transam Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 25 minutes ago, Krataiboy said: I'm 81 and on hypertension medication for 17 years. Keep taking the tabs..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sometime Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Krataiboy said: Unless you are over pensionable age, your chances of dying, or even getting seriously ill from COVID are negligible. The sick and elderly should be isolated. Everyone else should get on with their lives, just as we do for normal flu epidemics. To hell with the "New Normal". Insist on getting the old normal back - or prepare for a life of neo-feudalism run by self-serving politicians and deranged technocrats. You say The sick and elderly should be isolated, its nothing to do with age, I am now 70 very fit & never had a cold or flu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr mr Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 46 minutes ago, phantomfiddler said: For "New normal" read "New World Order" ???? wouldn't brave new world fit better ? ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mr mr Posted June 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 7, 2020 13 minutes ago, sometime said: never had a cold or flu i ask you to donate your body to science now for the sake of our species. it seems you are impermeable to any and all virus and bacteria on this planet. you sir are the strongest human to ever walk the earth. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natway09 Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 Not law ! No Law ! How about caring for others,,,,Sounds like a spoilt brat US or Brit ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overherebc Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 3 hours ago, transam said: Bet you're not sick and elderly.... To be honest mate I am but I agree with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DB58 Posted June 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 7, 2020 3 hours ago, bodga said: Yes as the rest of your family could earn an income to support you, alternatively you can all end up with no money,if were talking Thai families, economies in ruins. Well I am a high risk old guy, after being a firefighter for 40 years I looked death in the eyes more than once. Retired and got throat cancer 4 years ago... One day the reaper gonna get us all; I would much rather from covid-19 surrounded by my children and grandchildren tomorrow than 10-years from now after giving up their hugs. I will not accept the new normal, and will move to someplace where people share that belief and live life like humans. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post herfiehandbag Posted June 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 7, 2020 5 hours ago, Krataiboy said: a life of neo-feudalism run by self-serving politicians and deranged technocrats. The best description of "the new normal" I have seen. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali farong Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 I agree with comments about this B S virus being all about the money. The rich get richer and unfortunately the poor are getting very poor. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammieuk1 Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 Love the way fine figures are plucked out thin air and land on a ridiculous amount but the up to 5 years jail time is missing governor ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krataiboy Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 5 hours ago, sometime said: You say The sick and elderly should be isolated, its nothing to do with age, I am now 70 very fit & never had a cold or flu I was really talking about public policy, primarily in relation to care homes which have borne the brunt of the virus. Non-institutionalised individuals are entitled to decide for themselveds whether or not they wish to isolate, bearing in mind that the risk of becoming seriously ill or dying of COVID increase with age. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krataiboy Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 5 hours ago, mr mr said: wouldn't brave new world fit better ? ???? Read this and make up your own mind. https://unnwo.org/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwood1 Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 8 hours ago, digger70 said: Here we go again,Playing Big brother in a Province . Big brother mustn't forget that there is Not a Legal Law in Thailand that one Has to wear a mask outside ones home or on the street ,the only thing they can do is If one wants to enter a shop or a building is that they can Refuse one to Enter. That THB 20K is for someone to make illegal easy Pocket Money. Just enter a shop with the mask on then take the bloody thing off problem solved... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwood1 Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 7 hours ago, tribalfusion001 said: It's called keeping the fear in place and it's easier to control the people. The mask wearing constantly reinforces the whole covid thing.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatrickid Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, Krataiboy said: Chanthaburi province announcing a D-Day against people leaving their homes without masks. Inappropriate, if not downright insulting to the memory to thousands of brave Allied servicemen and women who perished fighting fascism. And what a cruel irony that governments around the world are now using a phony war against an invisible enemy to undermine the very rights and freedoms our forebears fought so valiantly to preserve. RIP. Phony? And you expect intelligent rational people to accept that there isn't a pandemic? Exactly what rights and freedoms have been curtailed? The wearing of a mask in a public venue is hardly an imposition. The request to maintain proper hygiene or to keep 2 meters away from other people is not an infringement of civil liberties. On the contrary it acts to protect the rights of others not to be exposed to those who are infected or who are irresponsible. Your hyperbole is over the top. A little bit of co-operation and some limited mild inconvenience will allow society to beat this pandemic. 11 hours ago, sukhumvitneon said: My grandfather would've never got on the boat to France during WWII if he saw the world they way it exists now, and that's including the pre covid era And you spoke to your grandfather about this? Have you stopped to consider that the world is the way it is today because of the actions of people like your grandfather? His generation made the decisions both small and large which have given us today's world. Don't attach your bias and prejudice to people who may have had a different reason than what you may assume. 10 hours ago, Krataiboy said: All wars are bankers' wars, deliberately started by the rich and powerful, knowing they will profit no matter what the outcome. The phony "war" against the so-called COVID virus is no different. It will end up widening the wealth gap and give even greater control to politicians and the burgeoning technocracy. Not a sunny outlook, I fear. More nonsense. Wars are fought for scarce resources such as land, food, minerals or water. The American invasion of Mexico or the India/Pakistan ongoing conflict has land and water resources as one of its root causes. The European invasion of Asia was motivated by many reasons, the least of which was "bankers''. Sometimes wars are fought because of ingrained hatreds such as the Rwanda/Burundi genocide. Bankers' interests are a convenient deflection to allow individuals and societies to avoid taking responsibility. Societies make the decision to go to war, not bankers. It is society that has the vested interest to manage and stop the pandemic. Bankers are along for the ride and bankers are just as much at risk as their clients. Covid 19 does not differentiate between banker and mechanic or accountant. No need to toss out the rhetoric from the bankrupt political sloganeering of the last century. The world's financial markets evolved beyond "bankers". 10 hours ago, Krataiboy said: Unless you are over pensionable age, your chances of dying, or even getting seriously ill from COVID are negligible. The sick and elderly should be isolated. Everyone else should get on with their lives, just as we do for normal flu epidemics. To hell with the "New Normal". Insist on getting the old normal back - or prepare for a life of neo-feudalism run by self-serving politicians and deranged technocrats. This is the kind of ignorant rubbish that infuriates me, The issue has never been about dying, but is one of long term health impact. COVID 19 isn't just a respiratory related illness, but is a savage circulatory disease. It is leaving young people physically damaged and with a higher risk of stroke and heart attack than that of the uninfected population. When the term "recovered" is used, that means having cleared the virus from the body. it does not mean that the lung tissue scarring is repaired and that the organ damage has gone away. It will take months if not years for most to fully recover. Your claim is infuriating because it is the same argument that was used to argue against safety measures for industry because the long term effects of an exposure took time to manifest themselves. Just as it takes 10-25 years for exposure to various toxins to manifest their negative impact, the lung damage impact won't be seen in younger patients until they are in midlife and have exposure to other illnesses. Damaged lungs are more susceptible to new respiratory illnesses. Damaged lungs result in pulmonary related disease. Covid19 leavs the body's circulatory system inflamed and we know that the inflammation of the circulatory system is what results in heart attack and stroke. You have measured the impact using deaths and that is the simpleton's approach. The disease containment measures are not tossed out for the heck of it, but are intended to protect everyone. 10 hours ago, poskat said: when was the last virus case in these locales? how about using some actual epidemiological evidence rather than fear and conformity Thailand is doing the best that it can to test the immediate need cases. Thailand is trying to apply measures that reduce the spread of infection in areas where there are indeed known infections or where there have been infections. Covid 19 carriers who are asymptomatic are not easily identifiable. It can be done through a use of active infection and antibody testing that uses a process of elimination, but this is expensive and requires resources that impoverished Thai provinces do not have. They are working with the limited resources that they have. 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Bruno123 Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 9 hours ago, Thomas J said: sukhumvitneon I think that the majority of men who lost their lives fighting WWII would reconsider if they saw how the world has turned out. Look at England it fought to keep itself from being invaded from Germans only to pay to be taken over by Muslims. The USA is not any better. It fought the Germans and Japanese and now is an open invitation to anyone. It has no borders to protect any longer. That what happens when you sell everything to the highest bidder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post redwood1 Posted June 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 7, 2020 49 minutes ago, geriatrickid said: Phony? And you expect intelligent rational people to accept that there isn't a pandemic? Exactly what rights and freedoms have been curtailed? The wearing of a mask in a public venue is hardly an imposition. The request to maintain proper hygiene or to keep 2 meters away from other people is not an infringement of civil liberties. On the contrary it acts to protect the rights of others not to be exposed to those who are infected or who are irresponsible. Your hyperbole is over the top. A little bit of co-operation and some limited mild inconvenience will allow society to beat this pandemic. And you spoke to your grandfather about this? Have you stopped to consider that the world is the way it is today because of the actions of people like your grandfather? His generation made the decisions both small and large which have given us today's world. Don't attach your bias and prejudice to people who may have had a different reason than what you may assume. More nonsense. Wars are fought for scarce resources such as land, food, minerals or water. The American invasion of Mexico or the India/Pakistan ongoing conflict has land and water resources as one of its root causes. The European invasion of Asia was motivated by many reasons, the least of which was "bankers''. Sometimes wars are fought because of ingrained hatreds such as the Rwanda/Burundi genocide. Bankers' interests are a convenient deflection to allow individuals and societies to avoid taking responsibility. Societies make the decision to go to war, not bankers. It is society that has the vested interest to manage and stop the pandemic. Bankers are along for the ride and bankers are just as much at risk as their clients. Covid 19 does not differentiate between banker and mechanic or accountant. No need to toss out the rhetoric from the bankrupt political sloganeering of the last century. The world's financial markets evolved beyond "bankers". This is the kind of ignorant rubbish that infuriates me, The issue has never been about dying, but is one of long term health impact. COVID 19 isn't just a respiratory related illness, but is a savage circulatory disease. It is leaving young people physically damaged and with a higher risk of stroke and heart attack than that of the uninfected population. When the term "recovered" is used, that means having cleared the virus from the body. it does not mean that the lung tissue scarring is repaired and that the organ damage has gone away. It will take months if not years for most to fully recover. Your claim is infuriating because it is the same argument that was used to argue against safety measures for industry because the long term effects of an exposure took time to manifest themselves. Just as it takes 10-25 years for exposure to various toxins to manifest their negative impact, the lung damage impact won't be seen in younger patients until they are in midlife and have exposure to other illnesses. Damaged lungs are more susceptible to new respiratory illnesses. Damaged lungs result in pulmonary related disease. Covid19 leavs the body's circulatory system inflamed and we know that the inflammation of the circulatory system is what results in heart attack and stroke. You have measured the impact using deaths and that is the simpleton's approach. The disease containment measures are not tossed out for the heck of it, but are intended to protect everyone. Thailand is doing the best that it can to test the immediate need cases. Thailand is trying to apply measures that reduce the spread of infection in areas where there are indeed known infections or where there have been infections. Covid 19 carriers who are asymptomatic are not easily identifiable. It can be done through a use of active infection and antibody testing that uses a process of elimination, but this is expensive and requires resources that impoverished Thai provinces do not have. They are working with the limited resources that they have. Sir if your so gung-ho on the masks by all means wear them....But also respect the choice of those who choose not to wear them....Your mask should protect you from the non mask wearers...Right? 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venom Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 18 hours ago, Aussieroaming said: Its interesting how different countries have appoached this. Where I am at present they came out of lockdown 3 weeks ago and the locals have ignored all social distancing rules and mask use. The rate of infection has halved in the time since lockdown, so I don't know what to believe. I'm still keeping my distance from anyone and socially isolating but I'm the exception. Sounds nice, which country is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgMech Cowboy Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 20 hours ago, Krataiboy said: And what a cruel irony that governments around the world are now using a phony war against an invisible enemy to undermine the very rights and freedoms our forebears fought so valiantly to preserve. Yes, and I'm wondering when Thailand will return to the name Siam, because they sure threw out the 'free' that Thailand represented in it's name. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post geriatrickid Posted June 8, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 8, 2020 9 hours ago, redwood1 said: Sir if your so gung-ho on the masks by all means wear them....But also respect the choice of those who choose not to wear them....Your mask should protect you from the non mask wearers...Right? The purpose of the mask is to reduce the spread of contagion. People cough, sneeze and spit when they speak. The wearing of the mask protects others more than it does the wearer. YOu do not wish to wear a mask. Fine. Do not wear a mask on your own property and do not wear a mask with those who do not have a concern about your spitting/sneezing/coughing/spraying or otherwise sharing your possible contagion with them. Commercial enterprises have the legal right to require the wearing of a mask. It is also within the moral and legal domain of a government or other civil authority to require the wearing of a mask in venues where a safe physical distance cannot be maintained. How about this, in those cases where people who have chosen not to wear a mask are found to be infected through testing, they shall be incarcerated / fined and held liable for any civil damages that ensue. Should they be implicated in the death or serious injuries of others, these people should be executed. Responsibility is a two way street. I find that those who object to wearing masks are also the first to object to being held responsible for the injuries and damage they cause. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Krataiboy Posted June 8, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 8, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, geriatrickid said: Phony? And you expect intelligent rational people to accept that there isn't a pandemic? Exactly what rights and freedoms have been curtailed? The wearing of a mask in a public venue is hardly an imposition. The request to maintain proper hygiene or to keep 2 meters away from other people is not an infringement of civil liberties. On the contrary it acts to protect the rights of others not to be exposed to those who are infected or who are irresponsible. Your hyperbole is over the top. A little bit of co-operation and some limited mild inconvenience will allow society to beat this pandemic. More nonsense. Wars are fought for scarce resources such as land, food, minerals or water. The American invasion of Mexico or the India/Pakistan ongoing conflict has land and water resources as one of its root causes. The European invasion of Asia was motivated by many reasons, the least of which was "bankers''. Sometimes wars are fought because of ingrained hatreds such as the Rwanda/Burundi genocide. Bankers' interests are a convenient deflection to allow individuals and societies to avoid taking responsibility. Societies make the decision to go to war, not bankers. It is society that has the vested interest to manage and stop the pandemic. Bankers are along for the ride and bankers are just as much at risk as their clients. Covid 19 does not differentiate between banker and mechanic or accountant. No need to toss out the rhetoric from the bankrupt political sloganeering of the last century. The world's financial markets evolved beyond "bankers". This is the kind of ignorant rubbish that infuriates me, The issue has never been about dying, but is one of long term health impact. COVID 19 isn't just a respiratory related illness, but is a savage circulatory disease. It is leaving young people physically damaged and with a higher risk of stroke and heart attack than that of the uninfected population. When the term "recovered" is used, that means having cleared the virus from the body. it does not mean that the lung tissue scarring is repaired and that the organ damage has gone away. It will take months if not years for most to fully recover. Your claim is infuriating because it is the same argument that was used to argue against safety measures for industry because the long term effects of an exposure took time to manifest themselves. Just as it takes 10-25 years for exposure to various toxins to manifest their negative impact, the lung damage impact won't be seen in younger patients until they are in midlife and have exposure to other illnesses. Damaged lungs are more susceptible to new respiratory illnesses. Damaged lungs result in pulmonary related disease. Covid19 leavs the body's circulatory system inflamed and we know that the inflammation of the circulatory system is what results in heart attack and stroke. You have measured the impact using deaths and that is the simpleton's approach. The disease containment measures are not tossed out for the heck of it, but are intended to protect everyone. If you are going to become "infuriated" (twice), at least do so over something I actually said, rather than what you claim I said. I wrote of "a phony war against an invisible enemy" and stand by my conclusion that the pandemic is being used as a pretext to engineer massive social, political and economic change. This view happens to be shared by many "rational intelligent people" not only on this forum but across the world. What a shame you are not (yet) one of them. Edited June 8, 2020 by Krataiboy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nielsen Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 13 hours ago, Krataiboy said: Read this and make up your own mind. https://unnwo.org/ I think enforced abnormal would be more suitable. Yes, it would seem that the lunatics are running the asylum at the UN now. Have you read UN Agenda 2030? 1984 ain't got anything on this. Then there is Agenda 21 another "delightful" read. https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/content/documents/21252030 Agenda for Sustainable Development web.pdf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krataiboy Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 19 minutes ago, Nielsen said: I think enforced abnormal would be more suitable. Yes, it would seem that the lunatics are running the asylum at the UN now. Have you read UN Agenda 2030? 1984 ain't got anything on this. Then there is Agenda 21 another "delightful" read. https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/content/documents/21252030 Agenda for Sustainable Development web.pdf It probably won't surprise you to know that I am conversant with Agenda 21/30, now rolling out worldwide while the mainstream media yawns and looks the other way. Interesting to see the UN now openly admitting the New World Order agenda is no mere conspiracy theory but also confirming their status as the driving force behind it. Clearly, they believe it is already "game over" for the sheeple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Anton9 Posted June 8, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 8, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, geriatrickid said: The purpose of the mask is to reduce the spread of contagion. People cough, sneeze and spit when they speak. The wearing of the mask protects others more than it does the wearer. YOu do not wish to wear a mask. Fine. Do not wear a mask on your own property and do not wear a mask with those who do not have a concern about your spitting/sneezing/coughing/spraying or otherwise sharing your possible contagion with them. Commercial enterprises have the legal right to require the wearing of a mask. It is also within the moral and legal domain of a government or other civil authority to require the wearing of a mask in venues where a safe physical distance cannot be maintained. How about this, in those cases where people who have chosen not to wear a mask are found to be infected through testing, they shall be incarcerated / fined and held liable for any civil damages that ensue. Should they be implicated in the death or serious injuries of others, these people should be executed. Responsibility is a two way street. I find that those who object to wearing masks are also the first to object to being held responsible for the injuries and damage they cause. You should stop driving your car, you might accidentally hurt someone. And the chances are much, much higher than dying of this virus. Edited June 8, 2020 by Anton9 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chainarong Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 On 6/7/2020 at 2:56 PM, Aussieroaming said: Its interesting how different countries have appoached this. Where I am at present they came out of lockdown 3 weeks ago and the locals have ignored all social distancing rules and mask use. The rate of infection has halved in the time since lockdown, so I don't know what to believe. I'm still keeping my distance from anyone and socially isolating but I'm the exception. In OZ face mask are an option, especially traveling on public transport, other than that right through out the Covid 19 process no masks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nong38 Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 If the figures that have been pedaled from the Government are correct I don't see why even more draconian measures are required, I thought we were coming out of the so called crisis. We have so far seen 7 million cases world wide out of a world population of 7.8 billion this virus has been blown out of all proportion and has led to even more personal restrictions of freedom, does anyone remember the Prisoner and number 6, his prediction of the future? It all about control and power. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fab5BKK Posted June 8, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 8, 2020 Just 2 numbers: 1. Since the start of Covid 19: roughly 50 deaths in Thailand 2. Everyday in Thailand, more than 50 people die on the roads. Regarding point # 1: lots of measures: confinement, state of emergency, curfew, tracking systems, etc. Regarding point # 2: N O T H I N G! ??? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussieroaming Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 12 hours ago, Venom said: Sounds nice, which country is that? Kazakhstan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connda Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 On 6/7/2020 at 1:56 PM, Aussieroaming said: Its interesting how different countries have appoached this. Where I am at present they came out of lockdown 3 weeks ago and the locals have ignored all social distancing rules and mask use. The rate of infection has halved in the time since lockdown, so I don't know what to believe. I'm still keeping my distance from anyone and socially isolating but I'm the exception. " so I don't know what to believe." Try you've been lied to. That's a good start. Then check out independent epidemiologists and virologist who are not connected to the pharmacy industry or the Gate's foundation network. Their research and expertise will explain why this seasonal virus hasn't turned into the world killer that Gates and his friends in industry, media, and government had promised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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