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7 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

If the 'enter before' date is March 2021, you can leave and re-enter on or just before that date and get a new 1 year entry until March 2022 with the Thai approved Health Insurance.

The issue date was 31 July 2019. I enetered last on the 1 March 2020. So i am good until 28 Feb 2021. My plan though was to head out about the 27 - 28 of July for one day and re-enter. That would give me until the end of July 2021.  

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Sorry for your troubles, but join the club of those of us in similar awful situations...most of us locked OUT of The Kingdom and away from our homes and family. The government will do nothing. They don't care. They don't reason. They don't think. They don't get it. Couldn't give a 💩.

 

The end. :post-4641-1156693976:

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40 minutes ago, Snow Leopard said:

The issue date was 31 July 2019. I enetered last on the 1 March 2020. So i am good until 28 Feb 2021. My plan though was to head out about the 27 - 28 of July for one day and re-enter. That would give me until the end of July 2021.  

Your in the same position as @Peter Denis and probably a few more.

Unfortunately, although my own personal opinion, I think the amnesty will be extended until the end of August, even September, which will be when possible locally agreed 'travel bubbles' allowing local borders to open without restrictions will occur.

That in effect means you will lose part of the possible two years permission of stay you could have obtained from your O-A Visa.

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3 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

Your in the same position as @Peter Denis and probably a few more.

Unfortunately, although my own personal opinion, I think the amnesty will be extended until the end of August, even September, which will be when possible locally agreed 'travel bubbles' allowing local borders to open without restrictions will occur.

That in effect means you will lose part of the possible two years permission of stay you could have obtained from your O-A Visa.

Yes I was in almost same situation but somewhat earlier.

My Non Imm O-A Visa was valid till 18 June 2020, and I hoped I would have the chance to do a quick border-run before its validity expired, but with borders closed I was not able to do that.

Luckily I didn't lose my full 2nd year, as I had made a trip to Cambodia and re-entered Thailand end of January, so my permission to stay is valid till end January 2021.  But indeed I lost 4,5 months of my potential full 2nd year due to these border-closures.

@Snow Leopard >> In your post you mentioned the issue date of your Non Imm O-A Visa, but it is the 'valid until' date which is of relevance, in your case that will probably be 30 July 2020.  So if you are able to exit and re-enter before that date you will secure a full 2nd year permission of stay.  Hope that will possible by then.  Cheers!

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21 minutes ago, Skeptic7 said:

Sorry for your troubles, but join the club of those of us in similar awful situations...most of us locked OUT of The Kingdom and away from our homes and family. The government will do nothing. They don't care. They don't reason. They don't think. They don't get it. Couldn't give a 💩.

 

The end. :post-4641-1156693976:

Whilst I sympathise with your predicament, the Thai government cares about it's own citizens first.

Just look at the Countries who started lifting even local restrictions and are now experiencing second waves of Covid. China, S. Korea, India, Iran, Spain, Israel, Turkey and the USA where new confirmed cases haven't fallen below 20,000 per day since April.

 

It was obvious back in February what would transpire the world over as the virus spread. Many of us had travel plans to visit family, or they visit us that had to be cancelled for an unforeseeable future. It sucks, but it is what it is.

Thailand can't be faulted for it's handling of the situation compared to other Countries.

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14 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

Whilst I sympathise with your predicament, the Thai government cares about it's own citizens first.

Prioritizing one's own people is admirable.  It is good they finally expanded to use more of those empty hotels, so more of their citizens can come back per-day. 

 

I don't think the PI doesn't care about it's people, though - in fact, this is why they always let PI-citizen's family members return on reparation flights.
 

14 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

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It was obvious back in February what would transpire the world over as the virus spread. Many of us had travel plans to visit family, or they visit us that had to be cancelled for an unforeseeable future. It sucks, but it is what it is.

Thailand can't be faulted for it's handling of the situation compared to other Countries.

That was not at all obvious to most in Feb.  One would have gotten "tin-foil" responses if predicting, then, what has actually transpired since.  This is unprecedented in scope and duration. 

 

Those who are stuck outside Thailand - or stuck inside w/o a way to get a new visa - could not have predicted the severity or duration of this.

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12 hours ago, jonwilly said:

Renewed my Type O 12 month visa last week in Chiang Mai. I always use a Visa Agent, as best in town, I was with the immigration official for 5 mins max.

I was 42 days early as I like to get my admin out of the way as soon as possible.

 

john

Why not try to do it yourself instead of paying an agent? 

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2 hours ago, Skeptic7 said:

Sorry for your troubles, but join the club of those of us in similar awful situations...most of us locked OUT of The Kingdom and away from our homes and family. The government will do nothing. They don't care. They don't reason. They don't think. They don't get it. Couldn't give a 💩.

 

The end. :post-4641-1156693976:

May I ask why you left Thailand? If you're married to a Thai or have Thai kids,then you meet the requirements for an inbound flight if you apply at the Thai embassy in your home country. 

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1 hour ago, JackThompson said:

That was not at all obvious to most in Feb.  One would have gotten "tin-foil" responses if predicting, then, what has actually transpired since.  This is unprecedented in scope and duration. 

Then they must have had their head buried in the sand.

The first confirmed case came on Jan 1st (China) followed by the first confirmed report in Thailand on 13th January. 

WHO’s situation report for 30 January reported 7818 total confirmed cases worldwide, with the majority of these in China, and 82 cases reported in 18 countries outside China. WHO gave a risk assessment of very high for China, and high at the global level.

By the mid to end of February almost all European Countries had confirmed cases of Covid.

 

Maybe some 'tin foil' heads, the prediction was clearly reported by the WHO and lockdowns worldwide were inevitable to contain the spread.

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I’m under 50 so retirement visa is not an option for me.

 

I am also reluctant to apply for any other type of visa (medical, student, etc.) to get around this when I have a legitimate reason for being here.

 

I do not see myself paying 35k to an agent to sort this out for me for a number of reasons.

 

The choice I see now is

Leave the country (either before 31 July or a new extension date yet to be given) and apply for the 90 day ‘conversion’ followed by an application of the yearly spouse ‘O’ upon my return.

I am ok to do this if it’s clearly stated I will be able to return after a one day trip to a neighbouring country as per pre covid days. If re-entry is not permitted or unknown, I’m in a jam.

 

Another thing I didn’t think of was that I would have to be quarantined for 2 weeks in a government accepted facility. I haven’t read on this further so not sure of exact details. Obviously I would much prefer to self quarantine in my own home if/when allowed to come back.

 

If someone has advise or other options pls share..

 

In the meantime after speaking to a couple of local friends, they suggested going to government house and the missus lodge a formal complaint. They also added that if there were more than one case/ complaints the likes of this, it would be taken more seriously.

 

A bit more info on me,.. I’ve been in Thailand over 20 years, initially on a WP with business/ work visa and later changed to a spouse ‘O’ visa which I had extended for over 10 years without problem. About 18 months ago I had to let my extension lapse because I couldn’t stay in Thailand during the extension period; Immigration stated I had to be in Thailand for a month waiting for their approval while work required me to travel every 2 weeks. The IO at CW actually told me, ‘No problem, let it lapse and apply later when you can.’  No blames at the officer whatsoever, i made the decision to not extend, I didn’t really have a choice, work came first. Between that time and just before covid hit, I did have a few long lectures at DM about why I wasn’t on a spouse visa which i had to explain over and over and over until the officers saw my predicament, Suvharnambum was much better in this respect, walk straight through…

 

I have a house here (under wife of course), drivers license, yellow tabien barn house book,.. even a pink ID card,..  2 kids and an extended Thai family. I do not have any other property elsewhere, all I own is here.

 

I’m sure there are others in a similar situation. If you think that a complaint at government house is worthwhile pls let me know. Also do share if you see negative outcomes in doing this.

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18 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

They are correct about needing 15 days remaining on a standard permit to stay form a visa exempt or tourist visa entry or a extension of them.

 

So for example if im on a 60 day extension with the purpose of seasoning 400k in the bank then i have to apply for the 1 year extension 15 days or ealier before that extension runs out? 

 

So if one put the required money in a thai bank 2 months before the expiry of the 60 day extension then it wouldnt be seasoned long enough for a 1 year extension?  So basically if doing this now before the amnesty runs out you would need to start seasoning the money atleast 17 days before applying for the first extension? 

 

I am supposed to apply for 60 day extension on the 15th for this reason but if this is this case then i would have to wait to apply for that extension until 30-31th to make up for the lost 15 days. 

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5 hours ago, Okis said:

So for example if im on a 60 day extension with the purpose of seasoning 400k in the bank then i have to apply for the 1 year extension 15 days or ealier before that extension runs out? 

That is not required to apply for a extension of stay. The 15 days is only needed when apply for a 90 day non immigrant visa at immigration. You can apply for a extension on the last day of your permit it stay if you want to.

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6 hours ago, Okis said:

So for example if im on a 60 day extension with the purpose of seasoning 400k in the bank then i have to apply for the 1 year extension 15 days or ealier before that extension runs out? 

 

So if one put the required money in a thai bank 2 months before the expiry of the 60 day extension then it wouldnt be seasoned long enough for a 1 year extension?  So basically if doing this now before the amnesty runs out you would need to start seasoning the money atleast 17 days before applying for the first extension? 

 

I am supposed to apply for 60 day extension on the 15th for this reason but if this is this case then i would have to wait to apply for that extension until 30-31th to make up for the lost 15 days. 

UJ already clarified that you can apply for the 1-year extension of stay until last day of the permission to stay your 60-day extension for reason of visiting your wife provided you. 

So when opting for the 400K money-in-bank method to meet the financial requirements for a 1-year extension of stay, you can deposit the money just before applying for the 60-day extension of stay, and then it will be seasoned for 2 months when applying for the 1-year extension at the end of the permission to stay that 60-day extension provided you.

Alternatively you can also use the monthly-income transfer method, which requires at least 2 transfers of 40K (with foreign origins proven) in the 2 months preceding your application (so if you are running short on 'seasoning time' for the money-in-bank method, using this method might solve that possible issue).  But in that case check with your local IO or on the Forum, what practice your local IO follows, as some IOs (incorrectly) require 3 monthly transfers instead of two.

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IMPORTANT

> I am not fully sure that IO will handle your application for the 60-days extension of stay by letting it start from the date of application.  There is at least one report where IO 'back-dated' the 60-days extension of stay and had it start from the date when the permission to stay as stamped in the applicants passport expired.  In that case you will not be able to meet the 'seasoning' requirements for your 1-year extension of stay, when your permission to stay already expired more than 1 month ago during the Amnesty.

Maybe @ubonjoe or @Tanoshi can clarify.

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11 hours ago, Tanoshi said:

Then they must have had their head buried in the sand.

The first confirmed case came on Jan 1st (China) followed by the first confirmed report in Thailand on 13th January. 

So Thailand immediately closed its border to China, right - to protect their people?  No, they listened to the WHO and Beijing, and the "new year" Money.

 

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WHO’s situation report for 30 January reported 7818 total confirmed cases worldwide, with the majority of these in China, and 82 cases reported in 18 countries outside China. WHO gave a risk assessment of very high for China, and high at the global level.

And, the WHO said to keep borders open, which most nations did.  When the USA closed to China, the insults included "xenophobic" and "racist." 

 

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WHO continues to advise against the application of travel or trade restrictions to countries experiencing COVID-19 outbreaks.  (29 February 2020,COVID-19 Travel Advice - WHO Article)

https://www.who.int/news-room/articles-detail/updated-who-recommendations-for-international-traffic-in-relation-to-covid-19-outbreak

 

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By the mid to end of February almost all European Countries had confirmed cases of Covid.

Yet, the borders were still open, and no plan to close them yet.  That happened in March, when world-wide corona-response policy changed.

 

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Maybe some 'tin foil' heads, the prediction was clearly reported by the WHO and lockdowns worldwide were inevitable to contain the spread.

WHO said nothing of the sort until later.  This did not occur for Swine Flu, or previous corona outbreaks (SARS, MERS).

 

You could possibly fault those who left in the last week before the closure, though many of them had to go for work, to support their families - not "for fun" - and now cannot see their families, because of Thailand's cruel policy to "foreign" family members of Thais (typical - only recently amended, after a world-wide campaign publicizing their policy with pics of kids missing 'dad', etc).

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