Fauci warns spread of COVID-19 'could get very bad', says no guarantee of vaccine

[johnpetersen]

40 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

Fascinating how 'the media' has made themselves the center of everything and the arbiter of facts. 

 

Nothing like a bunch of unelected and hyper-opinionated d*ckheads deciding what should and should not be said. 

When Trump repeatedly makes false claims like "

We had a ventilator problem that was caused by the fact that we weren’t left ventilators by a previous administration. The cupboards were bare, as I say often.”

— President Trump, remarks at the White House, April 30, 2020

 

you think that members of the media should pretend that they're stenographers and just take dictation?

In fact, there were 16,600 ventilators in stock.

[Mama Noodle]

1 hour ago, johnpetersen said:

you think that members of the media should pretend that they're stenographers and just take dictation?

 

Members of the media are unelected d*ckheads and should give ELECTED politicians their say. 

[johnpetersen]

2 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

Members of the media are unelected d*ckheads and should give ELECTED politicians their say. 

And how is identifying a falsehood denying a politician his say?

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

Funny, I don't feel like a pariah, never been treated like a pariah, and nobody in real life ever talks to me like people on this forum do - so all I see are paper tigers with BIG opinions who share only when they feel safe and anonymous. 

I was referring to the fact Immigration officials in most countries will tell Americans they are denied entry. However, if it boosts your self esteem to be the tough guy, go for it.

So what would you do if I expressed my opinions to your face - beat me up, or shoot me? I'm trying to remember who said violence was the last refuge of the incompetent.

[Rimmer]

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[Mama Noodle]

23 minutes ago, johnpetersen said:

And how is identifying a falsehood denying a politician his say?

 

Because people elected a person to speak.

 

If "the media" wants to be arbiters of truth and lies then thats not being a 'reporter' is it? 

 

Media should give all sides their say in the matter, otherwise you further divide the country and <deleted> people off. 

[Mama Noodle]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

I was referring to the fact Immigration officials in most countries will tell Americans they are denied entry. However, if it boosts your self esteem to be the tough guy, go for it.

So what would you do if I expressed my opinions to your face - beat me up, or shoot me? I'm trying to remember who said violence was the last refuge of the incompetent.

 

Thats a bit rich after weeks of riots and assault, isn't it? 

[spidermike007]

While Fauci rants on about the cases there is no mention of the substantial drop in mortality rates. 

 

Nor is there any mention of what one can do to build up their immune system. Diet. Exercise. Attitude. Just the same stuff we have been hearing for months now. 

[steelepulse]

1 minute ago, spidermike007 said:

While Fauci rants on about the cases there is no mention of the substantial drop in mortality rates. 

 

Nor is there any mention of what one can do to build up their immune system. Diet. Exercise. Attitude. Just the same stuff we have been hearing for months now. 

Correct.  Got to keep the fear mongering up so that payday at the end of all the fear mongering pays off.  That vaccine will be a nice golden parachute.

[Stargeezr]

Well today the USA is the last place on earth that I would travel to. I also hope that

Canada keeps the Americans from coming across the border until next year, as it

will take that long to see the numbers in the US go down.

  I think a lot of Americans are like their Heinz Pickles, and you can't tell a Heinz

Pickle nothing..  So many of them think that they are the superior country and 

will not listen to anyone else. Number One.  The surges in the USA are going

to just increase if they do not get a major attitude change. Good to hear that maybe

some bars will get closed. Close the beaches as the population seems to be to stupid

to social distance.  President Trump has not set a good example hardly once.

   Have all of you tried his bleach cure yet?  The blonde gal doing his talks seems so

blonde!  Good Luck USA as there will likely be a lot of you dead by this time next year

especially if you are over 60 and have young teens or young adults who do not care if

they get sick with covid as they will likely survive. Ask yourselves, when is the last time

the young generation gives a dang about old people, or will stay away from them if

the young one was partying or beach going, protesting, or other crowd activities without

masks gloves or such for precautions. I think the rest of 2020 will be a rough year on

lots of people.

Geezer

[johnpetersen]

16 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

While Fauci rants on about the cases there is no mention of the substantial drop in mortality rates. 

 

Nor is there any mention of what one can do to build up their immune system. Diet. Exercise. Attitude. Just the same stuff we have been hearing for months now. 

Fauci ranting? Really? Please share with us a video of him doing that.

 

At any rate there are several reasons why deaths are down.

 

The most important one is that thanks to strict rules, the states of the northeast that were contributing most to deaths have drastically reduced their number of cases. Previously the bulk of deaths came from them.

 

Second, health care workers have learned better how to treat the ill and there are a few medications out there now that have improved the odds of survival

 

Third,  now, young people make up a larger proportion of the infected

 

But 

 

There is a lag time between the development of symptoms and death. The average is about 3 weeks

 

Right now young people make up a much larger percentage of the infected. But as time goes by, it's likely that they will transmit infections to older people,

 

Collateral damage. ICU hospital beds are filling up in states such as Texas, Florida and Arizona. That means that not all people who are ill with other diseases, will get the care they need. So their mortality rate should rise. They may not be dead from a Covid infection, but is that an important distinction?

 

And authorities have noted that obesity is a major contributing factor to mortality.

[johnpetersen]

57 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

Because people elected a person to speak.

 

If "the media" wants to be arbiters of truth and lies then thats not being a 'reporter' is it? 

 

Media should give all sides their say in the matter, otherwise you further divide the country and <deleted> people off. 

I have no idea what you mean be people elected a person to speak. The elected a person to be president.

Well, to your way of thinking "reporter" apparently means "recorder". There are matters of opinion and matters of fact. For example, can you tell me how Trump's declaration that he inherited no ventilators from the Obama administration is a matter of opinion?

[Eric Loh]

34 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

While Fauci rants on about the cases there is no mention of the substantial drop in mortality rates. 

 

Nor is there any mention of what one can do to build up their immune system. Diet. Exercise. Attitude. Just the same stuff we have been hearing for months now. 

This was what Dr. Fauci said about drop in covid 19 mortality rates in case you missed it.

 

An important point to keep in mind is that it takes time before people infected with the coronavirus get sick enough to die. “Deaths always lag considerably behind cases,” Anthony Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease specialist, said at a congressional hearing last week. A month ago, there were fewer COVID-19 cases per day, so death rates now could be reflecting those numbers. Some experts expect death rates will rise over the next month to reflect the current surge in cases, 

[johnpetersen]

5 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

This was what Dr. Fauci said about drop in covid 19 mortality rates in case you missed it.

 

An important point to keep in mind is that it takes time before people infected with the coronavirus get sick enough to die. “Deaths always lag considerably behind cases,” Anthony Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease specialist, said at a congressional hearing last week. A month ago, there were fewer COVID-19 cases per day, so death rates now could be reflecting those numbers. Some experts expect death rates will rise over the next month to reflect the current surge in cases, 

To be fair, and I forgot to list this, it may be that some have immunity to this virus due to previous encounters with other similar viruses. No one knows much about this yet, but it could be the case. Still, you hardly want to plan what to do during a pandemic based on a hope.

[mtls2005]

5 hours ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Jair Bolsonaro was forced to wear a mask, maybe Trump can be forced to wear a one.

 

trump wears an orange mask every day. Hair and makeup staff must spend at least an hour each day making him presentable. And he still looks like a racoon.

 

But a mask, oh the horror.

 

100,000 new cases per day sounds terrible. But then the U.S.A. is number 1.

 

 

[steelepulse]

16 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

This was what Dr. Fauci said about drop in covid 19 mortality rates in case you missed it.

 

An important point to keep in mind is that it takes time before people infected with the coronavirus get sick enough to die. “Deaths always lag considerably behind cases,” Anthony Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease specialist, said at a congressional hearing last week. A month ago, there were fewer COVID-19 cases per day, so death rates now could be reflecting those numbers. Some experts expect death rates will rise over the next month to reflect the current surge in cases, 

On the opposite of this,  infectious diseases specialist Prof Matteo Bassetti says Covid-19 has been losing its virulence,  " Coronavirus has downgraded from a "tiger to a wild cat" and could die out on its own without a vaccine, an infectious diseases specialist has claimed.

Prof Matteo Bassetti, head of the infectious diseases clinic at the Policlinico San Martino hospital in Italy, told The Telegraph that Covid-19 has been losing its virulence in the last month and patients who would have previously died are now recovering."

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/20/coronavirus-has-downgraded-tiger-wild-cat-could-die-without/

Edited July 1, 2020 by metisdead
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[yuyiinthesky]

1 hour ago, johnpetersen said:

And how is identifying a falsehood denying a politician his say?

Replacing falsehood A with falsehood B is not really better.

[yuyiinthesky]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

Unless Americans wear masks and recommit to social distancing, the daily increase in new cases nationwide, currently around 40,000, could reach 100,000, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told a U.S. Senate committee.

Good, herd immunity will get reached faster, not slowed down artificially again.

 

Maybe Fauci should look a little to other continents, Europe, Asia, cases down, deaths down, whatever the strategy was. He could learn something.

And then teach a little about working on your health, how being obese, being fat, living on junk food, makes your body much more vulnerable to this virus. Everywhere else the deaths are almost only in the age group of 65 and older, only in the US its already around 45, and probably even younger.

 

Is the virus targeting Americans, or are Americans more easy victims, and if so, why? Fix that.

 

But no, it’s all about the election now, and money, scaremongering is the game.

Edited July 1, 2020 by yuyiinthesky

[johnpetersen]

13 minutes ago, yuyiinthesky said:

Good, herd immunity will get reached faster, not slowed down artificially again.

 

Maybe Fauci should look a little to other continents, Europe, Asia, cases down, deaths down, whatever the strategy was. He could learn something.

And then teach a little about working on your health, how being obese, being fat, living on junk food, makes your body much more vulnerable to this virus. Everywhere else the deaths are almost only in the age group of 65 and older, only in the US its already around 45, and probably even younger.

 

Is the virus targeting Americans, or are Americans more easy victims, and if so, why? Fix that.

 

But no, it’s all about the election now, and money, scaremongering is the game.

It's Fauci's fault that Trump didn't advocate following the White House Task's force recommendations? It's Fauci's fault that the governors of way too many states did the same?

Trump and those governors were warned what the consequences would be if they reopened too early and those chose to ignore those warning.

And the huge rise in hospitalizations is all about the elections? I didn't know that Texas, Florida and Arizona among others were governed by Democrats. Good to know.

[Damual Travesty]

Now he wants Americans to wear masks. Yet I distinctly remember them saying don't wear masks it's safe to ride the packed to the gills NY subway and trains to NJ without masks. Go to hell  Fauci - all this clown is trying to do now is cover his ass. They have all been nothing more then mealy mouth worms who give nothing concrete . It's up to the herd to protect itself old style now - build up immunity and get strong.

 

No economy can survive a prolonged lock-down, the people are now confused. They are confused because the medical leadership of the USA - and for that matter - most of Europe - and the USA got conflicting advice from the medical professionals on what do do - they also failed to prepare - failed to sound alarms - failed in every way. The President, politicians - etc - all turned to these clowns and they simply spit garbage day after day. Time for them to simply step aside and shut their mouths. They are no longer relevant.

 

I am sure that in every closed door meeting him and that other woman whatever her name was left everyone at the table confused with their double sideways incomprehensible medical CYA speeches! Get lost!

[Lacessit]

3 hours ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

Thats a bit rich after weeks of riots and assault, isn't it? 

Depends on your point of view. Peaceful protestors being cleared from a street with tear gas and rubber bullets so POTUS can brandish a bible for a photo opportunity is a bit rich too. Or were the police carrying out their lawful duty in breach of the First Amendment?

 

[Dap]

9 hours ago, utalkin2me said:

0 credibility. Does not matter what this lying hack says. 

This "lying hack" with "0 credibility" has been the Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases since 1984 (36 Years) and advisor to the previous five presidents of the U.S. and now a leading member of the Trump Administration's White House Coronavirus Task Force. And your credentials are? Or were you referring to the sitting president?

[Opl]

1 hour ago, Damual Travesty said:

Now he wants Americans to wear masks. Yet I distinctly remember them saying don't wear masks it's safe to ride the packed to the gills NY subway and trains to NJ without masks. Go to hell  Fauci - all this clown is trying to do now is cover his ass. They have all been nothing more then mealy mouth worms who give nothing concrete . It's up to the herd to protect itself old style now - build up immunity and get strong.

 

No economy can survive a prolonged lock-down, the people are now confused. They are confused because the medical leadership of the USA - and for that matter - most of Europe - and the USA got conflicting advice from the medical professionals on what do do - they also failed to prepare - failed to sound alarms - failed in every way. The President, politicians - etc - all turned to these clowns and they simply spit garbage day after day. Time for them to simply step aside and shut their mouths. They are no longer relevant.

 

I am sure that in every closed door meeting him and that other woman whatever her name was left everyone at the table confused with their double sideways incomprehensible medical CYA speeches! Get lost!

and concretely: do you wear a mask? 

[brucec64]

4 hours ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

Because people elected a person to speak.

 

If "the media" wants to be arbiters of truth and lies then thats not being a 'reporter' is it? 

 

Media should give all sides their say in the matter, otherwise you further divide the country and <deleted> people off. 

It appears that you just don't quite get the role of the fourth estate. Did you pass, or even attend, civics class?

[brucec64]

2 hours ago, Damual Travesty said:

Now he wants Americans to wear masks. Yet I distinctly remember them saying don't wear masks it's safe to ride the packed to the gills NY subway and trains to NJ without masks. Go to hell  Fauci - all this clown is trying to do now is cover his ass. They have all been nothing more then mealy mouth worms who give nothing concrete . It's up to the herd to protect itself old style now - build up immunity and get strong.

 

No economy can survive a prolonged lock-down, the people are now confused. They are confused because the medical leadership of the USA - and for that matter - most of Europe - and the USA got conflicting advice from the medical professionals on what do do - they also failed to prepare - failed to sound alarms - failed in every way. The President, politicians - etc - all turned to these clowns and they simply spit garbage day after day. Time for them to simply step aside and shut their mouths. They are no longer relevant.

 

I am sure that in every closed door meeting him and that other woman whatever her name was left everyone at the table confused with their double sideways incomprehensible medical CYA speeches! Get lost!

The rest of the world has figured this out and coming out the other side now. Only US and Brazil, who has their own version of Trump, are a complete mess.

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, Damual Travesty said:

Now he wants Americans to wear masks. Yet I distinctly remember them saying don't wear masks it's safe to ride the packed to the gills NY subway and trains to NJ without masks. Go to hell  Fauci - all this clown is trying to do now is cover his ass. They have all been nothing more then mealy mouth worms who give nothing concrete . It's up to the herd to protect itself old style now - build up immunity and get strong.

 

No economy can survive a prolonged lock-down, the people are now confused. They are confused because the medical leadership of the USA - and for that matter - most of Europe - and the USA got conflicting advice from the medical professionals on what do do - they also failed to prepare - failed to sound alarms - failed in every way. The President, politicians - etc - all turned to these clowns and they simply spit garbage day after day. Time for them to simply step aside and shut their mouths. They are no longer relevant.

 

I am sure that in every closed door meeting him and that other woman whatever her name was left everyone at the table confused with their double sideways incomprehensible medical CYA speeches! Get lost!

Seem a convenient topic to get at Dr. Fauci from the Trumpers if taken out of context. Fauci was concerned at that time when personal protective equipment like masks including the N95 and surgical masks were in short supply and needed by the front line workers and emergency personnel and thus made that statement that masks not recommended to the general public as it was needed by the first responders. Around that time in April, the National Strategic Stockpile was depleted thanks to Trump.

 

The medical leadership was the best thing that was and is still happening when the nation leadership was and is still spouting non science nonsense and making false assumptions. The economic meltdown is being prolonged because of poor leader like Trump who surrendered his responsibilities to state governors to make decision rather than a federal policies. Every states were doing their own version of re-opening with some following CDC guidelines and some totally ignore. 

 

 

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[nickmondo]

9 hours ago, tribalfusion001 said:

It doesn't look like the protests have contributed to the spike, most of the protesters wore masks. Same in the UK, no spikes where the protests were.

so you have not heard about Leicester?

[cmarshall]

3 hours ago, steelepulse said:

On the opposite of this,  infectious diseases specialist Prof Matteo Bassetti says Covid-19 has been losing its virulence,  " Coronavirus has downgraded from a "tiger to a wild cat" and could die out on its own without a vaccine, an infectious diseases specialist has claimed.

Prof Matteo Bassetti, head of the infectious diseases clinic at the Policlinico San Martino hospital in Italy, told The Telegraph that Covid-19 has been losing its virulence in the last month and patients who would have previously died are now recovering."

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/20/coronavirus-has-downgraded-tiger-wild-cat-could-die-without/

This sounds like wishful thinking to me.  It's true that some pathogens evolve toward reduced lethality over time.  It's thought, for example, that measles and mumps originally appeared as lethal diseases as some point in the past, but have evolved to mild childhood diseases.  But that evolution, if it occurred, presumably took hundreds of years.  The six or eight months since Covid-19 appeared seems far to short for it to evolve toward less lethality, especially considering the substantial number of asymptomatic carriers (which would mitigate the need to become less lethal.)

[johnpetersen]

3 hours ago, Damual Travesty said:

Now he wants Americans to wear masks. Yet I distinctly remember them saying don't wear masks it's safe to ride the packed to the gills NY subway and trains to NJ without masks. Go to hell  Fauci - all this clown is trying to do now is cover his ass. They have all been nothing more then mealy mouth worms who give nothing concrete . It's up to the herd to protect itself old style now - build up immunity and get strong.

 

No economy can survive a prolonged lock-down, the people are now confused. They are confused because the medical leadership of the USA - and for that matter - most of Europe - and the USA got conflicting advice from the medical professionals on what do do - they also failed to prepare - failed to sound alarms - failed in every way. The President, politicians - etc - all turned to these clowns and they simply spit garbage day after day. Time for them to simply step aside and shut their mouths. They are no longer relevant.

 

I am sure that in every closed door meeting him and that other woman whatever her name was left everyone at the table confused with their double sideways incomprehensible medical CYA speeches! Get lost!

As Coronavirus Cases Spike, Many GOP Lawmakers Back Masks and Tests

The new emphasis comes as the pandemic shifts to southern and western states

Many congressional Republicans are throwing their support behind the use of masks and robust testing as coronavirus cases spike in some GOP-led states, taking a more urgent stance on the matter than President Trump...

Faced with rising infections and hospitalizations, many GOP lawmakers representing a swath of southern and western states are increasingly urging their constituents to wear masks, socially distance and get tested.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/as-coronavirus-cases-spike-many-gop-lawmakers-back-masks-and-tests-11593270000

 

As the pandemic sweeps red states, Republicans belatedly get behind mask-wearing.

"On Monday afternoon, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell opened the week’s session by imploring “each family, each small business, each employer, and all levels of government to apply common sense” to combat the spread of the coronavirus, which has reasserted itself at record levels of cases over the past week. Then he got more specific.

“To name just one example,” he said, “We must have no stigma, none, about wearing masks when we leave our homes and come near other people."

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/06/republicans-acknowledge-reality-coronavirus-masks.html

Edited July 1, 2020 by johnpetersen

[johnpetersen]

2 hours ago, Dap said:

This "lying hack" with "0 credibility" has been the Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases since 1984 (36 Years) and advisor to the previous five presidents of the U.S. and now a leading member of the Trump Administration's White House Coronavirus Task Force. And your credentials are? Or were you referring to the sitting president?

Fauci is also one of the world's leading scientists in the field of immunology.