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7 minutes ago, candide said:

Made by a GOP prosecutor,  in a GOP State under a GOP President. The guy was more recently chosen by Trump as Labor Secretary before he had to resign.

Again, the plea agreement that was made was ruled to be in contravention of US law.

 

“As a legal matter, the non-prosecution agreement entered into by the U.S. Attorney’s Office in the Southern District of Florida does not bind other U.S. Attorneys in other districts. They are free, if they conclude it is appropriate to do so, to bring criminal actions against Mr. Epstein and his co-conspirators,’’ said lawyer David Boies, representing two of Epstein’s victims who claim they were trafficked by Epstein in New York and other areas of the country.

 

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article226577419.html

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I’ve watched the 4 part documentary of Epstein and whilst not condoning any illegal actions, the women making claims against him are 100% dollar led. They’d attend a party at one of his mansions

Anyone seen Prince Andrew this morning?

Headlines in six months:  "Ghislaine Maxwell did not kill herself."

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7 minutes ago, candide said:

From your own link:

 

“The non-prosecution agreement does not bar the United States from bringing federal criminal charges against Epstein for the offenses set forth in the non-prosecution agreement in any other district in the nation,” the office wrote.

 

Mr. Scarola said it was unlikely the victims would appeal the latest decision. He said he expected that any co-conspirators subject to prosecution would try using the non-prosecution agreement to their advantage, but that he did not think they would have success in doing so."

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/16/us/epstein-ruling-florida.html

 

This plea agreement was ruled to be in contravention of the US Crime Victims Act, it only ever applied to the state of Florida to start with, and in no way is any court outside Florida going to stop any prosecution of anyone based on that agreement.

 

Okay, so the victims, on a legal technicality, failed to get the judge to declare the agreement officially null and void, but it is null and void to all intents and purposes in that no judge in his right mind would adhere to this agreement outside Florida. There is no way it provides immunity for anyone anymore. Even in Florida prosecutors would not touch it with a barge pole now.

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14 minutes ago, Logosone said:

From your own link:

 

“The non-prosecution agreement does not bar the United States from bringing federal criminal charges against Epstein for the offenses set forth in the non-prosecution agreement in any other district in the nation,” the office wrote.

 

Mr. Scarola said it was unlikely the victims would appeal the latest decision. He said he expected that any co-conspirators subject to prosecution would try using the non-prosecution agreement to their advantage, but that he did not think they would have success in doing so."

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/16/us/epstein-ruling-florida.html

 

This plea agreement was ruled to be in contravention of the US Crime Victims Act, it only ever applied to the state of Florida to start with, and in no way is any court outside Florida going to stop any prosecution of anyone based on that agreement.

 

Okay, so the victims, on a legal technicality, failed to get the judge to declare the agreement officially null and void, but it is null and void to all intents and purposes in that no judge in his right mind would adhere to this agreement outside Florida. There is no way it provides immunity for anyone anymore. Even in Florida prosecutors would not touch it with a barge pole now.

Ok, I get it. Thanks!

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1 hour ago, candide said:

Anyway the point that was made was not whether it has been nullified or not. The point was: how is it possible that such a lenient deal was made? What were the reasons for that? Was there any external influence? Etc....

There were several reasons I think.

 

Firstly the prosecutors at that time genuinely felt the girls Epstein had sex with were prostitutes because they accepted money for sex and it would be hard to convict Epstein. So they felt him admitting to procuring and soliciting would get him into jail at least, in fact would guarantee that.

 

In fact many of the girls did not want to testify.

 

Secondly Alexander Acosta had claimed that he was told Epstein was a person of interest to the US government. The reason was that Epstein had agreed to assist in providing information that ensured two Bear Sterns executives were convicted.

 

That was part of the sweetheart deal Epstein got, he effectively became a government informer. He provided prosecutors with important information.

 

"There’s no direct evidence of what that information was, but records show that at around the same time, Epstein was considered to be a crucial witness during the trial of two Bear Stearns executives who faced allegations of corporate securities fraud during the 2008 financial crisis."

 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeffrey-epstein-became-a-government-informant-as-part-of-sweetheart-plea-deal

 

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1 hour ago, Logosone said:

Again, the plea agreement that was made was ruled to be in contravention of US law.

 

“As a legal matter, the non-prosecution agreement entered into by the U.S. Attorney’s Office in the Southern District of Florida does not bind other U.S. Attorneys in other districts. They are free, if they conclude it is appropriate to do so, to bring criminal actions against Mr. Epstein and his co-conspirators,’’ said lawyer David Boies, representing two of Epstein’s victims who claim they were trafficked by Epstein in New York and other areas of the country.

 

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article226577419.html

The plea agreement was ruled lawful on appeal in April this year.

When Acosta negotatiated the deal he was acting as a federal agent.

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31 minutes ago, cleopatra2 said:

The plea agreement was ruled lawful on appeal in April this year.

When Acosta negotatiated the deal he was acting as a federal agent.

Yes, I am just reading it now. It's a US Court of Appeals decision. However, I understand it's not over and 

 

"Paul Cassell, said he planned to ask the entire 11th Circuit to rehear the case."

 

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/prosecutors-did-not-break-law-in-secretly-reaching-lenient-epstein-plea-deal-appeals-court-rules/

 

It's still extremely unlikely any court in the US will humour Maxwell's defence lawyers and allow her to escape liability on the basis of that agreement.

 

It will obviously be argued that the agreement only relates to Florida, but not other states, even if the Assistant US Attorney General and the US Attorney General approved it, even if Acosta acted as federal agent.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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35 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Yes, I am just reading it now. It's a US Court of Appeals decision. However, I understand it's not over and 

 

"Paul Cassell, said he planned to ask the entire 11th Circuit to rehear the case."

 

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/prosecutors-did-not-break-law-in-secretly-reaching-lenient-epstein-plea-deal-appeals-court-rules/

 

It's still extremely unlikely any court in the US will humour Maxwell's defence lawyers and allow her to escape liability on the basis of that agreement.

 

It will obviously be argued that the agreement only relates to Florida, but not other states, even if the Assistant US Attorney General and the US Attorney General approved it, even if Acosta acted as federal agent.

 

 

 

 

 

 

The agreement was immunity for himself and 4 named others along with any potential co conspirators from federal charges.

This at present is  a legal agreement.

The only issue if the immunity applies given the fact Maxwell was not one of the 4 named.

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Okay, but what about the lies told by Virginia Roberts? She sued Alan Dershowitz and a judge struck her complaint as it was obviously unfounded and made up.

 

Dershowitz wrote a whole book documenting Virginia Roberts' lies:

 

"Her employment records, he indicates, prove that she did not meet Epstein until she was 17, giving the lie to her assertion that she had a "Sweet 16 celebration" with the sex trafficker.

 

Dershowitz cites Secret Service files to demonstrate that Giuffre made up her vivid account of a dinner with former US president Bill Clinton on Epstein's Little Saint James island.

 

He provides travel documents (and credit card receipts) that support his claim that he could not have been present on the dates Giuffre specified for their assignations."

 

https://www.bignewsnetwork.com/news/263397988/dershowitz-hits-back-at-virginia-roberts-giuffre-accusations

 

Virginia Roberts basically claimed she had sex with Alan Dershowitz when she never ever met Dershowitz. Her complaint was impossible.

 

What about the lies told by Sarah Ransome?

 

"Dershowitz reveals she told a reporter for the New York Post that she possessed "sex tapes" of Hillary and Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, and Richard Branson, had been targeted for assassination by the CIA, and had worked for the KGB. Ransome subsequently admitted she had "invented" the story to exact revenge on Epstein."

 

https://www.bignewsnetwork.com/news/263397988/dershowitz-hits-back-at-virginia-roberts-giuffre-accusations

 

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, 4reaL said:

Maybe spend less time on ThaiVisa and learn how to be a parent.

 

#facts

... and being a good parent starts from day 1.  It's conditioning with love and support.  

 

If a prospective parent can't fulfil then don't bother.  

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And once again the evil MSM tries to pull a cover-up:

 

Fox News says it 'mistakenly' cropped Trump out of photo featuring Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell

 

"Fox News said on Monday that it "mistakenly" cropped President Trump out of a photograph that featured the accused sex-trafficker Jeffrey Epstein and his alleged accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell.

"On Sunday, July 5, a report on Ghislaine Maxwell during Fox News Channel's 'America's News HQ' mistakenly eliminated President Donald Trump from a photo alongside then Melania Knauss, Jeffrey Epstein and Maxwell," a spokesperson for the network said. 
The Fox News spokesperson added, "We regret the error."
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3 hours ago, johnpetersen said:

And once again the evil MSM tries to pull a cover-up:

 

Fox News says it 'mistakenly' cropped Trump out of photo featuring Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell

 

"Fox News said on Monday that it "mistakenly" cropped President Trump out of a photograph that featured the accused sex-trafficker Jeffrey Epstein and his alleged accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell.

"On Sunday, July 5, a report on Ghislaine Maxwell during Fox News Channel's 'America's News HQ' mistakenly eliminated President Donald Trump from a photo alongside then Melania Knauss, Jeffrey Epstein and Maxwell," a spokesperson for the network said. 
The Fox News spokesperson added, "We regret the error."

Yah, I think your Trump angle is not going very far, even Virginia Roberts said she never saw Trump engage with any of the girls. Same for Clinton.

 

Epstein kept all the sexual goings on hidden from his famous guests. All the supposed talk of Epstein keeping videos of famous people having sex, like Sarah Ransome claimed at one point having tapes of Al Gore, Bill Clinton and Hilary Clinton, all pure lies. Not a single video has ever surfaced. Not one.

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