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12 minutes ago, Phil McCaverty said:

Unfortunately for the perp, his 3 co defendants are squealing like stuck pigs and are highly likely to turn states evidence against him.

unfortunately for chauvin, all four cops had their bodycams in operation during the entire sequence of events.

 

the jury is going to see exactly what happened from the perspective of each officer.

 

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despite the protestations of defense lawyers, they are going to watch and listen for six minutes while a helpless, handcuffed man begs for his life.

 

they are going to watch and listen when at the six-minute point one of the subordinate officers holding floyd informs his superior that floyd has no pulse.

 

they are going to watch and listen when the other officer holding floyd asks to move him.

 

they are going to watch and listen as chauvin denies their request and continues to kneel on the neck of the suspect with no pulse for another three minutes.

 

*the defense will attempt to stop the recording.  the judge will allow it.*

 

and they are going to watch and listen as bystanders are telling the cops the man is bleeding, the man can't breathe.

 

and hopefully, if they didn't "accidentally" turn off their bodycams, they are going to watch and listen as chauvin and his subordinates attempt to get their story straight.

 

 

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1 hour ago, animalmagic said:

Absolute twaddle!  Did the police officers at the time know he was high on something?

I can name several hundred police officers in several countries who would NOT have done the same.  

Wow that's good if you know All the officers in those countries . The officers are always on high alert and must/do expect the Worst in a situation. so twaddle of you hear.

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8 minutes ago, fruitman said:

Floyd broke into the home of a pregnant black lady, he robbed her and pointed his gun on her pregnant belly....

 

What a scumbag! How can they all protest for him? Loosers!

 

if that is all true, then he was arrested for that crime (without being murdered!), was charged, went to court, was convicted, and sentenced to jail.  following his time in prison, he was released, having served his sentence, paying his debt to society, a free man.

 

now it's chauvin's turn.

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George was a gentle giant, such a good boy.

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1 hour ago, ChouDoufu said:

what situation?  they got a call about a non-violent alleged forged bill!

 

this is NOT a lone highway patrolman in the middle of nowhere at 4am pulling over a car suspected of involvement with an armed robbery of a filling station with 4-5 guys inside with busted windows, broken taillights, blackened windows, and pumping out hippyhop music!

 

it's late afternoon on a busy city street.  four cops vs. one helpless, handcuffed suspect.

 

the 911 call did not say violent but did have the following:

 

A transcript of the 911 call made Monday night during George Floyd's arrest has been released by the City of Minneapolis. According to the transcript, the caller told the dispatcher there was a "tall guy" who was "awfully drunk and he's not in control of himself." 

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-floyd-death-911-transcript-minneapolis-police/

 

i should mention i read that the guy that made the 911 call was fired by the owner of the store.

 

if you've seen the full video, the two rookie cops were the first on scene.  they had the situation somewhat under control.  their main issue was they couldn't get floyd into the car.  he was obviously arrested and on his way to the station.  but they couldn't get him in the car.  then the backup unit showed up.  with the 'kneeler', he freaked out when they couldn't get him in the car (they all tried again) and then he took a knee on floyd's neck.

 

i agree with your earlier comment about the body cams in terms of assisting the case in court.  i'm sure it will get the kneeler a long sentence.  but i'm guessing it is going to get the rookies a much shorter sentence and possibly time served (unless they get bail).  they'll be in jail a year or two before this trial is over.  i'm not sure about the kneeler's partner, he seemed to be faced the other way and didn't care much.  will be interesting what happens to him.  but the rookies, apparently one guy was on his third shift (ever) and the other guy was on his fourth day, aren't going down hard for this. 

 

i can't remember all the specifics from the rodney king case but generally speaking, they ended up getting the ringleader and his main accomplice.  and that was in the second trial.  all were acquitted in the first one.  so they'll get the kneeler on a big charge, maybe his partner on a lesser charge, and probably not much for the rookies (although a year or two in jail ain't easy, but better than 15 yrs).

 

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1 hour ago, i84teen said:

Not required to prove intent under the statute.

Let the lawyers sort it out. An example definition...

 

Second-degree murder is an intentional killing, but is less serious than first-degree murder because some malicious factors aren’t present. Both first- and second-degree murder in Minnesota have aspects of the “felony murder rule.” Felony murder is when you kill a person during the commission of another felony, such as rape or burglary.

 

https://statelaws.findlaw.com/minnesota-law/minnesota-second-degree-murder.html

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1 hour ago, digger70 said:

I didn't Defend the  cops all i did was stating some Facts . 

Don't start posting Lies It makes you look like a fool.

No you did not post facts, you made assumptions

 

Mr. Floyd was a drug addict and at the time was high on Fentanyl, which is more potent than Heroin. also he was drunk That alone was enough to Use Force. Any cop any country would've done same .No Matter what Colour the crim or the cop  was.

 

I do not resile from my post...

 

It is interesting so many members are playing lawyers in their attempts to defend the killings of an African American by a white police

 

 

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17 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Let the lawyers sort it out. An example definition...

 

Second-degree murder is an intentional killing, but is less serious than first-degree murder because some malicious factors aren’t present. Both first- and second-degree murder in Minnesota have aspects of the “felony murder rule.” Felony murder is when you kill a person during the commission of another felony, such as rape or burglary.

 

https://statelaws.findlaw.com/minnesota-law/minnesota-second-degree-murder.html

Well, if you are referring to the cop, D Chauvin, there are 3 (three) counts in the amended complaint and they are:

Count 1: Charge: Second Degree Murder - Unintentional - While Committing A Felony
Minnesota Statute: 609.19.2(1)

 

Count 2: Third Degree Murder - Perpetrating Eminently Dangerous Act and Evincing Depraved Mind
Minnesota Statute: 609.195(a)

 

Count 3: Second Degree Manslaughter - Culpable Negligence Creating Unreasonable Risk
Minnesota Statute: 609.205(1)

 

What part of "unintentional" confuses you?  Just refer to the attached MN statutes which should you help better understand difference between intentional and unintentional 2nd degree murder (in Minnesota). Note that premeditation is the primary criteria differentiating 2nd and 1st degree, NOT intent.

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2 minutes ago, i84teen said:

Well, if you are referring to the cop, D Chauvin, there are 3 (three) counts in the amended complaint and they are:

Count 1: Charge: Second Degree Murder - Unintentional - While Committing A Felony
Minnesota Statute: 609.19.2(1)

 

Count 2: Third Degree Murder - Perpetrating Eminently Dangerous Act and Evincing Depraved Mind
Minnesota Statute: 609.195(a)

 

Count 3: Second Degree Manslaughter - Culpable Negligence Creating Unreasonable Risk
Minnesota Statute: 609.205(1)

 

What part of "unintentional" confuses you?  Just refer to the attached MN statutes which should you help better understand difference between intentional and unintentional 2nd degree murder (in Minnesota). Note that premeditation is the primary criteria differentiating 2nd and 1st degree, NOT intent.

OK. I'm not a lawyer. Seems odd to me 'unintentional' when cutting off blood / oxygen supply to the brain for more than eight minutes, though as said I'm not a lawyer. Assuming you have legal training can charges be upgraded / downgraded during time prior to proceedings? 

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25 minutes ago, simple1 said:

OK. I'm not a lawyer. Seems odd to me 'unintentional' when cutting off blood / oxygen supply to the brain for more than eight minutes, though as said I'm not a lawyer. Assuming you have legal training can charges be upgraded / downgraded during time prior to proceedings? 

Yes, this IS the amended complaint, the original complaint listed 2 counts only:

Count 1: Third Degree Murder - Perpetrating Eminently Dangerous Act and Evincing Depraved Mind, Minnesota Statute: 609.195(a)

Count 2: 609.205 MANSLAUGHTER IN THE SECOND DEGREE.

 

Further charges can be brought if new details or evidence emerges during the "investigations", especially if his co-accused reveal new details that can be corroborated. Some noted legal scholars have said the evidence to date could support 1st degree murder.

And no, I am not a lawyer but my youngest is, which makes me old(er)...lol

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2 hours ago, simple1 said:

No you did not post facts, you made assumptions

 

Mr. Floyd was a drug addict and at the time was high on Fentanyl, which is more potent than Heroin. also he was drunk That alone was enough to Use Force. Any cop any country would've done same .No Matter what Colour the crim or the cop  was.

 

I do not resile from my post...

 

It is interesting so many members are playing lawyers in their attempts to defend the killings of an African American by a white police

 

 

What assumptions?  I only posted what was stated in the news. I you  can't handle the Truth then so be it . you're still posting Lies. 

 

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18 minutes ago, digger70 said:

What assumptions?  I only posted what was stated in the news. I you  can't handle the Truth then so be it . you're still posting Lies. 

Read the highlighted content in my post, seems to me you're being deliberately obtuse. BTW link to the news article which states it's normal protocol for police to use force on someone who is intoxicated and doesn't present as a threat. Actually to be accurate 'homicidal force' (confirmed by two autopsies).  Back up your claim I'm lying.

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