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13 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

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Yet another powerful post from thaibeachlovers. He sure has a way with emojis in lieu of facts!

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5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The way it's going the US will hit herd immunity way ahead of the rest of the world and be ready to motor ahead under Trump's second term. They already have increases in employment, so it's looking good.

No, Sweden is ahead of the US on the herd immunity gamble.  Care to see how it's going?

 

"Sweden’s top epidemiologist has admitted his strategy to fight Covid-19 resulted in too many deaths, after persuading his country to avoid a strict lockdown."...

 

"At 43 deaths per 100,000, Sweden’s mortality rate is among the highest globally and far exceeds that of neighboring Denmark and Norway, which imposed much tougher lockdowns at the onset of the pandemic."   https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-03/man-behind-sweden-s-virus-strategy-says-he-got-some-things-wrong

 

  

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5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

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When that's the best you've got, well....

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1 minute ago, heybruce said:

When that's the best you've got, well....

Actually quite apt if either it symbolized fiddler on the roof metaphor for surviving in Trump's life of uncertainty or Nero metaphor on fiddling while US pandemic raged. 

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On 7/3/2020 at 1:30 PM, johnpetersen said:

More significantly, hospitalizations are way up.  It's only a matter of time before deaths start to spike, too, despite the significant improvements in care and treatment.

and what "significant improvements in care and treatment" would that be? Far as I know they still haven't decided if mechanical respirators are a good idea or not, there is no drug to cure a virus and a vaccine is only a hope.

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On 7/3/2020 at 8:51 PM, heybruce said:

No, Sweden is ahead of the US on the herd immunity gamble.  Care to see how it's going?

 

"Sweden’s top epidemiologist has admitted his strategy to fight Covid-19 resulted in too many deaths, after persuading his country to avoid a strict lockdown."...

 

"At 43 deaths per 100,000, Sweden’s mortality rate is among the highest globally and far exceeds that of neighboring Denmark and Norway, which imposed much tougher lockdowns at the onset of the pandemic."   https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-03/man-behind-sweden-s-virus-strategy-says-he-got-some-things-wrong

 

  

As anyone that has paid attention knows, that was because they didn't isolate the vulnerable. The death rate of healthy individuals without underlying health problems is quite low, isn't it?

All lockdowns do is delay the infection of the population that is without immunity. Unless a country wishes to remain in lockdown ( for potentially years ) it's inevitable that there will be a second wave. Most will not have more than symptoms similar to flu and I expect almost all to survive, except for those with health problems.

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18 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

and what "significant improvements in care and treatment" would that be? Far as I know they still haven't decided if mechanical respirators are a good idea or not, there is no drug to cure a virus and a vaccine is only a hope.

remdesivir, steroids,  less use of mechanical ventilators instead using CPAP machines and bilevel positive airway pressure devices, having patients lie face down... 

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8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

As anyone that has paid attention knows, that was because they didn't isolate the vulnerable. The death rate of healthy individuals without underlying health problems is quite low, isn't it?

All lockdowns do is delay the infection of the population that is without immunity. Unless a country wishes to remain in lockdown ( for potentially years ) it's inevitable that there will be a second wave. Most will not have more than symptoms similar to flu and I expect almost all to survive, except for those with health problems.

Right, and we are doing a great job of isolating the vulnerable, aren't we?

 

"Nursing home residents account for nearly 1 in 10 of all the coronavirus cases in the United States and more than a quarter of the deaths, according to an Associated Press analysis of government data released Thursday."   https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/nursing-homes-represent-more-1-4-covid-19-deaths-u-n1231547

 

Add to that the fact that herd immunity is a conjecture, not a proven fact, and the argument for business as usual becomes very weak.

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On 7/2/2020 at 4:47 PM, heybruce said:

Why would a rational person surmise there is a lot of illegal voting going on?  The risks are high, criminal prosecution followed by expulsion from the country.  The rewards, an insignificant chance of influencing an election, are low to non-existent.

 

As has been explained repeatedly, getting an ID that the state will accept for voting is not easy for many eligible citizens.  Repeating that it is easy over and over again does not change a lie into the truth.

A rational person would surmise a lot of illegal voting is going on because the chances of getting caught are so low. It's much like why a lot of people drive over the speed limit. This is very basic stuff.

 

Now where on Earth did you get the crazy idea that getting an ID or anything else in life needs to be easy? That concept is just plain bizarre.

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10 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

A rational person would surmise a lot of illegal voting is going on because the chances of getting caught are so low. It's much like why a lot of people drive over the speed limit. This is very basic stuff.

 

Now where on Earth did you get the crazy idea that getting an ID or anything else in life needs to be easy? That concept is just plain bizarre.

The chances of getting caught may be low but the penalties are pretty disastrous. And what would be the incentive that would outweigh the penalties?

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12 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Now where on Earth did you get the crazy idea that getting an ID or anything else in life needs to be easy? That concept is just plain bizarre.

Because voting is a right. Not something you have to earn.

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Just now, johnpetersen said:

The chances of getting caught may be low but the penalties are pretty disastrous. And what would be the incentive that would outweigh the penalties?

I don't know. Ask the people who get caught.

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Just now, johnpetersen said:

Because voting is a right. Not something you have to earn.

SCOTUS has upheld voter ID. 

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