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34 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

Spouses of Thais have not yet begin to be able to enter, it is still being discussed/arranged and far from easy.

They have already started the process of doing the applications for a certificate of entry at embassies and official consulates already.

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1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

I believe next we will be hearing about ‘Quarantine Corridors’ whereby countries with Low Covid-19 cases will permit Quarantine Free travel between themselves on direct flights. 

 

i.e. Thailand & Korea, Taiwan, Australia, NZ, Vietnam, UAE etc 

 

 

I hope

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44 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Fair point, I’m surprised the Virologists and Doctors studying Covid-19 don’t know this already. There really is no news or information of people who have had Covid-19 and caught it a second time? 

 

If I’m not mistaken, there is anywhere between 1 and 3 immunity for those who have caught the ‘other’ human Coronaviruses (i.e. common cold etc). 

 

One of the key factors in fighting Covid-19 is the knowledge as to whether or not there is immunity. 

 

 

 

I can also see this happening. Yet it may be a flawed approach. Nothing is water tight and attempting to prevent a virus from entering your country without herd immunity either through exposure and / or immunisation is impossible. 

 

Is Thailand holding onto its ‘firm lockdown’ in the hope that a vaccine becomes available and everyone is forced to take it? 

The flu vaccine is only 40-60% effective. Can a vaccine even be found? (It couldn’t for the common cold).

 

 

 

 

Have you ever met anyone who had a common cold once and never again? Same question for any of the coronaviruses. And, as with all viruses, they mutate so they're very difficult to nail down. That's why the flu vaccine changes every year.

I think the best we can hope for is something that reduces the effects to make it manageable without heavy machinery like ventilators. A bit like Lemsip is to a common cold. Something that would keep most infections out of intensive care. Alternatively we have to hope the virus mutates into something less vicious. We're not doomed yet...

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17 hours ago, SteveMack said:

with g/f for 8 years now, Why you say dont send any money ?

Let her work will do her good

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1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

I believe next we will be hearing about ‘Quarantine Corridors’ whereby countries with Low Covid-19 cases will permit Quarantine Free travel between themselves on direct flights. 

 

i.e. Thailand & Korea, Taiwan, Australia, NZ, Vietnam, UAE etc 

 

 

"Quarantine Corridors" is like talking about santa. As for group of countries you suggest straight away you can cross out AU, NZ.

In au today Victoria had 41 new cases. Some borders closed to Victorians now by some states. The au PM made statements indicating negative thoughts about the bubble concept. 

You either open borders (without quarantine) or don't. The later would cause economic implosion.

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4 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

"Quarantine Corridors" is like talking about santa. As for group of countries you suggest straight away you can cross out AU, NZ.

In au today Victoria had 41 new cases. Some borders closed to Victorians now by some states. The au PM made statements indicating negative thoughts about the bubble concept. 

You either open borders (without quarantine) or don't. The later would cause economic implosion.

Australia has yet to eliminate community transmission, but New Zealand has been Covid-19 free (apart from cases detected in returning New Zealanders in quarantine) for over a month. There are discussions about, possibly, keeping the border controls in place between certain Australian states, and allowed a travel bubble between New Zealand and the Covid-19 free Australian states.

 

The most interesting situation is that in China. There has been an unexpected outbreak originating at Asia's largest fresh food market in Beijing. This ended a long period with virtually no community transmission in China. Given China's huge population, the low rate of infections suggests allowing travellers to enter from China would be low risk (as far as I know, there has not been a single case of an infected person from China being detected elsewhere in the world since February). However, some do not trust China's official figures.

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The people who control things are going to need things getting back to normal sooner rather than later. Unless they are making more money in other ways, which is highly possible. 

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20 hours ago, HerbyJFlash said:

I agree we don’t have much hope. But S korea , Taiwan and China haven’t gone 30 days and are in the bubbles.

There are no travel bubbles,yet from any country. It's a terrible idea anyway. 

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2 hours ago, BritTim said:

There are discussions about, possibly, keeping the border controls in place between certain Australian states, and allowed a travel bubble between New Zealand and the Covid-19 free Australian states.

Is that a joke. So your thinking with Victoria closed off to other states of Australia, there has been "discussion" .

Rubbish post. Show link. 

Yes there was past tense "discussion"

There will be zero bubble anytime soon AU and NZ. Read up on au PM recent comments along with state Premiers.

 

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4 hours ago, mrfill said:

Have you ever met anyone who had a common cold once and never again? Same question for any of the coronaviruses. And, as with all viruses, they mutate so they're very difficult to nail down. That's why the flu vaccine changes every year.

I think the best we can hope for is something that reduces the effects to make it manageable without heavy machinery like ventilators. A bit like Lemsip is to a common cold. Something that would keep most infections out of intensive care. Alternatively we have to hope the virus mutates into something less vicious. We're not doomed yet...

 

And thats why it's the ‘common cold’, we maintain a degree of immunity minimising the impact. 

If we had no degree of immunity the impact of the ‘common cold’ could knock a nation off its feet. 

 

We’ve all heard the suggestion that if we were to travel back in time carrying the common cold we could knock out an ancient civilisation. 

 

Present day immunity does not mean we cannot have symptoms, it means our body’s immune system is strong enough to suppress the symptoms such that they are not severe and we just get the ’snivels’ every year.

 

The Common Cold is actually various strains of human coronavirus which circulate and resurface. 

These ‘common' human Coronaviruses are the Alpha Coronaviruses 229E and NL63 and also the Beta Coronaviruses OC43, HKU1 - as these viruses circulate the globe and evolve, our immunity evolves with them.

 

Once exposed humans carry immunity to the ‘common' human Coronaviruses for between 1 and 3 years depending on the strain and the person. 

 

The ‘other’ human Coronaviruses are SARS-CoV (the original outbreak of SARS), MERS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2.

 

 

Influenza is more severe than the ‘common' human Coronaviruses, hence, it is recommended that those in 'high risk groups’ (asthmatics, the elderly etc) are vaccinated. Decades of study have allowed virologists to predict the antigenic drift, although they are sometimes caught out, the H1N1 outbreak in 2009 is an example of this. 

 

 

Thus: If we also have immunity to SARS-CoV-2 it won’t meant that we cannot get Covid-19, but it could mean that our symptoms are so mild that we just get the ’snivels’. In fact it would seem the vast majority of the population are already immune, ±85% anyway who show no symptoms of very mild symptoms. 

 

I am wondering if immunity is carried over from any of the common Alpha or Beta Coronaviruses and those who are impacted more severely have not been exposed to one of these ’key’ viruses within the past couple of years and thus responsd more severely (just at thought).

 

Perhaps one of the Alpha or Beta Coronaviruses swept through South East Asia recently which is why the impact of SARS-CoV-2 has been so (relatively) minimal.

 

 

If we ever learn this for certain - perhaps Thailand could remove all lockdown after the realisation that most people are immune. We could just get on with our lives. 

 

So, when can the Op get into Thailand - when more is known about the virus and ultimately the paranoia stops. 

 

IMO - the lockdown can never water tight. IF people are taking Covid-19 tests prior to boarding flights (less than 72hrs) - the risk of any spread is minimised such that there really isn’t any risk to the general Thai population. 

 

 

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Posted (edited)

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Even if you do get here, in the not near future, you will face 14 days self qurantine in Thailand, then another ? 14 day on return to UK. Surgest you forget it for this year.

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8 hours ago, Enzian said:

Say I'd like to go from LOS where I am to Vietnam (where I have in-laws) before the end of the year, a modest request I'd say. Will Vietnam look at the low rate in Thailand where I've been Covid-free for months, or at my US passport? And if I even get to Vietnam, what will Thailand look at when I try to return, my US passport or my stay in a safe country?

If a travel bubble opens up between Thailand and Vietnam, your passport country will not matter. It is still uncertain if this will happen, and, if so, when. I think the chances are good for such a travel bubble by late in the year if both countries remain Covid-19 free.

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Dont forget about Canada eh. Our numbers aren't too bad, were only a couple countries above China at the moment on worldometers virus count, and they have a green light it appears, very low in British Columbia Canada where I'm stuck. Keeping in contact with THAI embassy here thats all us Non O Multi folks can do at the moment. Something will happen in August/September I think.

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12 minutes ago, CANSIAM said:

Dont forget about Canada eh. Our numbers aren't too bad, were only a couple countries above China at the moment on worldometers virus count, and they have a green light

If you wanna go by the statistical comparison.

China cases per 1M population - 58

Canada cases per 1M population - 2,759

Not even close...

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