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I’ve watched the 4 part documentary of Epstein and whilst not condoning any illegal actions, the women making claims against him are 100% dollar led. They’d attend a party at one of his mansions

Anyone seen Prince Andrew this morning?

Headlines in six months:  "Ghislaine Maxwell did not kill herself."

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2 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

I’ve asked him 3 times whether he finds it ok that an old man has paid sex with underage girls. He refuses to do so. Guess why. 

No need to guess. On one of his previous comments he reeled off a list of pornography sites where he said child pornography and other sexually deviant porn was available

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On 7/4/2020 at 2:17 PM, Logosone said:

Quite so, and I never do. Nor did Jeffrey Epstein.

 

What the "survivors" did, they did very knowingly, without being drugged and without alcohol.

 

They did it for pure hard cash.

 

They had sex with Epstein for years in some cases. Took up his offers of world wide trips, education. Then 13 years later turned around and sued Ghislaine Maxwell and receive millions.

 

Much like the accusers of Harvey Weinstein will now be in line to receive millions from the assets of the Weinstein companies.

 

The absoutely most astonishing part in the Netflix docu about Epstein was when one of his accusers goes on to claim she was raped, ran away with bloody feet and cried herself to sleep, then resurfaces a few minutes later to say they invited her on a trip to Africa and she agreed to go. And that it was the single most amazing time of her life.

 

If she was so terribly raped, why would she later agree to go on a trip to Africa with the man she claimed raped her?

 

It doesn't matter. They were underage kids. By law, Epstein had no right to make them those offers. The law understands that kids have to be protected from themselves.

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22 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

That's not correct, at least as far as everything I've read about the plea deal goes. Both charges Epstein plead guilty to (procuring and soliciting) related to the same individual, named at the time in legal documents as Jane Doe, and identified as a 14 year-old girl. As far as I'm aware, the soliciting charge means he encouraged or induced her to commit sexual acts with him.

 

This is as reported by the Miami Herald, NY Times, Canadian site Global News and others:

 

You said that Epstein was "guilty" of charges of "having sex" with a minor. That's not correct, because the charges of soliciting and procuring are not charges of actually "having sex" and only one related to a minor. 

 

Epstein pled guilty of soliciting a prostitute and of procuring for prostitution a girl under 18. He was not found guilty of any charge of having sex with minor.

 

Obviously he did do that, the evidence is clearly overwhelming. 

 

Just looking at the actual record he was not convicted of that and did not plead guilty to that.

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14 hours ago, johnpetersen said:

It doesn't matter. They were underage kids. By law, Epstein had no right to make them those offers. The law understands that kids have to be protected from themselves.

Actually not all of Epstein's female sex partners were underage kids. 

 

Many were well over 20. Sarah Ransome for example was 22 when she was introduced to Epstein.

 

Maria Farmer was 26.

 

At the court hearing that was arranged for the victims 23 women attended and five said they were teenagers when they first met Epstein. So five out of 23.

 

"At least five women told the court they were teenagers at the time of their assaults, the youngest 14 years old."

 

https://time.com/5662688/jeffrey-epstein-accusers-court/

 

Many of the teenagers admitted that they procured between 60 to 70 girls for Epstein, including Courtney Wild. She said:

 

" by the time she was 16, she had brought Epstein more than 70 girls, “all ages 14, 15, 16 … people going from eighth grade to ninth grade,” who she recruited at school parties."

 

https://www.thecut.com/2019/07/how-many-jeffrey-epstein-victims-are-there.html

 

Virginia Giuffre Roberts says the same. Haley Robson says the same. Almost every girl listed says the same, that each brought many friends to Epstein.

 

So if as you say "The law understands that kids have to be protected from themselves" it would appear that the law does not understand that kids have to protected from each other.

 

What Epstein did would have been impossible if those girls had not persuaded 60, 70 other girls, each, to come to Epstein. Knowing full well they would be sexually assaulted. And they did so not under any duress but purely for monetary gain.

 

And yet Ghislaine Maxwell will be the only one convicted of procuring girls for Epstein, when almost all the girls themselves are on record of having admitted they procured girls for Epstein.

 

If Ghislaine Maxwell is sent down then Virginia Roberts Giuffre, Courtney Wild, Haley Robson and all the others that  admitted they procured 70 or so girls for Epstein, and not under duress but simply for monetary gain, should also be sent down.

 

Of course Epstein had no right to make those offers. But Giuffre, Wild, Robson et al, to make money themselves, had the right to offer their friends to make money knowing very well those girls would be sexually assaulted?

 

So they can exert sufficient control to procure girls for Epstein but a 17 year old is a 'kid' and thus doesn't know what she's doing when she procures friends for a man who sexually assaulted her? I would put it to you that this "kid" knew exactly what she was doing, not just that, she connivingly and for monetary gain participated in the criminal enterprise to the extent of bringing 70 kids to Epstein. And netting herself 14000 USD in the process.

 

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16 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Actually not all of Epstein's female sex partners were underage kids. 

 

Many were well over 20. Sarah Ransome for example was 22 when she was introduced to Epstein.

 

Maria Farmer was 26.

 

At the court hearing that was arranged for the victims 23 women attended and five said they were teenagers when they first met Epstein. So five out of 23.

 

"At least five women told the court they were teenagers at the time of their assaults, the youngest 14 years old."

 

https://time.com/5662688/jeffrey-epstein-accusers-court/

 

Many of the teenagers admitted that they procured between 60 to 70 girls for Epstein, including Courtney Wild. She said:

 

" by the time she was 16, she had brought Epstein more than 70 girls, “all ages 14, 15, 16 … people going from eighth grade to ninth grade,” who she recruited at school parties."

 

https://www.thecut.com/2019/07/how-many-jeffrey-epstein-victims-are-there.html

 

Virginia Giuffre Roberts says the same. Haley Robson says the same. Almost every girl listed says the same, that each brought many friends to Epstein.

 

So if as you say "The law understands that kids have to be protected from themselves" it would appear that the law does not understand that kids have to protected from each other.

 

What Epstein did would have been impossible if those girls had not persuaded 60, 70 other girls, each, to come to Epstein. Knowing full well they would be sexually assaulted. And they did so not under any duress but purely for monetary gain.

 

And yet Ghislaine Maxwell will be the only one convicted of procuring girls for Epstein, when almost all the girls themselves are on record of having admitted they procured girls for Epstein.

 

If Ghislaine Maxwell is sent down then Virginia Roberts Giuffre, Courtney Wild, Haley Robson and all the others that  admitted they procured 70 or so girls for Epstein, and not under duress but simply for monetary gain, should also be sent down.

 

Of course Epstein had no right to make those offers. But Giuffre, Wild, Robson et al, to make money themselves, had the right to offer their friends to make money knowing very well those girls would be sexually assaulted?

 

So they can exert sufficient control to procure girls for Epstein but a 17 year old is a 'kid' and thus doesn't know what she's doing when she procures friends for a man who sexually assaulted her? I would put it to you that this "kid" knew exactly what she was doing, not just that, she connivingly and for monetary gain participated in the criminal enterprise to the extent of bringing 70 kids to Epstein. And netting herself 14000 USD in the process.

 

Your reasoning astounds me.

 

The kids would not be procuring anyone if they were not asked to do it.

 

I dont care if everyone of them were prostitutes or murderers or anything. They are not to blame. 

 

So enough with the victim blaming.

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1 hour ago, Sujo said:

Your reasoning astounds me.

 

The kids would not be procuring anyone if they were not asked to do it.

 

I dont care if everyone of them were prostitutes or murderers or anything. They are not to blame. 

 

So enough with the victim blaming.

Your reasoning astounds me.

 

How are they not to blame, if they brought 70 girls to be sexually assaulted by Epstein?

 

Yes of course they were asked by Epstein, so if you were asked to kill your neighbour that's okay because someone else asked you? What kind of reasoning is this? 

 

These girls are not to blame for bringing 70 girls to be sexually assaulted by Epstein? But Ghislaine Maxwell is?

 

These girls, taken as a whole, brought far more girls to Epstein than Ghislaine Maxwell ever did.

 

They are very much to blame. Without them the whole enterprise would not have been possible.

 

The law actually provides for "victim blaming", things like contributory negligence show that just because you were a victim, in law that does not mean you're absolved of all responsibility.

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1 minute ago, Logosone said:

Your reasoning astounds me.

 

How are they not to blame, if they brought 70 girls to be sexually assaulted by Epstein?

 

Yes of course they were asked by Epstein, so if you were asked to kill your neighbour that's okay because someone else asked you? What kind of reasoning is this? 

 

These girls are not to blame for bringing 70 girls to be sexually assaulted by Epstein? But Ghislaine Maxwell is?

 

These girls, taken as a whole, brought far more girls to Epstein than Ghislaine Maxwell ever did.

 

They are very much to blame. Without them the whole enterprise would not have been possible.

I'll bet they were paid to bring them as well.

 

Pimpin aint easy !!

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5 minutes ago, Don Mega said:

I'll bet they were paid to bring them as well.

 

Pimpin aint easy !!

They were, Epstein paid about 200 or 300 dollars for each girl that another girl persuaded to go to him.

 

That is of course why these girls went to such extraordinary lengths to persuade other girls to see Epstein. They were paid each time. They knew exactly what they were doing. There was no threat to their safety whatsoever. It was purely about monetary gain.

 

Courtney Wild brought 70 girls to Epstein, a good 14000 or 21000 USD, depending what was paid.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Sujo said:

Your reasoning astounds me.

The kids would not be procuring anyone if they were not asked to do it.

I dont care if everyone of them were prostitutes or murderers or anything. They are not to blame. 

So enough with the victim blaming.

If some 17yo teenage girl lured my teenage daughter into prostitution, I'd want her killed, not rewarded.

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19 minutes ago, Logosone said:

They were, Epstein paid about 200 or 300 dollars for each girl that another girl persuaded to go to him.

 

That is of course why these girls went to such extraordinary lengths to persuade other girls to see Epstein. They were paid each time. They knew exactly what they were doing. There was no threat to their safety whatsoever. It was purely about monetary gain.

 

Courtney Wild brought 70 girls to Epstein, a good 14000 or 21000 USD, depending what was paid.

 

 

Hopefully they too see a jail cell under the Pandering laws.

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27 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Your reasoning astounds me.

 

How are they not to blame, if they brought 70 girls to be sexually assaulted by Epstein?

 

Yes of course they were asked by Epstein, so if you were asked to kill your neighbour that's okay because someone else asked you? What kind of reasoning is this? 

 

These girls are not to blame for bringing 70 girls to be sexually assaulted by Epstein? But Ghislaine Maxwell is?

 

These girls, taken as a whole, brought far more girls to Epstein than Ghislaine Maxwell ever did.

 

They are very much to blame. Without them the whole enterprise would not have been possible.

 

The law actually provides for "victim blaming", things like contributory negligence show that just because you were a victim, in law that does not mean you're absolved of all responsibility.

I will type this slowly.

 

any girls not of age are not to blame. The person telling them to do it are to blame. without epstein and maxwell they would have nowhere to bring them.

 

For contributory negligence the girls have to be charged then assert the negligence to maxwell. The girls have not been charged so there is no contributory negligence to assert for blame.

 

Now as for victim blaming. It is repulsive to blame any underage girl for these offences when they did so at the instruction of the adult. Which is why they are not charged.

 

There are only 2 people to blame, so far, and one is dead.

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