UK ready to quit EU on 'Australia terms' if no Brexit deal, Johnson says

[kingdong]

4 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

OK so what items do you think the world will be after?

well it won,t be haggis.

[kingdong]

7 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Yes. Some items were given a higher import tariff in order to protect the EU wide domestic producers.

Now I know where you are going with this.

You are now going to claim that imports will be cheaper now we have left and thats a good thing yes?

Given the pound has dropped about 20% against most other currencies then no. It will not.

So even if what you want to think is true. What happens to the UK domestic producers of those items?

they,ll have to adapt.as for the pound dropping thats down to the shiny arsed spivs (sorry the markets) in the city sniffing an earner.and the weak pound(perhaps it was like the baht, over valued) will make our exports more attractive.

[candide]

5 hours ago, kingdong said:

funny 10 years ago all the employers in uk wanted out the eu because of too many employers rights,fast foreward to the zero hour contracts,bogus self enjoyment contracts and glut of cheap labour due to freedom of movement and the eus the best thing since sliced bread,whats the eu done about workers being exploited by the zero hour cntract and so called self employment?sweet fa,if you haven,t noticed,slavery is supposed to be illegal now,so spare us your bogus concerns about workers rights.

It would be time Brexiters start agreeing with each other! (I personally don't believe it will ever happen).

Your mates usually complain about (allegedly) too much EU regulations and now you are complaining about not enough EU regulations.

 

The zero hours contracts are peanuts compared to what will happen in the UK as a low tax "hub of free trade agreements", "Singapore upon Thames" and other ultra-liberal economics BS!

The British working class will soon wake up with even larger hemorrhoids than before!

[transam]

11 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Why would people want UK goods if they can get them cheaper somewhere else?

Thats the thing about being in the EU market. We were somewhat protected from cheap imports from places like China.

Once we are out we are on our own.

Wow, you have finally got it, "we are out, we are on our own"...

Isn't that great.....????

[transam]

10 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

OK so what items do you think the world will be after?

That is a really daft question, but real Cheshire cheese for one......????

[evadgib]

14 hours ago, 7by7 said:

What line would that be, then?

 

Neither Boris nor Cummings trust Farage, or even like him. As made clear last December by "a senior Conservative source said Mr Farage was "not a fit and proper person" and "should never be allowed anywhere near government." (Source, but if you don't like that one, there are plenty of others.)

The one in the RSM's office????

[nauseus]

16 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

The usual nonsense from you.

 

You referring to sentences from the FCO such as "The Lisbon Treaty will not transfer power away from the UK on issues of fundamental importance to our sovereignty" as slippery tongued only shows that you really do know nothing or, far more likely, you know the hole you've dug for yourself is so deep that your only hope is to keep on repeating the same nonsense until I give up.

 

OK, I see no point in taking up bandwidth by going over the same ground, providing the same information to you again and again when all you do is keep on digging! As far as these matters are concerned, to save time if you do post on them again I use the time honoured Parliamentary response of "I refer the Honourable Gentleman to the reply I gave earlier."

 

Two final points, though.

 

Parliament has already passed legislation to incorporate all EU law into UK law pending review of what to keep and what to abolish. So yes, much of what is on that list, and much else, will remain post Brexit. But that's not what I asked you. I asked you what you consider the 'nasty bits' that you would do away with.

 

The 1974 Health and Safety at Work Act has been amended many times to incorporate new EU regulations. Would it have happened without our EU membership? Who knows, maybe, maybe not. But because were were EU members, it definitely did.

 

The 1974 Health and Safety at Work Act was entirely a result of the Committee on Health and Safety at Work, appointed in May 1970 by Barbara Castle and led by Lord Robens. The Committee reported in June 1972 and its recommendations, generally, formed the basis of the Health and Safety at Work Act 1974. It was nothing to do with the EEC/EU, which took decades to "catch up" with health and safety legislation.

 

Of course it happened without EU membership. I don't live in holes but i can see you at the bottom of a nonsense one with very slippery sides!

 

[tomacht8]

10 hours ago, candide said:

It would be time Brexiters start agreeing with each other! (I personally don't believe it will ever happen).

Your mates usually complain about (allegedly) too much EU regulations and now you are complaining about not enough EU regulations.

 

The zero hours contracts are peanuts compared to what will happen in the UK as a low tax "hub of free trade agreements", "Singapore upon Thames" and other ultra-liberal economics BS!

The British working class will soon wake up with even larger hemorrhoids than before!

Here is an example of EU product standards and product safety. It is also relevant for Brexiteers, as many belong to the C19 risk group (old age, previous illnesses).

 

The European rapid alert system RAPEX issued a warning on July 16 for five other respirators made in China. A recall or sales stop has been initiated for various offers with different identifiers. It was already known in May and June that certain masks had pitfalls.

https://ec.europa.eu/consumers/consumers_safety/safety_products/rapex/alerts/?event=viewProduct&reference=A12/0257/17&lng=en

Edited July 20, 2020 by tomacht8

[tomacht8]

14 hours ago, kingdong said:

they,ll have to adapt.as for the pound dropping thats down to the shiny arsed spivs (sorry the markets) in the city sniffing an earner.and the weak pound(perhaps it was like the baht, over valued) will make our exports more attractive.

You are a funny guy.

Have you ever wondered how high the share of imported pre- and semi-finished products is in the UK export products?

 

The UK's net value added share is super low in many UK export products. In the short to medium term, the UK would not be able to produce 100% made in the UK products at all, without imports of the corresponding semi-finished products.

 

Now tell us again what the impact of a weak British pound is, if you have to shop abroad.

[Loiner]

20 hours ago, Mavideol said:

the original/previous bus showed 350 million a week.... 555

Oops. I didn't notice that before inserting the picture and don't know why it's been doctored.

Guess it just goes to show how much notice the average Brexiteer took of the bus, while the Remainers continue to be obsessed with it.

[Loiner]

21 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 Farage certainly would love it. It would mean he could carry on collecting his salary and expenses while not turning up; just as he did while and MEP.

I don't mind him taking every last cent out of the EU. While ever he's getting it, there's an EU subsidy scrounger not getting anymore of our contribution.

[Loiner]

21 hours ago, 7by7 said:

No, I mean your fellow travellers living in Thailand.

 

Yes, you are all marching together, but the effects of Brexit wont effect you until the pound drops too low against the baht for your pensions to meet your visa requirements!

 

You obviously don't read my posts, even though you often quote them in full. I regularly post links to support my opinions and links to the sources of the facts which I post.

 

I've asked you for some facts many occasions. How often have you provide some? Never.

 

If true, I suggest you take that up with the Mod concerned; it's nothing to do with me.

 

 A reminder that Boris, or rather Cummings, is doing it despite 53% of voters in that election saying they wanted a say on the final deal. I thought you lot believed in democracy? Apparently only when it suits you.

 

Here's more loss of support for Boris: No 10 warned by Tory MPs over ‘sinister’ bids to suppress dissent. (That's a link; it's evidence!)

 

Can Boris last until January? Maybe, but not for very long afterwards!

 

Why would I love that bus and it's lie, or the other one with the £350 million a week lie on it? Cummings conned the gullible with them, but they are both lies. 

 

More evidence for you to ignore: £350 million EU claim "a clear misuse of official statistics" The actual figure is £250 million, a figure eventually admitted by Johnson in Parliament last September.

 

Even that figure ignores subsidies to British farmers, industry, medical research etc.; though admittedly the UK government has no say on how that money is spent. But when the EU stops paying it; who will?

 

Also, what will cover the damage to our economy caused by Brexit? For anyone who believes the lie that the money will go to the NHS, I have some money I need to get out of Nigeria!

 

Obviously, that's what no deal means! But whoever walks away, us or the EU, we wont have any concessions from them, either.

 

 What? Yes, the EU are in FTA negotiations with a number of countries; but those negotiations are proceeding on schedule. Unless you can produce evidence to the contrary.

 

We're the ones seeking and needing trade agreements, free or otherwise, with the EU and others. So far we have none with any major players! See Existing UK trade agreements with non-EU countries. 

You've no idea what my, or the pensions and visa requirements are of any Brexiteers. Keep guessing.

True, I don't read most of your posts and none of the links. Pure 'pony' as you like to describe the posts of others. Just one of the reasons why you can ask for links all you like, but you'll get nowt out of me lad.

Democracy is still being seen to be carried out as Boris's democratically elected landslide Government Get's Brexit Done. While your combined anti-democratic forces can whine and moan from the sidelines.

Ah, the bus obsession again. Well the Leavers were not the gullible ones were they? The gullibility rests with the Europhiles as their Utopian state continues to show the cracks developing.

No Deal is coming until Barnier is told to fold and give in to the FTA that the real masters of the EU desperately need.  

 

[tebee]

Even the Government's new ad campaign can't find any advantages to brexit.

 

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-07-12/uks-new-start-lets-get-going-brexit-information-campaign-warns-holidaymakers-of-travel-changes

 

 

[luckyluke]

Question : How does one know when a post is accurate ?

Answer : When Nauseus put a "Haha " emoticon under it.

[vogie]

3 minutes ago, tebee said:

Even the Government's new ad campaign can't find any advantages to brexit.

 

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-07-12/uks-new-start-lets-get-going-brexit-information-campaign-warns-holidaymakers-of-travel-changes

 

 

The electorate voted to leave and not the government, bravo the government for carrying out our wishes, that's how democracy works.

[Sujo]

29 minutes ago, Loiner said:

You've no idea what my, or the pensions and visa requirements are of any Brexiteers. Keep guessing.

True, I don't read most of your posts and none of the links. Pure 'pony' as you like to describe the posts of others. Just one of the reasons why you can ask for links all you like, but you'll get nowt out of me lad.

Democracy is still being seen to be carried out as Boris's democratically elected landslide Government Get's Brexit Done. While your combined anti-democratic forces can whine and moan from the sidelines.

Ah, the bus obsession again. Well the Leavers were not the gullible ones were they? The gullibility rests with the Europhiles as their Utopian state continues to show the cracks developing.

No Deal is coming until Barnier is told to fold and give in to the FTA that the real masters of the EU desperately need.  

 

What benefits will you get from brexit?

[transam]

55 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Oops. I didn't notice that before inserting the picture and don't know why it's been doctored.

Guess it just goes to show how much notice the average Brexiteer took of the bus, while the Remainers continue to be obsessed with it.

They are frightened of losing their bus pass.....????

[transam]

9 minutes ago, Sujo said:

What benefits will you get from brexit?

You're struggling.....

[luckyluke]

26 minutes ago, Sujo said:

What benefits will you get from brexit?

There are none for the moment.

 

Brexit is only effective next year.

 

 

Sure there will be benefits, as there will be no doubt detriments.

 

Will have to wait & see which ones surpass the others.

[melvinmelvin]

re Australia terms (weird expression), seem to come up over the horizon;

 

have all the nitties and gritties now been sorted? trade the main remaining issue?

 

UK airlines operating in EU

Channel traffic and surv.

Mutual recognition of various tickets (trains, aircrafts, vehicles, vessels) etc

sharing of police info

you name it, the list is loooooooong

 

[tebee]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

The electorate voted to leave and not the government, bravo the government for carrying out our wishes, that's how democracy works.

Once again no it's not.

 

We appoint politicians to take care of us. The electorate can not be expected to comprehend all of the ramifications of brexit. Once we had decided to leave they should have looked for a course that will produce as little damage to the populus as a whole, rather than going for the most extreme version possible. We only voted to leave, not to leave and make sure we shoot ourselves in both feet on the way out.   

[tebee]

I see no advantages??

 

 

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/brexit/2020/07/how-government-quietly-revealed-all-ways-which-brexit-will-make-our-lives

[Mavideol]

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

You've no idea what my, or the pensions and visa requirements are of any Brexiteers. Keep guessing.

True, I don't read most of your posts and none of the links. Pure 'pony' as you like to describe the posts of others. Just one of the reasons why you can ask for links all you like, but you'll get nowt out of me lad.

Democracy is still being seen to be carried out as Boris's democratically elected landslide Government Get's Brexit Done. While your combined anti-democratic forces can whine and moan from the sidelines.

Ah, the bus obsession again. Well the Leavers were not the gullible ones were they? The gullibility rests with the Europhiles as their Utopian state continues to show the cracks developing.

No Deal is coming until Barnier is told to fold and give in to the FTA that the real masters of the EU desperately need.  

 

wishful thinking, though no such thing will happen

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, luckyluke said:

Question : How does one know when a post is accurate ?

Answer : When Nauseus put a "Haha " emoticon under it.

Hop you get your full pension next month.

[nauseus]

7 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

wishful thinking, though no such thing will happen

That's just wishful thinking.

[nauseus]

20 minutes ago, tebee said:

Once again no it's not.

 

We appoint politicians to take care of us. The electorate can not be expected to comprehend all of the ramifications of brexit. Once we had decided to leave they should have looked for a course that will produce as little damage to the populus as a whole, rather than going for the most extreme version possible. We only voted to leave, not to leave and make sure we shoot ourselves in both feet on the way out.   

Sounds like...yes it is...anuvver fickerunus post.....it's OK to stay in with a referendum but to leave? Oooh nooo, can't have that!

[Rookiescot]

1 hour ago, luckyluke said:

Question : How does one know when a post is accurate ?

Answer : When Nauseus put a "Haha " emoticon under it.

Reminds me of another adage.

 

How do you recognise a Brexiteer in a bar?

You don't. He will tell you.

[bannork]

2 hours ago, vogie said:

The electorate voted to leave and not the government, bravo the government for carrying out our wishes, that's how democracy works.

I don't think the voters chose a no-deal Brexit. On the contrary they were promised a good deal.

[nauseus]

28 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Reminds me of another adage.

 

How do you recognise a Brexiteer in a bar?

You don't. He will tell you.

You guys are so funny.

[evadgib]

1 hour ago, tebee said:

Once again no it's not.

 

We appoint politicians to take care of us. The electorate can not be expected to comprehend all of the ramifications of brexit. Once we had decided to leave they should have looked for a course that will produce as little damage to the populus as a whole, rather than going for the most extreme version possible. We only voted to leave, not to leave and make sure we shoot ourselves in both feet on the way out.   

"They didn't know wot they voted for" was torpedoed last December by a stonking majority.

Edited July 20, 2020 by evadgib