UK ready to quit EU on 'Australia terms' if no Brexit deal, Johnson says

[Laughing Gravy]

3 hours ago, paddypower said:

I'm trying to remember - did the Brexit referendum say ''do you want to leave the EU without any deal'' (or to put it in realistic terms - ''without any idea of where we're going to?'') Because you are daydreaming to think that the UK can cherry pick its terms of departure, contrary to its contractual obligations under the 2019 MOU. It is laughable (actually patethic) that 'Great' Britain now needs to adopt the trade deal of one of its former colonies. Reality will hit when UK is forced to join WTO trading rules. Further, assuming you understand Article 50, the UK is now excluded from internal negotiations between the EU and its member states. You are on your own (to paraphrase Merkle).

That means any terms you look for need to be approved by 100% of the 20+ EU member countries.

Which is why, historically trade deals between the EU and non-EU states take between 4 and 9 years.

The Swiss signed their first framework agreement with the EU back in 1972. After entering into 100 bilateral treaties to deal with particular issues and they are still negotiating.

The Lords EU Committee said - determining the rights of two million UK nationals living in the EU would be a "complex and daunting" part of exit talks.

Lads, ''taking back control'' was a con job by the elite, in order to avoid getting their offshore tax shelters caught by the new EU tax avoidance rules.

 

Oh dear still pilfering the same old tripe. I guess you just can't accept the countless attempts to keep the UK in the EU failed. As this one will to. What is pathetic is people are still using the same line after June 23rd 2016. 

 

Joining the EU was a con by the elite and should never have happened. Who would join a club when they allow there food resources to be raped by other countries and instructed to stop farming their own foods. that is the biggest crime. Done to death and boring now.

[Laughing Gravy]

2 hours ago, Letseng said:

It is not about what he wants. 

EU has to want the same.

WTO has a say as well.

Nobody forces him to trade with EU. 

I guess your a remainer.

[Rookiescot]

Always worth remembering what the leave campaign were saying about a trade deal with the EU prior to the referendum.

 

 

[melvinmelvin]

4 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Always worth remembering what the leave campaign were saying about a trade deal with the EU prior to the referendum.

 

 

 

OK Sunday entertainment,

 

guess there are heaps of comparable goodies on youtube,

from all corners of the political spectrum

 

[Rookiescot]

2 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

OK Sunday entertainment,

 

guess there are heaps of comparable goodies on youtube,

from all corners of the political spectrum

 

OK post some so we can continue our Sunday entertainment.

[puipuitom]

4 hours ago, JusticeGB said:

The UK voted to leave the EU there was nothing in the vote about terms of leaving.  It was just expected that the UK would try to get the best deal that it could without being tied to the European Court or European petty rules and regulations. 

Rules and regulations, the British PM signed for as.. ONLY the EU council, consisting of the heads of governments of the EU member stats, are entitled to make such decissions.

[Redvic]

4 hours ago, Phoenix Rising said:

'Four years after Brexit, support for the EU surges in Britain'

 

"Four years on from the UK's Brexit vote, a majority of British voters would now opt to remain inside the European Union, says new research.

According to the European Social Survey (ESS), a pan-European poll carried out every two years, 56.8% of respondents in the UK indicated that they would vote to remain inside the bloc, an increase from 49.9% the last time the survey was published in 2018. The most recent survey shows that of those questioned in the UK, 34.9% said they would vote to leave and 8.3% said they would not vote at all."

Another <deleted> talking through his a**e. We have left get over it snowflake. 

[paddypower]

52 minutes ago, transam said:

How strange, you an EU guy talking not nice about the UK pound because you are going to lose it....Hmmmm, you really should loosen up, your Euro will be OK, will cost you more, but will be OK, and I will not stoop that low as to lambaste it either....????

Let's all join hands together...the <deleted> baht is to strong for any of us with foreign income.

Misery loves company ????

[Rookiescot]

7 minutes ago, Redvic said:

Another <deleted> talking through his a**e. We have left get over it snowflake. 

Not till January.

Then we will see who the real snowflakes are.

[paddypower]

7 minutes ago, Redvic said:

Another <deleted> talking through his a**e. We have left get over it snowflake. 

Expand your vocabulary..''snowflakes'' think that Siberia is gonna catch fire one of these days. 555

[kingdong]

4 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

But thats not what the Brexit campaign promised was it?

Easiest deal in history.

it should have been the easiest deal in history,however thats what happens when you send a woman to do a mans job.

[puipuitom]

When the UK ( or.. maybe only England), wants to be a member again: send in your application form and start negociations... after Albania, and manye after Urkaine, who is already an associated nation.

 

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/25/four-years-after-brexit-support-for-eu-surges-in-britain/

Eur social survay member EU.webp

[bluedoc]

4 hours ago, paddypower said:

I'm trying to remember - did the Brexit referendum say ''do you want to leave the EU without any deal'' (or to put it in realistic terms - ''without any idea of where we're going to?'') Because you are daydreaming to think that the UK can cherry pick its terms of departure, contrary to its contractual obligations under the 2019 MOU. It is laughable (actually patethic) that 'Great' Britain now needs to adopt the trade deal of one of its former colonies. Reality will hit when UK is forced to join WTO trading rules. Further, assuming you understand Article 50, the UK is now excluded from internal negotiations between the EU and its member states. You are on your own (to paraphrase Merkle).

That means any terms you look for need to be approved by 100% of the 20+ EU member countries.

Which is why, historically trade deals between the EU and non-EU states take between 4 and 9 years.

The Swiss signed their first framework agreement with the EU back in 1972. After entering into 100 bilateral treaties to deal with particular issues and they are still negotiating.

The Lords EU Committee said - determining the rights of two million UK nationals living in the EU would be a "complex and daunting" part of exit talks.

Lads, ''taking back control'' was a con job by the elite, in order to avoid getting their offshore tax shelters caught by the new EU tax avoidance rules.

 

So what’s your point?

[Rookiescot]

5 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

When the UK ( or.. maybe only England), wants to be a member again: send in your application form and start negociations... after Albania, and manye after Urkaine, who is already an associated nation.

 

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/25/four-years-after-brexit-support-for-eu-surges-in-britain/

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Not sure the EU will let them back in. They dont need the continuing headache of English exceptionalism.

[Loiner]

I see the Remainers, deniers, naysayers, doom mongers and Eurolosers are out in force today. They must have all finally clicked. It's now becoming too obvious for them that the UK will eventually be properly leaving the EU shackles and bottomless money pit. The deceitful way Barnier & Co have been conducting 'negotiations' is being overcome by a mandate from the UK government - No Deal is better than a bad deal. (Who said that?)

 

We don't see very many positive Reuters releases about Brexit. How did this one manage to get through the net, is it because they believe the UK's freedom is a bad thing?

[herfiehandbag]

2 hours ago, sawadee1947 said:

Absolutely BS. 

Democracy doesn't mean the ruling of one party but to find compromises, in particular in terms of 48/52% votings. ????

The only compromise that the remain camp would accept seems to be to set aside the referendum and general election result and remain in the EU.

It is something of a binary issue after all, "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?" 52% ( a clear majority) said leave. There doesn't seem much scope for compromise there.

[paddypower]

11 minutes ago, kingdong said:

it should have been the easiest deal in history,however thats what happens when you send a woman to do a mans job.

Look at the replacement - Billy Bunter who doesnt know how to slip on a frenchie?

[sungod]

4 hours ago, Susco said:

Yes because Australia does very well, looking at the value of their currency. NOT

duh, no recession in 30 years.....

[sungod]

2 hours ago, Mavideol said:

UK asked to leave, by doing so, it lost all and any bargaining power, the UK should just pack and leave and on their way out stop the mongering

Couldn't agree more.

 

Its those who wont accept the result of the referendum trying to hang on by their finger tips. Just go back to post 1 and read again.

[paddypower]

12 minutes ago, bluedoc said:

So what’s your point?

Too many words? Try rereading my opening lines:

others describe it as a binary decision - leave or not leave. Personally, I do not care how it works out for you all.. As an objective viewer, I regard offering to hold a referendum which does not clarify what it means, to be incompetent at best, dishonourable at worst. Do you really believe that your average Brit 'assumed' what the end result of his/her vote would mean? If 52% had voted to leave on a no deal basis, I would respect the result as an intelligent/ (or, at least, informed) decision. However, you have a whole bunch of 'jonny foreigner' and zenophiobiac types in England, because they cannot accept that they lost the empire.

 So, off you go and being Irish - the best of luck mates.

[paddypower]

15 minutes ago, sungod said:

Couldn't agree more.

 

Its those who wont accept the result of the referendum trying to hang on by their finger tips. Just go back to post 1 and read again.

well said!! I accept the result, 100%. I just think that it was a moronically worded referendum.

[tribalfusion001]

Doesn't matter anyway, the economy is finished for years and no deal brexit will just usher in a new socialist government. Only the blind Brexiteers think it will be good for no deal.

[tribalfusion001]

5 hours ago, Card said:

As usual, Johnson will cave in, reverse, about turn. He always does. He's just full of stuff and nonsense. Can't wait for PM Starmer in 4 years time.

This government won't last another 4 years, it's imploding now and the sh*t hasn't even hit the fan yet.

[mrfill]

5 hours ago, JusticeGB said:

The UK voted to leave the EU there was nothing in the vote about terms of leaving.  It was just expected that the UK would try to get the best deal that it could without being tied to the European Court or European petty rules and regulations. 

And so far we have had introduction of new petty UK rules and regulations, some slightly different, to allow companies an extra added layer of complexity especially relating to goods coming from/to. And as for 'the best deal' - that doesn't necessarily mean a deal that is best for the UK, merely the best the crack team of negotiators can negotiate (without negotiating skills). It was going to be Canada plus, then Norway plus and now its being spoken of as 'Australian terms'. They're running out of countries to name.. 

This will all be negotiated by the same team that brought you top ratings in virus deaths through their wonderful planning and management.

[bannork]

32 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

The only compromise that the remain camp would accept seems to be to set aside the referendum and general election result and remain in the EU.

It is something of a binary issue after all, "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?" 52% ( a clear majority) said leave. There doesn't seem much scope for compromise there.

There's an awful lot of scope there, leave with what kind of deal? But if the government want to shaft the people with a no deal, well that's up to them.

[vogie]

3 minutes ago, bannork said:

There's an awful lot of scope there, leave with what kind of deal? But if the government want to shaft the people with a no deal, well that's up to them.

The "people" are not getting "shafted," this government has carried out the democratic wish of the voters, they can do no more.

[bannork]

4 minutes ago, vogie said:

The "people" are not getting "shafted," this government has carried out the democratic wish of the voters, they can do no more.

The people were never promised a no deal Brexit.

[vogie]

Just now, bannork said:

The people were never promised a no deal Brexit.

They were promised Brexit and correct me if I'm wrong, isn't that what we got.

[jesimps]

5 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Johnson thinks the term sounds better than no deal.

Truth is that Brexit coming on top of covid means massive damage to the UK economy for years to come.

It isn't about it being PM Johnson's choice or what he calls it, he's merely doing what his predecessor didn't and that is carrying out the wishes of the majority of the people in the referendum. Reinforced by the last general election result. Whether it will turn out to be a good or bad thing is not for him to say, it is the wish of the people as part of our democratic system.

[Surelynot]

It might be worthwhile recalling that the referendum was only called by Cameron to prevent a number of Conservative MP's joining UKIP, Cameron (and probably Johnson) never thought for one moment he would lose.

 

What Cameron failed to realise was that the Leave campaign had been running for 40 odd years, whereas the Remain campaign only had a few months.

 

Brexit supporters are correct in saying there were no other promises made beyond leaving or remaining.......because the result was never expected to be "leave". This resulted in there being no plan, no foresight, no serious consideration of the consequences of leaving.

 

What was Cameron's response....."<deleted> this, I'm not dealing with this s**t"......and that is what the 'winners' have been dealing with ever since....a crock of........

 

 

Edited June 28, 2020 by Surelynot