UK ready to quit EU on 'Australia terms' if no Brexit deal, Johnson says

[nauseus]

58 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Good to see our brave defenders of UK sovereignty last night voting to give it away to an unelected body.

Great to be back in control.

 

Tory backbenchers defeated in attempt to put any post-Brexit trade deals through parliament

 

MPs have defeated an attempt by Tory backbenchers to ensure parliament has a vote on any post-Brexit trade deal.

An amendment to the Trade Bill currently going through the Commons would have given MPs and peers a say on any new agreement signed by the government.

"Our brave defenders of UK sovereignty"! What a larf.

[evadgib]

47 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Sure, that is democracy indeed, but shows the utter sham of Brexit - taking back control? What a total con. They just handed it all to a group of shysters. 

Like SNP hope to do with ?????????

[evadgib]

42 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Our corrupt PM is visiting Scotland this week as panic sets in amid realisation that he is about to lose England's cash cow - let's hope we give a similar reception to that of last time he ventured north. 

 

 

???????????????????????????? is bailing ???????????????????????????? out pal, not the other way around but let's not go there again eh?

 

(????????-???????????????????????????? and/or ????????????????????????????+????????=⛔! )

Edited July 21, 2020 by evadgib

[RuamRudy]

10 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Like SNP hope to do with ?????????

Well, one of those is supposition - the other is a shameful fact. 

[RuamRudy]

13 minutes ago, nauseus said:

"Our brave defenders of UK sovereignty"! What a larf.

Indeed!

[evadgib]

11 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Well, one of those is supposition - the other is a shameful fact. 

Hmmm You could ask SNP to desist?

 

(Oops! I mentioned ???????????????????????????? again; having "mentioned it once and thought I got away with it!" ????)

Edited July 21, 2020 by evadgib

[IvorBiggun2]

3 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

The people were never asked if they wanted Mays deal.

No cuz even she realised she was doing things wrong and it was time to jump ship. How right she was to confirm it was in the UK's best interest.

 

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She stated, "it is now clear to me that it is in the best interests of the country for a new prime minister to lead that effort [Brexit]."

 

[tebee]

16 hours ago, evadgib said:

There wasn't one!

Bit like Brexit.....

[Loiner]

17 hours ago, 7by7 said:

Yes, we do. But to say that government represents the majority of the British people is incorrect.

 

Wouldn't be the first in that position, though. But the first single issue one.

 

Ah, the usual 'It's all that traitor May's fault' rubbish.

 

Were you to have been paying attention you would know that having betrayed May and achieved his ambition with the help of Rees-Mogg (whatever happened to him?) and the ERG, Johnson's desired deal is essentially May MkII. Unfortunately, the EU have basically said that they offered us that, but we turned it down. 

 

He's failed; his party know he's failed, his days are numbered.

 

The government, voted in by a landslide majority, actually represents all of us once they are in, whether you losers like it or not. They are now representing the whole of the UK against the EU's ongoing drive for domination. The UK is winning for us too.

Although there was a certain amount of socialist nonsense from Labour, it did boil down to essentially a single issue election. It was effectively another referendum, with a landslide result for Brexit. Pity about your precentages this time.

The rise of the left's hated Boris as PM, is therefore all May's fault. Being a useless woman, she couldn't do it alone and was helped by a huge cast of supporters, who must share some of the blame. So all the Remainers, leftists and anti-democrats brought about their own misery in Brexit getting done and PM Boris for another four years or so. There should be statues erected of him soon, as the Great British Premier who save us from the EU.

What happened to JRM? He was promoted from the back benches to become Leader of the House. Didn't you notice? He will be the PM when Boris retires with his young family after the next GE.

The EU and Remainers didn't manage to stitch us up with the Merkel/May capitulation deal, so are now thoroughly pizzed off and have to deal with an unyielding UK team to boot. What a hoot.

[kingdong]

6 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

Are you seriously suggesting that parliament has no role to play here? Should we drop all aspects of parliamentary scrutiny or just those that might hinder the obsessive ideological demands of those who back Brexit?

 

 

At least we can drop this pathetic cry of sovereignty, not that anyone could actually describe it, but any claim that the objective of Brexit was to regain control will be rightly laughed out of the water. The clowns have been manipulated since day one, and now we are seeing their true might - they just roll over and let our corrupt and corrupted government do as they please.  

the only corruption in parliament has been in the last 4 years with the remainer mps refusing to accept a democratic binding referendum on leaving the eu.thankfully a peoples vote 3 years later put the present government in with a large majority who are going to respect the will of the people and take us out of the eu.

[kingdong]

6 hours ago, Xaos said:

Im from EU, applied for UK settled status and got it, but I dont understand what regular Joe gets from brexit? 

Harder to travel, study, work, retire, use hospitals, on top all trade deals, propabely things will become more expensive in UK etc... Whats in it for a common folk? 

 

https://www.what-europe-does-for-me.eu/en/home

less economic migrants from failed economies in the eu coming to  britain via freedom of movement and down grading the employment conditions of the indigenous work force.

Edited July 21, 2020 by kingdong

[RuamRudy]

48 minutes ago, Loiner said:

The government, voted in by a landslide majority, actually represents all of us once they are in, whether you losers like it or not. They are now representing the whole of the UK against the EU's ongoing drive for domination. The UK is winning for us too.

Although there was a certain amount of socialist nonsense from Labour, it did boil down to essentially a single issue election. It was effectively another referendum, with a landslide result for Brexit. Pity about your precentages this time.

The rise of the left's hated Boris as PM, is therefore all May's fault. Being a useless woman, she couldn't do it alone and was helped by a huge cast of supporters, who must share some of the blame. So all the Remainers, leftists and anti-democrats brought about their own misery in Brexit getting done and PM Boris for another four years or so. There should be statues erected of him soon, as the Great British Premier who save us from the EU.

What happened to JRM? He was promoted from the back benches to become Leader of the House. Didn't you notice? He will be the PM when Boris retires with his young family after the next GE.

The EU and Remainers didn't manage to stitch us up with the Merkel/May capitulation deal, so are now thoroughly pizzed off and have to deal with an unyielding UK team to boot. What a hoot.

In what world does 43% represent a majority? The vast majority of voters do not want this shower of incompetent and corrupt charlatans. No amount of repeating your lie will make you correct.

[Phulublub]

11 minutes ago, kingdong said:

less economic migrants from failed economies in the eu coming to  britain via freedom of movement and down grading the employment conditions of the indigenous work force.

To be correct, you should have said "Fewer economic migrants..." as people are counted, not measured.  Perhaps Engish is not your first language, though most of those with a Germanic based language as theirs and who have Englsih as a second (or third) would likely be able to use the correct vocabulary.

 

Maybe after Brexit we can address the falling levels of English in our education system once the meddling Europeans are sent packing.  Then again, since we will be freed from all those pesky low level workers, [erha[s the indigenous work force will not need so much education to enable them to perform the myriad jobs they did.

 

PH

[transam]

3 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

In what world does 43% represent a majority? The vast majority of voters do not want this shower of incompetent and corrupt charlatans. No amount of repeating your lie will make you correct.

You are going round in circles with basic voting stuff. You really are making yourself look a bit daft. You tell me, when has voting been any different regarding percentages.... ? 

[RuamRudy]

23 minutes ago, kingdong said:

the only corruption in parliament has been in the last 4 years with the remainer mps refusing to accept a democratic binding referendum on leaving the eu.thankfully a peoples vote 3 years later put the present government in with a large majority who are going to respect the will of the people and take us out of the eu.

I would suggest that the corruption in parliament stinks to high heaven at the moment, but there are none so blind as those who refuse to see. The sad thing is that for those enslaved to the cult of Brexit, they are willing to see so much lost, so much stolen and so much destroyed just so they can see their dream of leaving the EU. 

 

Your brexit will very quickly taste like ashes in your mouth as you wake up to the damage YOU have done. One day soon you will be a very much smaller and much more isolated little insignificant country, at the mercy of every venture capitalist friend of Johnson and his cronies. 

[RuamRudy]

Just now, transam said:

You are going round in circles with basic voting stuff. You really are making yourself look a bit daft. You tell me, when has voting been any different regarding percentages.... ? 

I am pointing out that you have been buoying yourself up on lies for the past 4 years - and you continue to do it. It is not me who looks daft, mate, believe me. Take the blinkers off for a second. 

[Loiner]

2 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

In what world does 43% represent a majority? The vast majority of voters do not want this shower of incompetent and corrupt charlatans. No amount of repeating your lie will make you correct.

But we do and that's what matters. The law of our land brought about a determined government to do the bidding of the majority.

The rag tag and bob tail anti democratic forces are not the vast majority. More of a mixed bunch of also-rans. They could never even agree among themselves on what they wanted regarding Brexit or anything, so are discarded to the embittered sidelines.
I'm correct again.

[IvorBiggun2]

7 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

In what world does 43% represent a majority? The vast majority of voters do not want this shower of incompetent and corrupt charlatans. No amount of repeating your lie will make you correct.

Read it and weep.   https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2019/dec/13/boris-johnson-achieves-landslide-victory-visual-guide

[kingdong]

3 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

In what world does 43% represent a majority? The vast majority of voters do not want this shower of incompetent and corrupt charlatans. No amount of repeating your lie will make you correct.

????? the elected government won the election with a majority of 80 seats,no good whingeing about how a large body of punters who couldn,t be bothered to get off their jacksies and go to the polling booths may or may not have voted,why not hire a big red bus and put 43% on it? similar stunt worked wonders for the brexit campaign.

[vogie]

1 minute ago, RuamRudy said:

I would suggest that the corruption in parliament stinks to high heaven at the moment, but there are none so blind as those who refuse to see. The sad thing is that for those enslaved to the cult of Brexit, they are willing to see so much lost, so much stolen and so much destroyed just so they can see their dream of leaving the EU. 

 

Your brexit will very quickly taste like ashes in your mouth as you wake up to the damage YOU have done. One day soon you will be a very much smaller and much more isolated little insignificant country, at the mercy of every venture capitalist friend of Johnson and his cronies. 

OK you win, the remainers have won longest running tantrum in human history, and all because Boris said 'no' ????????

[RuamRudy]

2 minutes ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

Read it and weep.   https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2019/dec/13/boris-johnson-achieves-landslide-victory-visual-guide

Not weeping at all - Johnson the best thing that happened to the UK in decades. Just the clown we needed to see it destroyed once and for all. 

[RuamRudy]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

OK you win, the remainers have won longest running tantrum in human history, and all because Boris said 'no' ????????

Unfortunately there are very few winners, Vogie. The majority of us lost last night when taking back control turned out to mean giving up control completely to the most corrupt, venal government in memory. 

[Phulublub]

26 minutes ago, kingdong said:

the only corruption in parliament has been in the last 4 years with the remainer mps refusing to accept a democratic binding referendum on leaving the eu.thankfully a peoples vote 3 years later put the present government in with a large majority who are going to respect the will of the people and take us out of the eu.

The referendum was not "binding" in any legal sense. 

 

ALL of the "remainer MPs" were elected by constituents who knew exactly where they stood on Brexit.  Should these MPs then have ignored the democratic mandate they had been given by the people who voted for them?

 

The "will of the people" is oft quoted by diehards.  A majority of the electorate has NEVER voted for Brexit.  A SMALL majority of those who did vote, voed for it - but some, perhaps many, were misled, mistaken, or believed the lies being spoken by BJ and his team.  How many would still vote yes?  How many of those who, previously did not think it worth their while to turn out would now be motivated enough to do so?   But that is all water under the bridge, unfortunately.

 

I beleived at the tiem, and still believe now, that for such a monumental change, there shoud have been a much greater return than 50% plus 1 to carry the day.  All such a low bar has done is to deepen division and drive many to extreme positions that are not helpful to anyone.  Those who were already there must be happy indeed.

 

It is not up to the UK whether the Country leaves on Australia terms (or Norway or Canada Plus or any of the other ideas that have been touted as the "solution" over the past months).  It is for the EU to agree. 

 

But the more the UK Government spits its dummy and proclaims they are in charge, the less and less likely any deal will be done. Some here will loudly applaud that; but in economic terms it is a disaster for the UK.  Border checks and procedures are likely to cost the UK more than the gross amount we used to send to Brussels; we got a substantial amount back directly, and much, much more indirectly.

 

PH

[Phulublub]

13 minutes ago, transam said:

You are going round in circles with basic voting stuff. You really are making yourself look a bit daft. You tell me, when has voting been any different regarding percentages.... ? 

It hasn't (except, perhaps in the 1979 Scottish referendum).But that does not make it right.

 

PH

[vogie]

Just now, RuamRudy said:

Unfortunately there are very few winners, Vogie. The majority of us lost last night when taking back control turned out to mean giving up control completely to the most corrupt, venal government in memory. 

You do have a tendency to overstate and I can only reiterate, how many remainers would jump at the chance of Mays deal now? If you want to blame someone, blame Corbyns Crusaders.

[vogie]

4 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

The referendum was not "binding" in any legal sense. 

 

ALL of the "remainer MPs" were elected by constituents who knew exactly where they stood on Brexit.  Should these MPs then have ignored the democratic mandate they had been given by the people who voted for them?

 

The "will of the people" is oft quoted by diehards.  A majority of the electorate has NEVER voted for Brexit.  A SMALL majority of those who did vote, voed for it - but some, perhaps many, were misled, mistaken, or believed the lies being spoken by BJ and his team.  How many would still vote yes?  How many of those who, previously did not think it worth their while to turn out would now be motivated enough to do so?   But that is all water under the bridge, unfortunately.

 

I beleived at the tiem, and still believe now, that for such a monumental change, there shoud have been a much greater return than 50% plus 1 to carry the day.  All such a low bar has done is to deepen division and drive many to extreme positions that are not helpful to anyone.  Those who were already there must be happy indeed.

 

It is not up to the UK whether the Country leaves on Australia terms (or Norway or Canada Plus or any of the other ideas that have been touted as the "solution" over the past months).  It is for the EU to agree. 

 

But the more the UK Government spits its dummy and proclaims they are in charge, the less and less likely any deal will be done. Some here will loudly applaud that; but in economic terms it is a disaster for the UK.  Border checks and procedures are likely to cost the UK more than the gross amount we used to send to Brussels; we got a substantial amount back directly, and much, much more indirectly.

 

PH

With all due respects you are 3 years too late with your post, all the points have been addressed.

[Phulublub]

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

8 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Unfortunately there are very few winners, Vogie. The majority of us lost last night when taking back control turned out to mean giving up control completely to the most corrupt, venal government in memory. 

You do have a tendency to overstate and I can only reiterate, how many remainers would jump at the chance of Mays deal now? If you want to blame someone, blame Corbyns Crusaders.

Perhaps you could address his major concern.  Are you content that the UK will allow foodstuffs to be imported that are produced using lower standards than UK based producers are subject to?

 

PH

[kingdong]

7 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

The referendum was not "binding" in any legal sense. 

 

ALL of the "remainer MPs" were elected by constituents who knew exactly where they stood on Brexit.  Should these MPs then have ignored the democratic mandate they had been given by the people who voted for them?

 

The "will of the people" is oft quoted by diehards.  A majority of the electorate has NEVER voted for Brexit.  A SMALL majority of those who did vote, voed for it - but some, perhaps many, were misled, mistaken, or believed the lies being spoken by BJ and his team.  How many would still vote yes?  How many of those who, previously did not think it worth their while to turn out would now be motivated enough to do so?   But that is all water under the bridge, unfortunately.

 

I beleived at the tiem, and still believe now, that for such a monumental change, there shoud have been a much greater return than 50% plus 1 to carry the day.  All such a low bar has done is to deepen division and drive many to extreme positions that are not helpful to anyone.  Those who were already there must be happy indeed.

 

It is not up to the UK whether the Country leaves on Australia terms (or Norway or Canada Plus or any of the other ideas that have been touted as the "solution" over the past months).  It is for the EU to agree. 

 

But the more the UK Government spits its dummy and proclaims they are in charge, the less and less likely any deal will be done. Some here will loudly applaud that; but in economic terms it is a disaster for the UK.  Border checks and procedures are likely to cost the UK more than the gross amount we used to send to Brussels; we got a substantial amount back directly, and much, much more indirectly.

 

PH

empty vessels we,re leaving.

[vogie]

Just now, Phulublub said:

Perhaps you could address his major concern.  Are you content that the UK will allow foodstuffs to be imported that are produced using lower standards than UK based producers are subject to?

 

PH

I will address the posts I chose to address and I don't need prompts from other posters, thank you for your understanding.

[Phulublub]

3 minutes ago, vogie said:

With all due respects you are 3 years too late with your post, all the points have been addressed.

Would you like to tell kingdong to shut up then, as I was merely replying to his/her post.

 

PH