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30 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Never mind who funds it, does it even exist.

 

they exist.  CNN has something on youtube if you are interested.  just search for:

 

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23 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

That might be, but it is still correct to call manslaughter murder.

Yes I tend to agree.   Its  1st, 2nd and 3rd degree murder, which are broken down by the intent.

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6 hours ago, Canuck1966 said:

The four will get off, I think they have gone for too much with murder 2

I didn't know til recently that George refused to stay in the police car.

They placed him in there and he fought and came out the other side, claiming claustrophobia

That's when they had to wrestle him to the ground and excessive force was used

I don't think you can prove that the office purposely tried to kill him.

Wonder how many times cops have heard a perp saying they can't breathe, then next thing they are running down the street

Only one cop in the history of Minneapolis has ever gone to jail 

I think it was murder and that they will convince the jury.  There are several more videos we haven't seen and it was on the basis of those and whatever other evidence has come out, that AG Ellison decided to up the charge to second-degree murder.

 

I am encouraged that the AG finally charged Chauvin's three accomplices.  AG Elllison is right man for the job.

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once the trial starts they've got to get a unanimous verdict from 12 jury members.  you never know when a real outlier will end up on the jury.  might not get 2nd or 3rd degree murder and have to settle for manslaughter.  and the judge decides on the sentence within the guidelines of the actual guilty charge (below).

 

it appears that for minnesota, 2nd degree max is 40 yrs, minimum 15 yrs.  3rd degree is 25 yrs max.  manslaughter first degree is max 15 yrs.

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, buick said:

once the trial starts they've got to get a unanimous verdict from 12 jury members.  you never know when a real outlier will end up on the jury.  might not get 2nd or 3rd degree murder and have to settle for manslaughter.  and the judge decides on the sentence within the guidelines of the actual guilty charge (below).

 

it appears that for minnesota, 2nd degree max is 40 yrs, minimum 15 yrs.  3rd degree is 25 yrs max.  manslaughter first degree is max 15 yrs.

 

 

 

Having both murder and manslaughter charges give the jury a greater opportunity to reach a guilty verdict by agreeing on the lesser charge.  I expect the four cops will be in prison for a long time.

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Took a hell of a long time to do what was patently obvious at the outset.

No medals for that. 

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 Second degree murder is a joke. Nothing less than the death penalty should be acceptable in this case.

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7 minutes ago, cmarshall said:

Having both murder and manslaughter charges give the jury a greater opportunity to reach a guilty verdict by agreeing on the lesser charge.  I expect the four cops will be in prison for a long time.

that's right, they should get a guilty verdict, even an outlier on the jury should agree on manslaughter.  i'm not sure the other three officers will end up with the same sentence as the 'kneeler'.   and those three may not be in prison for a long time.  could end up as time served (the time they spend in jail awaiting the trial/verdict), again, the judge will decide and will have alot of discretion to give a lower amount of jail time.

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Another incident demonstrating Trump as a clueless , senseless , weak leader. 
Mr Tough guy who was a draft dodger. America has crumbled from greatness. 

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10 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’ve not seen anyone here claiming he was ‘a good guy’.

 

The issue is he was not any threat  to anyone when he was killed by the police.

I did not say anyone"here" was saying he was a good guy . but his family have ,or as his son said"my dad changed the world"🙂 well his being in it has certainly messed parts of it up big time .and as i have always said ,that cop deserves everything he gets ,

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8 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Good to hear all four will be charged. 
 

Though I have concerns that second degree murder can be proved.
 

The cop is undoubtedly a thug whose actions are directly responsible for George Floyds death, but I seriously doubt he intended to kill him. 

I thought exactly same as you until I watched this entire vid. People imploring the a-hole cops to ease up. Even after the parameds arrived, the a-hole kept it firm. Never a struggle or any resistance. Murder 2 is the correct charge and hopefully they can make it stick. 

 

 

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6 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Well yes, murder is always wrong, especially murder by the police, but race does matter.

 

Until the advent of the Black Lives Matter movement there was no systematic collection of data on the race of people killed by the police.

 

The data is essential to understand the systematic racism that is behind Black Americans being killed by police at three times the rate per capita as White Americans.

And what percent of the crimes are they committing, would really be nice to no that

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Off topic bickering posts and replies about "Manslaughter in the UK is defined as murder without premeditation" as this case is not in the UK, it is in the USA. 

 

Other off topic posts, troll posts and the replies have been removed. 

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