for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucec64 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 9 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said: Police shootings database Statistics can show anything when presented in isolation. Based on incarcerated rates, this would imply that blacks have many, many more interactions with police (per capita) than whites, and a correspondingly higher death rate. Death rates above have a ratio of about 1 to 2, but incarcerated rates are 7 to 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phulublub Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 6 hours ago, Bluespunk said: Degree of intent I think, but others have since said, that might not be the case here As I understand it, in Minesota, if a person is killed while the accused is committing another crime against that person, then the correct charge is 2nd degree. In using excessive force and assaulting Floyd, Chauvin had a duty of care (!) not to kill himas well. In failing to do that, he becomes liable to be charged with 2nd degree. Or something like that. In UK would most likely be a manslaughter charge. Of course, the charge could yet be reduced as new evidence arises, or by plea bargain, or he could be found guilt of a lesser charge... PH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traubert Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, brucec64 said: Statistics can show anything when presented in isolation. Based on incarcerated rates, this would imply that blacks have many, many more interactions with police (per capita) than whites, and a correspondingly higher death rate. Death rates above have a ratio of about 1 to 2, but incarcerated rates are 7 to 1. p Top graph sir, that makes all the difference!!! In colour too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, brucec64 said: Statistics can show anything when presented in isolation. Based on incarcerated rates, this would imply that blacks have many, many more interactions with police (per capita) than whites, and a correspondingly higher death rate. Death rates above have a ratio of about 1 to 2, but incarcerated rates are 7 to 1. Well yeh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i84teen Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Pedrogaz said: What's the difference between second and third degree murder? 2nd degree is "unintentional", causing death while in the commission of a felony. Example is killing instead of harming a victim. There is 2nd degree with "intention" but does not apply in this case 3rd degree involves death while committing any action or act and takes "depraved indifference" into consideration. An example is the cop Derek Chauvin should have known his actions could be dangerous and cause death to the suspect (G Floyd). Different states have differing degrees of mental and physical input to reach the definition of the class of murder. I have used minnesota statutes. actus reus / mens reus Edited June 4, 2020 by i84teen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 9 minutes ago, Caldera said: Excellent news. Since we cannot hang them, I hope they'll get locked away for a long time. For the record, I would not support the officer being hanged if he were found guilty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucec64 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 3 hours ago, flexomike said: And what percent of the crimes are they committing, would really be nice to no that At 7 to 1 based on incarceration rates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elliss Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, dexterm said: I think very damaging to their defense is the main perp kept his knee on Floyd's neck for a further 2 minutes when Floyd was unresponsive and the other cops could not feel a pulse. Pretty incriminating demonstration of his intention. Damning for the other cops too when they did nothing to stop the murder. Correct , they are all guilty . Thank God , we were born white.. Obama , did well , to be a white man's President , in America . Good golfer , he played the white man's game, and won . As for Trump , he's History , asap .. Edited June 4, 2020 by elliss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropposurfer Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 About time ... filthy trash ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utalkin2me Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 The "problem" is, if those guys deserve to be arrested, then I would say about 98% of the entire police force deserves it to. Do any of us really think almost every cop hasn't looked the other way to protect other cops? You can't be a cop unless you protect other cops, even the bad ones. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katana Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 13 hours ago, EVENKEEL said: 14 hours ago, cyril sneer said: to stop the protests? wonder what the charge would have been if the victim was white No protests and no arrests, I doubt we would have heard about it had Floyd been white. Tony Timpa was killed by Dallas Police in 2016 in a similar manner with police kneeling on him until he stopped breathing and died. He screamed “You’re going to kill me.” And they did. As he lay dead, they cracked jokes. There were no riots. Little coverage. He was white. Warning - disturbing video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c-E_i8Q5G0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pique Dard Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 15 hours ago, Bluespunk said: but I seriously doubt he intended to kill him. no of course not! he was just having fun especially when george was screaming " i can't breathe"! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacovl46 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 15 hours ago, Bluespunk said: Good to hear all four will be charged. Though I have concerns that second degree murder can be proved. The cop is undoubtedly a thug whose actions are directly responsible for George Floyds death, but I seriously doubt he intended to kill him. First degree murder is with intent to kill, second and third degree isn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Pique Dard said: no of course not! he was just having fun especially when george was screaming " i can't breathe"! Partially quoting to make out I am defending the cop. Deary deary me Edited June 4, 2020 by Bluespunk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, pacovl46 said: First degree murder is with intent to kill, second and third degree isn’t. I said that. Edited June 4, 2020 by Bluespunk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i84teen Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: I said that. To be clear, 2nd degree murder has both intentional and unintentional statutes and Chauvin is charged with 2 murder counts, one of which is: Second Degree Murder - Unintentional - While Committing A Felony (Minnesota Statute: 609.19.2(1)). He has an additional count of 2nd degree manslaughter and one count of 3rd degree murder as well. What differentiates 2nd degree from 1st degree is premeditation, NOT intent. Interesting that some legal experts insist there is a strong likelihood of a guilty verdict for 1st degree murder charge in this case. Anyways, not necessary to prove intent based on the 2nd degree murder charge in this case. Edited June 4, 2020 by i84teen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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