income affidavit retirement extension

[chris_samui]

Does anyone knows if "Income Affidavits" from the Embassy (Belgium) are still accepted at CW immigration Bangkok.

Any recent experiences?

 

Thanks

[ubonjoe]

It will be accepted by immigration.

[chris_samui]

Thanks Joe for quick reply

[fvw53]

17 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

It will be accepted by immigration.

Indeed and this is because Immigration cannot read the Dutch, French and German small print on the legalisation that the Embassy only confirms the signature and not the content of the affidavit

[mrmicbkktxl]

21 minutes ago, fvw53 said:

Indeed and this is because Immigration cannot read the Dutch, French and German small print on the legalisation that the Embassy only confirms the signature and not the content of the affidavit

Total nonsense

[merijn]

51 minutes ago, fvw53 said:

Indeed and this is because Immigration cannot read the Dutch, French and German small print on the legalisation that the Embassy only confirms the signature and not the content of the affidavit

BS, The Dutch affidavit (and from others) is a income certification which has to be proven and checked before being issued.

[Peter Denis]

10 minutes ago, merijn said:

BS, The Dutch affidavit (and from others) is a income certification which has to be proven and checked before being issued.

Seems to depend on the Embassy.

At the Belgian Embassy in Bangkok, the applicant for the Income Statement simply has to fill in the Embassy Affidavit form stating his annual and monthly income, and then sign it with the Embassy staff witnessing him signing.  No need to show any proof of that income (confirmed by someone who did this 3 weeks ago), as it is a statement on 'honor' and the Embassy stamp and signature only confirms that it was indeed you that signed the statement.

[Peter Denis]

18 hours ago, chris_samui said:

Does anyone knows if "Income Affidavits" from the Embassy (Belgium) are still accepted at CW immigration Bangkok.

Any recent experiences?

TVF member and Belgian citizen @AlfHuy did get the income affidavit at the Belgian Embassy in Bangkok 3-4 weeks ago, and successfully used that Affidavit to apply at CW for the 1-year extension based on his Non Imm O-A Visa for reason of retirement. 

[Peter Denis]

1 hour ago, fvw53 said:

Indeed and this is because Immigration cannot read the Dutch, French and German small print on the legalisation that the Embassy only confirms the signature and not the content of the affidavit

Immigration knows full well that the Affidavit issued by some Embassies only confirms the signature.  That being also the reason that the Immigration Officer handling your application for the Non Imm O Visa or 1-year extension of stay based on that Visa, has the discretionary power to ask for evidence of the SOURCE of the foreign income as stated on that Affidavit.

[drbeach]

3 hours ago, fvw53 said:

Indeed and this is because Immigration cannot read the Dutch, French and German small print on the legalisation that the Embassy only confirms the signature and not the content of the affidavit

Statements issued by the Belgium embassy are made in one the national languages (usually not all 3) with a translation in English.

[Peter Denis]

7 minutes ago, drbeach said:

Statements issued by the Belgium embassy are made in one the national languages (usually not all 3) with a translation in English.

Attached a copy of the Affidavit form to be filled in by the applicant.

It has to be signed in the presence of the Embassy staff and no need to provide any evidence of the monthly income you declare, as it is a statement on honor.

 

 

Affidavit Pension_en.doc

[Max69xl]

21 hours ago, chris_samui said:

Thanks Joe for quick reply

Isn't it an income letter you get from your embassy/consulate based on your official pension/income?

An affidavit is not same as an income letter which is based on an actual income certified by your pension provider, while an affidavit is more of a sworn statement. 

[Max69xl]

32 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

Attached a copy of the Affidavit form to be filled in by the applicant.

It has to be signed in the presence of the Embassy staff and no need to provide any evidence of the monthly income you declare, as it is a statement on honor.

 

 

Affidavit Pension_en.doc 26 kB · 0 downloads

That's just a bogus statement and the reason for the non-existing affidavits from the US,UK and Australian embassies/consulates. Even the "income letter" from the Canadian embassy has being questioned because it doesn't show the source of the money. 

[KhunBENQ]

3 hours ago, mrmicbkktxl said:

Total nonsense

Yes, for German pension there is no affidavit but a confirmation based on documents.

German embassy even requires to see original pension document for first issue.

After that copies accepted.

German consul in Pattaya also requires proof.

That it is sometimes handled by the assistant somewhat careless is a different story.

 

If interested: list of requirements of German embassy (German language) by PM.

Edited June 28, 2020 by KhunBENQ

[Peter Denis]

11 minutes ago, Max69xl said:

That's just a bogus statement and the reason for the non-existing affidavits from the US,UK and Australian embassies/consulates. Even the "income letter" from the Canadian embassy has being questioned because it doesn't show the source of the money. 

The Belgian national who used that 'bogus statement' got his 1-year extension of stay approved at CW with no questions asked about source of income.

[Pattaya46]

4 hours ago, fvw53 said:

Indeed and this is because Immigration cannot read the Dutch, French and German small print on the legalisation that the Embassy only confirms the signature and not the content of the affidavit

Uh? If I take my country as an example (France), the document for Thai Immigration showing monthly incomes is in English, and I bet it's similar for many non-english speaking countries.

[fvw53]

22 hours ago, merijn said:

BS, The Dutch affidavit (and from others) is a income certification which has to be proven and checked before being issued.

The Belgian affidavit is your own declaration signed by you and of which the Embassy only certifies it is you who signed (this is the Belgian policy for legalization since I needed it for the first time 50 years ago. 

[AlfHuy]

Exactly.

I got my Affidavit from my embassy (Belgian) and it was accepted by immigration in BKK. No questions asked.

"maybe we, the Belgians are known for not fine tuning and manipulating documents".

[OJAS]

22 hours ago, Peter Denis said:

No need to show any proof of that income (confirmed by someone who did this 3 weeks ago)

And yet the British Embassy, who did require specific proof of income, still saw fit to withdraw their income confirmation service on the grounds that they judged the minimal effort required on their part in complying witb the Immigration Bureau's requirements (e.g. establishing a secure link with HMRC which could have been used to verify pension income in a matter of seconds, plus investing in a suitable rubber stamp (and ink pad) to plonk on the verified evidence - not to mention the "herculean effort" required on the part of a consular official in adding their signature to a stamped endorsement) to be too much for them!!

Edited June 29, 2020 by OJAS

[fvw53]

3 hours ago, AlfHuy said:

Exactly.

I got my Affidavit from my embassy (Belgian) and it was accepted by immigration in BKK. No questions asked.

"maybe we, the Belgians are known for not fine tuning and manipulating documents".

In Pathum Thani they want this affidavit supported by a letter from the bank confirming monthly bank transfers from abroad to Thai account

[Peter Denis]

48 minutes ago, fvw53 said:

In Pathum Thani they want this affidavit supported by a letter from the bank confirming monthly bank transfers from abroad to Thai account

If the Pathum Thani IO wants evidence of monthly income transfers to your personal thai bank-account on top of the Affidavit, they actually want you to apply the monthly-income transfer method.  And hence there is no reason to do the effort and get the Affidavit at your Embassy.

[luckyluke]

In Pattaya the Austrian Consulate provide a "Letter of Income" to Belgian and other nationalities.

The "Letter of Income" is different to an "Affidavit" as it mention :

" We herewith certify that..."

and is signed by the Consul General or the Vice Consul.

Documents proving the income has to be presented.

[LazySlipper]

Mine was refused in Rayong. They wanted to see proof of deposits (marriage visa) which when we had gone in to ask about all documents a month earlier they did not even mention.

[steve187]

15 hours ago, Peter Denis said:

If the Pathum Thani IO wants evidence of monthly income transfers to your personal thai bank-account on top of the Affidavit, they actually want you to apply the monthly-income transfer method.  And hence there is no reason to do the effort and get the Affidavit at your Embassy.

i think you will find that the letter is a required document if your embassy is issuing them, the monthly income is only allowed for the few that do not issue, some offices do ask for proof that the income is genuine, and have done for a number of years, both for retirement and marraige

[fvw53]

18 hours ago, Peter Denis said:

If the Pathum Thani IO wants evidence of monthly income transfers to your personal thai bank-account on top of the Affidavit, they actually want you to apply the monthly-income transfer method.  And hence there is no reason to do the effort and get the Affidavit at your Embassy.

I can assure you they want both and they put on their list of requirement for extension (in Thai language)

[Peter Denis]

2 minutes ago, fvw53 said:

I can assure you they want both and they put on their list of requirement for extension (in Thai language)

That means that US, UK and Australian citizens can only apply for a Non Imm O Visa or extension, using the 800K/400K money-in-bank method at Phatum Thani, because their Embassies do not provide an Affidavit nor certified foreign income statement anymore.

[Peter Denis]

3 hours ago, steve187 said:

i think you will find that the letter is a required document if your embassy is issuing them, the monthly income is only allowed for the few that do not issue, some offices do ask for proof that the income is genuine, and have done for a number of years, both for retirement and marriage

Please clarify because It looks like you are making 2 contradictory statements.

a) ... the letter is a required document if your embassy is issuing them ...

>> That implies that IO is making it MORE difficult for citizens of other countries than US, UK and Australia, to use the monthly-income transfer method by ALSO requiring in that case to provide an Embassy signed Affidavit or Embassy certified foreign income statement.

b) ... the monthly income is only allowed for the few that do not issue ...

>> That implies that IO does NOT allow citizens of other countries than US, UK and Australia, to use the monthly-income transfer method.

 

The last part of your post ... some offices do ask for proof that the income is genuine ...

is not clear too.

When using the monthly-income transfer method you will need to prove by providing bank-documents that the transferred monthly-income comes from abroad (or that it is thai income declared to the tax authorities, in case you are married to a thai national and have a Work Permit which allows you to work in Thailand)

Proof of monthly transferred income is not needed when providing an Embassy signed Affidavit or Embassy certified foreign income statement.

But in both cases, the officer handling your application has the discretionary power to request that you also provide evidence of the SOURCE of that foreign income (and some IOs only accept a pension statement as source of foreign income).

[evadgib]

23 hours ago, OJAS said:

And yet the British Embassy, who did require specific proof of income, still saw fit to withdraw their income confirmation service on the grounds that they judged the minimal effort required on their part in complying witb the Immigration Bureau's requirements (e.g. establishing a secure link with HMRC which could have been used to verify pension income in a matter of seconds, plus investing in a suitable rubber stamp (and ink pad) to plonk on the verified evidence - not to mention the "herculean effort" required on the part of a consular official in adding their signature to a stamped endorsement) to be too much for them!!

Factually incorrect on multiple fronts as has been explained ad nausium in multiple threads on this subject.

[evadgib]

19 hours ago, Peter Denis said:

If the Pathum Thani IO wants evidence of monthly income transfers to your personal thai bank-account on top of the Affidavit, they actually want you to apply the monthly-income transfer method.  And hence there is no reason to do the effort and get the Affidavit at your Embassy.

Likewise for any discontinued 'pension letter' citizens living on Samui/KPG/KT.

HTH

[fvw53]

On 6/29/2020 at 3:54 PM, luckyluke said:

In Pattaya the Austrian Consulate provide a "Letter of Income" to Belgian and other nationalities.

The "Letter of Income" is different to an "Affidavit" as it mention :

" We herewith certify that..."

and is signed by the Consul General or the Vice Consul.

Documents proving the income has to be presented.

You are indeed as your nick name indicates "lucky" because a Belgian consul would not do this.