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4 hours ago, fvw53 said:

Indeed and this is because Immigration cannot read the Dutch, French and German small print on the legalisation that the Embassy only confirms the signature and not the content of the affidavit

Uh? If I take my country as an example (France), the document for Thai Immigration showing monthly incomes is in English, and I bet it's similar for many non-english speaking countries.

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22 hours ago, merijn said:

BS, The Dutch affidavit (and from others) is a income certification which has to be proven and checked before being issued.

The Belgian affidavit is your own declaration signed by you and of which the Embassy only certifies it is you who signed (this is the Belgian policy for legalization since I needed it for the first time 50 years ago. 

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Exactly.

I got my Affidavit from my embassy (Belgian) and it was accepted by immigration in BKK. No questions asked.

"maybe we, the Belgians are known for not fine tuning and manipulating documents".

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22 hours ago, Peter Denis said:

No need to show any proof of that income (confirmed by someone who did this 3 weeks ago)

And yet the British Embassy, who did require specific proof of income, still saw fit to withdraw their income confirmation service on the grounds that they judged the minimal effort required on their part in complying witb the Immigration Bureau's requirements (e.g. establishing a secure link with HMRC which could have been used to verify pension income in a matter of seconds, plus investing in a suitable rubber stamp (and ink pad) to plonk on the verified evidence - not to mention the "herculean effort" required on the part of a consular official in adding their signature to a stamped endorsement) to be too much for them!!

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3 hours ago, AlfHuy said:

Exactly.

I got my Affidavit from my embassy (Belgian) and it was accepted by immigration in BKK. No questions asked.

"maybe we, the Belgians are known for not fine tuning and manipulating documents".

In Pathum Thani they want this affidavit supported by a letter from the bank confirming monthly bank transfers from abroad to Thai account

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48 minutes ago, fvw53 said:

In Pathum Thani they want this affidavit supported by a letter from the bank confirming monthly bank transfers from abroad to Thai account

If the Pathum Thani IO wants evidence of monthly income transfers to your personal thai bank-account on top of the Affidavit, they actually want you to apply the monthly-income transfer method.  And hence there is no reason to do the effort and get the Affidavit at your Embassy.

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In Pattaya the Austrian Consulate provide a "Letter of Income" to Belgian and other nationalities.

The "Letter of Income" is different to an "Affidavit" as it mention :

" We herewith certify that..."

and is signed by the Consul General or the Vice Consul.

Documents proving the income has to be presented.

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Mine was refused in Rayong. They wanted to see proof of deposits (marriage visa) which when we had gone in to ask about all documents a month earlier they did not even mention.

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15 hours ago, Peter Denis said:

If the Pathum Thani IO wants evidence of monthly income transfers to your personal thai bank-account on top of the Affidavit, they actually want you to apply the monthly-income transfer method.  And hence there is no reason to do the effort and get the Affidavit at your Embassy.

i think you will find that the letter is a required document if your embassy is issuing them, the monthly income is only allowed for the few that do not issue, some offices do ask for proof that the income is genuine, and have done for a number of years, both for retirement and marraige

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18 hours ago, Peter Denis said:

If the Pathum Thani IO wants evidence of monthly income transfers to your personal thai bank-account on top of the Affidavit, they actually want you to apply the monthly-income transfer method.  And hence there is no reason to do the effort and get the Affidavit at your Embassy.

I can assure you they want both and they put on their list of requirement for extension (in Thai language)

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2 minutes ago, fvw53 said:

I can assure you they want both and they put on their list of requirement for extension (in Thai language)

That means that US, UK and Australian citizens can only apply for a Non Imm O Visa or extension, using the 800K/400K money-in-bank method at Phatum Thani, because their Embassies do not provide an Affidavit nor certified foreign income statement anymore.

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3 hours ago, steve187 said:

i think you will find that the letter is a required document if your embassy is issuing them, the monthly income is only allowed for the few that do not issue, some offices do ask for proof that the income is genuine, and have done for a number of years, both for retirement and marriage

Please clarify because It looks like you are making 2 contradictory statements.

a) ... the letter is a required document if your embassy is issuing them ...

>> That implies that IO is making it MORE difficult for citizens of other countries than US, UK and Australia, to use the monthly-income transfer method by ALSO requiring in that case to provide an Embassy signed Affidavit or Embassy certified foreign income statement.

b) ... the monthly income is only allowed for the few that do not issue ...

>> That implies that IO does NOT allow citizens of other countries than US, UK and Australia, to use the monthly-income transfer method.

 

The last part of your post ... some offices do ask for proof that the income is genuine ...

is not clear too.

When using the monthly-income transfer method you will need to prove by providing bank-documents that the transferred monthly-income comes from abroad (or that it is thai income declared to the tax authorities, in case you are married to a thai national and have a Work Permit which allows you to work in Thailand)

Proof of monthly transferred income is not needed when providing an Embassy signed Affidavit or Embassy certified foreign income statement.

But in both cases, the officer handling your application has the discretionary power to request that you also provide evidence of the SOURCE of that foreign income (and some IOs only accept a pension statement as source of foreign income).

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23 hours ago, OJAS said:

And yet the British Embassy, who did require specific proof of income, still saw fit to withdraw their income confirmation service on the grounds that they judged the minimal effort required on their part in complying witb the Immigration Bureau's requirements (e.g. establishing a secure link with HMRC which could have been used to verify pension income in a matter of seconds, plus investing in a suitable rubber stamp (and ink pad) to plonk on the verified evidence - not to mention the "herculean effort" required on the part of a consular official in adding their signature to a stamped endorsement) to be too much for them!!

Factually incorrect on multiple fronts as has been explained ad nausium in multiple threads on this subject.

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19 hours ago, Peter Denis said:

If the Pathum Thani IO wants evidence of monthly income transfers to your personal thai bank-account on top of the Affidavit, they actually want you to apply the monthly-income transfer method.  And hence there is no reason to do the effort and get the Affidavit at your Embassy.

Likewise for any discontinued 'pension letter' citizens living on Samui/KPG/KT.

HTH

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On 6/29/2020 at 3:54 PM, luckyluke said:

In Pattaya the Austrian Consulate provide a "Letter of Income" to Belgian and other nationalities.

The "Letter of Income" is different to an "Affidavit" as it mention :

" We herewith certify that..."

and is signed by the Consul General or the Vice Consul.

Documents proving the income has to be presented.

You are indeed as your nick name indicates "lucky" because a Belgian consul would not do this.

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