Is this a sign they not gonna extend the visa amnesty ?

[timendres]

12 minutes ago, darrendsd said:

Can I ask what it has to do with you if Immigration decide to give out another free amnesty?

 

Does it affect your current visa?

Does it cost you anything?

Does it impact your life in any way?

Any reason that I may have not thought of?

 

Please share why it affects you

Immigration, like any government agency, has a budget and expenses. They need income. The longer they have no income the worse things get for everyone in that organization. Personally, I like my IO's to be in a good mood.

[from the home of CC]

6 minutes ago, darrendsd said:

Can I ask what it has to do with you if Immigration decide to give out another free amnesty?

 

Does it affect your current visa?

Does it cost you anything?

Does it impact your life in any way?

Any reason that I may have not thought of?

 

Please share why it affects you

 

 

please share why being untrustworthy, deceitful, irresponsible, idiotic and unlawful should be rewarded with a free pass to stay here while the people who play by the rules jump through tighter and tighter hoops to remain with their families. Trouble here is that many feel that its their right to do what they want when they want for that's the way they were raised, and if it's good enough for their trailer trash parents, it's good enough for them..

[Sujo]

Foreigners/expats stuck in thailand with all this uncertainty have my genuine empathy.

[darrendsd]

4 minutes ago, from the home of CC said:

 

 

please share why being untrustworthy, deceitful, irresponsible, idiotic and unlawful should be rewarded with a free pass to stay here while the people who play by the rules jump through tighter and tighter hoops to remain with their families. Trouble here is that many feel that its their right to do what they want when they want for that's the way they were raised, and if it's good enough for their trailer trash parents, it's good enough for them..

Ok so you haven't really got a reason have you?

 

 

 

5 minutes ago, from the home of CC said:

untrustworthy, deceitful, irresponsible, idiotic and unlawful

People who can't get home are all of the above? People who I know for a fact have had their flights cancelled 4 or 5 times? People who are having to sell their possessions back at home so they can get some money to survive here because they can't get home?

 

Reports of Thais feeding foreigners - reports of foreigners living in the woods etc

 

Your comments are idiotic to say the least

[Sujo]

11 minutes ago, from the home of CC said:

 

 

please share why being untrustworthy, deceitful, irresponsible, idiotic and unlawful should be rewarded with a free pass to stay here while the people who play by the rules jump through tighter and tighter hoops to remain with their families. Trouble here is that many feel that its their right to do what they want when they want for that's the way they were raised, and if it's good enough for their trailer trash parents, it's good enough for them..

I think you may just be happier to sink the boot in. Its more a case of you dont like anyone getting something you did not.

 

I dont have to worry about it as it doesnt affect me but i am more than happy for everyone to just get extension stamps for a nominal fee until this whole thing blows over.

 

It is certainly in thailands interests to have people in the country spending money while there are no tourists.

 

it just makes sense and is logical and doesnt hurt anyone.

[jackdd]

37 minutes ago, timendres said:

Immigration, like any government agency, has a budget and expenses. They need income. The longer they have no income the worse things get for everyone in that organization. Personally, I like my IO's to be in a good mood.

I hope you always leave a generous tip when you have to do anything at immigration, for these poor people at Immigration with their new BMWs. You also better not be on a one year extension and contribute a merely 1900THB a year, but use a multiple entry visa and regularly pay for extensions, multiple times per year.

 

32 minutes ago, from the home of CC said:

please share why being untrustworthy, deceitful, irresponsible, idiotic and unlawful should be rewarded with a free pass to stay here while the people who play by the rules jump through tighter and tighter hoops to remain with their families. Trouble here is that many feel that its their right to do what they want when they want for that's the way they were raised, and if it's good enough for their trailer trash parents, it's good enough for them..

Why so envious? The people who use the amnesty don't even get anything better than you, at maximum we can say they get treated the same as you. You think you are privileged and should be treated not only equal, but better than others, yes? Welcome to reality, we are just allowed to stay temporarily.

You are by the way much more irresponsible, starting a family in a country and under circumstances which allow you to stay only temporarily.

Edited July 5, 2020 by jackdd

[drbeach]

21 hours ago, jackdd said:

Yes, that's what i meant.

But the amnesty until July 31st was enacted by the Cabinet, not by immigration. An extension would also be decided by the Cabinet.

If Immigration would be sure that the Cabinet will extend it, there would be no need to open Muang Thong Thani.

Thus the opening of Muang Thong Thani shows that Immigration is at least not certain if the Cabinet will extend it.

 

It could of course also be that neither Immigration nor Cabinet planned to extend the amnesty in the old matter, but do something as simple as: People can apply for continuous 30 day extensions for 1900THB per time. This would still allow everybody to stay, they would earn more money, and it would require Muang Thong Thani to have the capacity to process all these extensions. This is of course just a guess by me.

I don't see how they're necessarily related. It's all speculation at this point.

 

As of a couple of days ago, we received news the authorities were "mulling" an extension of the amnesty. It's not a foregone conclusion it will happen, but a strong likelihood in my opinion. We'll know probably around Tuesday or Wednesday next week.

 

Although you may have a point in the second half of your reply. Perhaps that's what might happen. Similar to what Laos has been doing all along - granting 1 month extensions for a fee, until such time the borders re-open.

[drbeach]

1 hour ago, jackdd said:

If they should not extend the amnesty, my bet is on something like "unlimited 30 day extensions for 1900THB a pop until the land borders open". They like to make seemingly baseless decisions, but even they have to be smarter than putting thousands of people on overstay.

I agree; I don't see them kicking foreigners to the curb due to an event that is outside of immigration's control and is affecting the entire world. Like nearby countries, some kind of extension until such time the borders re-open is likely in the absence of an amnesty. Besides, the number of flights out remains limited; this month Phuket will join Bangkok Suvarnabhumi as only the second airport in the entire country to offer any scheduled flights out of the country and all land borders remain closed. Under these circumstances it is quite likely some kind of extension to tie us over will be offered.

[from the home of CC]

1 hour ago, darrendsd said:

Ok so you haven't really got a reason have you?

 

 

 

People who can't get home are all of the above? People who I know for a fact have had their flights cancelled 4 or 5 times? People who are having to sell their possessions back at home so they can get some money to survive here because they can't get home?

 

Reports of Thais feeding foreigners - reports of foreigners living in the woods etc

 

Your comments are idiotic to say the least

I had 6 visitors between Dec./19 - Feb./20. All had remaining time left on their holidays (between 1 to 3 months) All, after informing themselves of the situation with a tool named the internet, all decided to depart while there was flight availability. There were a few rescheduled flights at the time but for the most part if you wanted out of here you would have had to be a complete idiot not to accomplish that. IMO people that remained had fantasies about being 'trapped in paradise' and then when they figured out they would need to provide for themselves, they were shocked. In the pre internet days possibly I would have had some sympathy, but now I reserve that for children and those with Alzheimers, anyone else who can read is beyond a moron for putting themselves in their mess.    

[darrendsd]

1 hour ago, timendres said:

Immigration, like any government agency, has a budget and expenses. They need income. The longer they have no income the worse things get for everyone in that organization. Personally, I like my IO's to be in a good mood.

It costs nothing for them to let people stay here on a visa amnesty so where is their expense from that? Apart from a few meetings to decide what to do

 

No tourists are coming in for the forseeable future - when they are allowed in the vast vast majority will come in on Visa Exempts which are free and Immigration and the Government get nothing in Immigration fees  from them

 

So your point is totally flawed isn't it?

 

As for wanting YOUR I/0s to be in a good mood well that point is laughable

[DrJack54]

Just now, from the home of CC said:

I reserve that for children and those with Alzheimers, anyone else who can read is beyond a moron for putting themselves in their mess.  

There are too many of your posts in this thread to pick out the most ridiculous one. Several could qualify. 

Fact is many folk caught out with good reason.

 

[VBF]

2 hours ago, Sujo said:

Foreigners/expats stuck in thailand with all this uncertainty have my genuine empathy.

I so agree - I'm glad i'm not! You folks have my sympathy FWIW

The changes of policy here in the UK are confusing, but in Thailand, they're positively bewildering, especially as one government department frequently contradicts another!

 

And to @darrendsd : You said "...when they are allowed in the vast vast majority will come in on Visa Exempts which are free and Immigration and the Government get nothing in Immigration fees  from them" You are of course assuming that Visa Exempts will even be allowed in future.

 

I'm not sure that will be the case, certainly not for some considerable time .....then again, I'm not sure it won't be......then again, is any of us sure of anything right now? 

Sorry for putting yet another negative thought out there but IMO the possibility exists that all foreigners will require visas.

Edited July 5, 2020 by VBF

[audaciousnomad]

4 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

Irrelevant. Setv will not be issued inside Thailand. 

BTW keep in mind imm officers and often in print refer to everything as a visa. 

OK. But how then to explain the infographic that says go to Desk J for TR60 ?

[DrJack54]

7 hours ago, VBF said:

Sorry for putting yet another negative thought out there but IMO the possibility exists that all foreigners will require visas.

I don't think your being negative at all. I have been posting many times that visa exempt entry may be unavailable for a period. They may make minimum tourist visa for entry. For folk here under amnesty thinking do border bounce for 30+30 visa exempt, they need plan B

[DrJack54]

5 hours ago, audaciousnomad said:

OK. But how then to explain the infographic that says go to Desk J for TR60 ?

I have not even looked at infographic. My guess is desk to obtain 30 day extension to tourist visa. If folk did not previously obtain an extension they could PRIOR to amnesty ending. They will NOT be able to apply for a setv.

[Russell17au]

I would guess that the amnesty will remain until the land borders are open and that is not a decision that Thailand can make on its own. It involves the adjoining countries as well. There needs to be a meeting between Myanmar, Laos, Cambodia, Malaysia and Thailand to decide when each border is going to be open.

[greggraham]

3 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

I have not even looked at infographic. 

Says it all really doesn't it.

[Guderian]

The new app is simply a part of Immigration's long-term IT strategy, specifically designed to drive farangs crazy, lol.

[DrJack54]

41 minutes ago, greggraham said:

Says it all really doesn't it.

I don't need to. Tourist visas are not issued inside Thailand. You can obtain a 30 day extension to a setv and visa exempt once.

If you have not obtained an extension during current amnesty you can prior to end of amnesty (I believe amnesty will be extended)

Read post #51

 

Edited July 6, 2020 by DrJack54

[mtls2005]

10 hours ago, audaciousnomad said:

OK. But how then to explain the infographic that says go to Desk J for TR60 ?

Today, Counter J at CW is for a 30 day extension, on a Tourist Visa or a Visa Exemption. 

 

I guess it would be the same at Muang Thon Thani? (Note that they're using the same counter designations.)

 

So if you're holding a 60 day tourist visa which ran through 27 March, then maybe you can get a 30 day extension when amnesty ends?

 

 

 

 

[andux]

After going through the comments, the arguments for extending the amnesty/granting extensions vs the arguments for kicking all foreigners out on July 31 are very clear:

 

Reasons for extending the amnesty/granting extensions: Logical arguments related to the difficulties of certain people to go back to the countries where they work or live, as well as the fact that land borders are closed. Other arguments are related to the fact that the lack of tourists in Thailand is somehow compensated by the monetary contributions of the foreigners stranded in Thailand.

 

Reasons for kicking foreigners out: People who had to jump through hoops are angry and want the rest of the foreigners out.

 

We'll see what side immigration takes.

 

Edited July 6, 2020 by andux

[Benitostacos]

48 minutes ago, andux said:

After going through the comments, the arguments for extending the amnesty/granting extensions vs the arguments for kicking all foreigners out on July 31 are very clear:

 

Reasons for extending the amnesty/granting extensions: Logical arguments related to the difficulties of certain people to go back to the countries where they work or live, as well as the fact that land borders are closed. Other arguments are related to the fact that the lack of tourists in Thailand is somehow compensated by the monetary contributions of the foreigners stranded in Thailand.

 

Reasons for kicking foreigners out: People who had to jump through hoops are angry and want the rest of the foreigners out.

 

We'll see what side immigration takes.

 

Sums up everything pretty well. I really don't understand this resentment from several posters on this forum against people under the amnesty. I too am currently under the amnesty and I am grateful to the Thai government for allowing me to stay here while cases in my hometown of Los Angeles appear to be skyrocketing. Nevertheless if I have to go home, I shall....and I've already booked a flight for the end of the month. It is what it is. However, there are a lot of people under the amnesty who fall under a wide range of circumstances that are much more complicated, I see various questions and scenarios asked all the time in Facebook groups and forum sites, and I truly feel sympathy for these folks. Some of them are literally between a rock and a hard place.

[BritManToo]

Just now, Benitostacos said:

Sums up everything pretty well. I really don't understand this resentment from several posters on this forum against people under the amnesty. I too am currently under the amnesty and I am grateful to the Thai government for allowing me to stay here

I'm also under amnesty, I have a valid ME VISA until next April, but can't bounce to use it.

Edited July 6, 2020 by BritManToo

[BritManToo]

57 minutes ago, andux said:

We'll see what side immigration takes.

It's absolutely nothing to do with immigration, they have no say in this.

Why do you confuse the Thai government and MFA with immigration?

Edited July 6, 2020 by BritManToo

[JackThompson]

16 hours ago, from the home of CC said:

please share why being untrustworthy, deceitful, irresponsible, idiotic and unlawful should be rewarded with a free pass to stay here ...

We never objected to paying for legit-extensions.  The problem was getting them, to spite qualifying via de-jure and de-facto relationships, and qualifying incomes. 

 

When the borders closed, we could no longer obtain Non-O Visas to stay with our families.  Paying in-country is fine - if that option becomes available.
 

16 hours ago, from the home of CC said:

... while the people who play by the rules jump through tighter and tighter hoops to remain with their families.

Yes, the "tighter and tighter hoops" - i.e. Immigration Moving The Goalposts To Break Up Our Families and/or coerce corruption-money - while we are our family's primary means of support - are WHY we needed the Non-O Visas in the first place.  Our being forced to do that was/is evil. 

 

If they were not evil, we would be able to show up with our Thai-wife and proof of marriage (Kor Ror 2 only) , show our income (proven foreign-deposits or work-permit and domestic-deposits), and get a 1-year stamp IMMEDIATELY.  

No problem if they want to come around to check we weren't lying about living together, or jail/deport/ban those who file false-documents.

 

16 hours ago, from the home of CC said:

Trouble here is that many feel that its their right to do what they want when they want for that's the way they were raised, and if it's good enough for their trailer trash parents, it's good enough for them..

Not at all - those people cannot afford to travel here, and are busy living on welfare where it exists - not coming here, where There IS NO Welfare money to get. 

 

And again, no one said "we should have to apply for extensions."  We were denied legit-extensions.  Increasingly, more and more of us recognize that immigration is run as a racket - not as a legitimate govt service.  We are not the "trash" in this equation - corruption is "trashy." 

[NanLaew]

This thread really got the TV stress-monkeys panties in a bunch.

 

It looks like Thai Immigration in Chonburi is (finally) instigating an online appointment booking system.

 

End of.

Edited July 6, 2020 by NanLaew

[timendres]

15 hours ago, darrendsd said:

It costs nothing for them to let people stay here on a visa amnesty so where is their expense from that? Apart from a few meetings to decide what to do

 

No tourists are coming in for the forseeable future - when they are allowed in the vast vast majority will come in on Visa Exempts which are free and Immigration and the Government get nothing in Immigration fees  from them

 

So your point is totally flawed isn't it?

 

As for wanting YOUR I/0s to be in a good mood well that point is laughable

Well, since my dealings with immigration are typically enjoyable, I guess I am laughing. And suggesting that no person on amnesty would ever visit immigration again with baht in hand once amnesty is over seems flawed to me.

[Olmate]

12 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

This thread really got the TV stress-monkeys panties in a bunch.

 

It looks like Thai Immigration is (finally) instigating an online appointment booking system.

 

End of.

Crikey, I hope me agent has a booking for me!

[chilly07]

 The Chonburi app is 2yrs old and has never worked. The queq app has only 3 districts listed so doesn't work for Chonburi. However if some offices are thinking of opening additional space like Chonburi did at a local school then they might be planning for the amnesty to finish

[ndreamer]

3 hours ago, Russell17au said:

I would guess that the amnesty will remain until the land borders are open and that is not a decision that Thailand can make on its own. It involves the adjoining countries as well. There needs to be a meeting between Myanmar, Laos, Cambodia, Malaysia and Thailand to decide when each border is going to be open.

geting nervious, I haven't used my extension for my non-o but something tells me i'll be unable to coming of amnesty. Even if these borders open there will be restrictions on both sides.