CLS Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 Europe will allow outsiders to begin entering again on July 1, but the U.S. and Russia are now among the nations considered too risky because they have not controlled the coronavirus outbreak. The full list finalized on Friday includes Algeria, Australia, Canada, Georgia, Japan, Montenegro, Morocco, New Zealand, Rwanda, Serbia, South Korea, Thailand, Tunisia, Uruguay, Andorra, San Marino, Monaco and the Vatican. China will be included if it also opens its borders to European Union travelers, as reciprocal reopening is one of the criteria used to make the final selection for the safe list. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/26/world/europe/europe-us-travel-ban.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Denis Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 Thanks for sharing. The article does not mention transit-flights. When flying with Emirates from Bangkok to my final destination in Europe, there will be a 2-3-4 hour stop-over in Dubai. Does anybody know whether the E.U.A. is on the list of safe countries? And if not, whether just passing there in transit would be an obstacle? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLS Posted June 27, 2020 Author Share Posted June 27, 2020 Read the last paragraph again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLS Posted June 27, 2020 Author Share Posted June 27, 2020 Is this reciprocity only required for China or did the other countries agree upon too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Denis Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 9 minutes ago, CLS said: Is this reciprocity only required for China or did the other countries agree upon too? Good question! The EU opened its borders for travellers arriving from Thailand, but does Thailand allow travellers from EU to enter Thailand? And if so, under which conditions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sambotte Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 Clear as mud... What about the risk to not been allowed to make the return, if anything suddenly change ? Transits ? Previous travels ? Or based solely on passport ??? What about quarantines ? What if 1 passenger is detected sick after take-off ? All in quarantine ? Nice vacations... Good luck for traveling like that. And i am a very eager to travel again, but "normally". Will never work. Tourism will be on "perfusion" with over-complicated rules changing every month, until a vaccine, if it works, or until they find a rapid accurate test and produce it en masse. And that's the only way IMO, strange not many action in this direction ? Test on departure, good to go, or no-go, period. Big + : will not be affected by some news-panic. And same rule for everyone, anywhere, anytime. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorpusChristie Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Peter Denis said: Good question! The EU opened its borders for travellers arriving from Thailand, but does Thailand allow travellers from EU to enter Thailand? And if so, under which conditions. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sqwakvfr Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 Sounds fair to me. An American who has lived in Thailand for years and has not been back to the US since the pandemic will be barred. Got it. But the only real way to deal with imported cases is: 1) COVID 19 test on arrival 2) Quarantine even if the test is negative. 3) Test again at the 8 to 10 day mark. 4) If negative then safe to enter. The Australian Defense Forces used this method when 200 US Marines came from Okinawa for Military Exercises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLS Posted June 27, 2020 Author Share Posted June 27, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, sqwakvfr said: Sounds fair to me. An American who has lived in Thailand for years and has not been back to the US since the pandemic will be barred. Got it. But the only real way to deal with imported cases is: 1) COVID 19 test on arrival 2) Quarantine even if the test is negative. 3) Test again at the 8 to 10 day mark. 4) If negative then safe to enter. The Australian Defense Forces used this method when 200 US Marines came from Okinawa for Military Exercises. I think you got that wrong. It’s by country, not nationality. Edited June 27, 2020 by CLS 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yuyiinthesky Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 8 hours ago, CLS said: China will be included if it also opens its borders to European Union travelers, as reciprocal reopening is one of the criteria used to make the final selection for the safe list. That sounds as if they knew on Friday that Thailand will also - reciprocal - open for Europeans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLS Posted June 27, 2020 Author Share Posted June 27, 2020 (edited) I wish so. But the article leaves room for interpretation. Edited June 27, 2020 by CLS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLS Posted June 27, 2020 Author Share Posted June 27, 2020 31 minutes ago, CLS said: I wish so. But the article leaves room for interpretation. According to the newspaper we cannot quote, it’s reciprocal for all countries on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorpusChristie Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 6 minutes ago, CLS said: According to the newspaper we cannot quote, it’s reciprocal for all countries on the list. It doesnt read that way , it says Countries on the list would have to agree to reciprocal measures and Thailand has yet to agree to that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sezze Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 3 hours ago, CorpusChristie said: It doesnt read that way , it says Countries on the list would have to agree to reciprocal measures and Thailand has yet to agree to that It states reciprocal opening , not measures . Meaning , the country cannot be denied 1 way . Thailand is opening for foreigners , but measures are in place . Before ( still is ) it was closed 100% . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorpusChristie Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 1 hour ago, sezze said: It states reciprocal opening , not measures . Meaning , the country cannot be denied 1 way . Thailand is opening for foreigners , but measures are in place . Before ( still is ) it was closed 100% . No, Thailand has yet to agree to the offer , they might point blankly refuse the offer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLS Posted June 28, 2020 Author Share Posted June 28, 2020 (edited) 21 hours ago, CorpusChristie said: No, Thailand has yet to agree to the offer , they might point blankly refuse the offer Nothing is finalized or approved yet. But one thing is clear. If Thailand wants to remain on the list, they must accept reciprocity and drop the quarantine requirement. From bubble jabber to free movement. Edited June 28, 2020 by CLS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLS Posted June 29, 2020 Author Share Posted June 29, 2020 I like the Czech stance. https://news.expats.cz/weekly-czech-news/czech-republic-to-add-about-10-non-eu-countries-to-list-of-safe-travel-destinations-from-july-1/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLS Posted June 29, 2020 Author Share Posted June 29, 2020 List is officially confirmed. One-sided agreement without reciprocity. No links to English websites yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLS Posted June 29, 2020 Author Share Posted June 29, 2020 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53222356 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLS Posted June 29, 2020 Author Share Posted June 29, 2020 For Oz and Kiwis:https://au.news.yahoo.com/european-union-to-open-borders-to-aussie-travellers-213836403.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestro Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Removed an off-topic post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJAS Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 18 hours ago, CLS said: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53222356 But beware! To quote from that link:- "The unanimous decision by the European Council is not legally binding, so states can choose not to open up to all those countries." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLS Posted June 30, 2020 Author Share Posted June 30, 2020 57 minutes ago, OJAS said: But beware! To quote from that link:- "The unanimous decision by the European Council is not legally binding, so states can choose not to open up to all those countries." This was only the backup link. The Council’s of Europe decisions has never been legally binding. But anyway it’s being used as guideline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 On 6/29/2020 at 4:33 AM, CLS said: Nothing is finalized or approved yet. But one thing is clear. If Thailand wants to remain on the list, they must accept reciprocity and drop the quarantine requirement. From bubble jabber to free movement. No it doesn't you can be open and accept Tourists from the EU and still have quarantine rules in place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLS Posted June 30, 2020 Author Share Posted June 30, 2020 48 minutes ago, vinny41 said: No it doesn't you can be open and accept Tourists from the EU and still have quarantine rules in place If you follow EU’s legislation, you know they never accepted one-sided free movement and many EU members pointed out that reciprocity should be mandatory to remain on the list. But in the end it’s a weighing up of interests and the biggest lobbyist takes it all. Reciprocity means exactly same rules, not only to be allowed in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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