Thailand is red-lighted in UK for quarantine purposes alongside Brazil, China and US, inexplicable move

[bartender100]

2 hours ago, SkyFax said:

My guess it is a matter of reciprocity: UK citizens cannot enter Thailand without a 14-day quarantine if they can enter at all.

I think you are spot on there, a week ago Thailand was on a list of green countries, we all thought wait a minute, Thailand will not let anyone in from the UK atm. Now its off the UK new list

[Buriramfelang]

1 hour ago, Trillian said:

If they had tested more, would that have changed the number of fatalities!

Probably not. if you die from the virus without having been checked then you never had the virus. Its the Thai way of statistics, like dying in hospital after a road accident, its not added to the road toll. Keeps the numbers down. 

[brommers]

Who on their right mind would want to go to the UK anyway! Dirty, miserable little place inhabited by chinless wonders and yobs. Ruled by Benny Hill and his gang of incompetent yes persons.

[The Deerhunter]

1 hour ago, Trillian said:

If they had tested more, would that have changed the number of fatalities!

Did you mean real fatalities or reported fatality's?

Because there is possibly a considerable difference between the two. Credibility of governments and Ministers of the Crown is an important consideration in many countries foreign to the Thai culture.

[OneeyedJohn]

10 minutes ago, Buriramfelang said:

Probably not. if you die from the virus without having been checked then you never had the virus

 

That is it in a nutshell, well said.

[Crash999]

59 minutes ago, sandrew33 said:

Thailand is 130th in the world for testing per million. That’s bad. 
 

In context with other low incidence countries: 

 

Australia has done 13 times more tests per capita.  NZ 10 times more. Even Malaysia is 3 times more.

 

 

 

The reason testing numbers are low is because the amount of cases is low. It doesn’t make sense to test heathy people over and over. Just because they are healthy today doesn’t make them immune. The purpose of testing is only to catch and quarantine cases in the wild. 

[bkkcanuck8]

1 hour ago, sandrew33 said:

Thailand is 130th in the world for testing per million. That’s bad. 
 

In context with other low incidence countries: 

 

Australia has done 13 times more tests per capita.  NZ 10 times more. Even Malaysia is 3 times more.

 

 

 

Australia still has community spread....  Thailand has had no reported community spread in 40 days.  Most of the reported community spread cases before that came over the Malaysian border.

 

If the hospitals were full of people (or even some hospitals) with people with mysterious respiratory illnesses I would agree with you...  but if Thailand were ignoring the problem, and it existed as community spread it would be exponential growth and very hard to hide.

[mfd101]

Yes, at this stage the Australian state of Victoria is doing a whole lot worse than Thailand ... through government incompetence (both political & bureaucratic).

[Blue Muton]

3 hours ago, SkyFax said:

My guess it is a matter of reciprocity: UK citizens cannot enter Thailand without a 14-day quarantine if they can enter at all.

There's a good reason for that, Johnson's handling of Covid 19 has been shambolic at best.

[Fairynuff]

1 hour ago, sandrew33 said:

Thailand is 130th in the world for testing per million. That’s bad. 
 

In context with other low incidence countries: 

 

Australia has done 13 times more tests per capita.  NZ 10 times more. Even Malaysia is 3 times more.

 

 

 

And the UK has lied consistently on testing, got caught doing it over and over again and then stopped releasing test data. They only talk about testing capacity, big deal, they can say have 20 million a day capacity, but if they’re only testing 50k it’s pointless 

[herfiehandbag]

1 hour ago, Matzzon said:

Ops! Grant Shapps does not seem to be a nice chap. However, I just wonder where he put his own country on his eminent list? With his way of deluded thinking it seems to me he will need to rid the country of it´s population. Good Luck Mr. Happy Shappy!

Possible of course. Personally I suspect that concluding ( from a stock photo) that the minister who heads the rather large government department, with scientists, medical advisors, statisticians and the ability to call on full briefings from the British Embassy, has taken this decision because he is not a nice chap is a somewhat unlikely explanation. Perhaps posts #12, #15 and #17 offer slightly more credible explanations.

[Fairynuff]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

The UK’s Secretary of State for Transport, Grant Shapps,

Previously sacked for promoting get rich quick schemes online using false names.

Home Secretary Priti Patel, previously sacked for holding secret meetings with a foreign government.

Gavin Williamson Education Secretary, previously sacked for leaking documents from Downing St

Boris Johnson........ too much to list here.

Why would anyone expect this mess of a government to know its **** from its elbow?

[wealthychef]

2 hours ago, Trillian said:

If they had tested more, would that have changed the number of fatalities!

 

It would have changed the number of fatalities described as "due to CoVid."  

 

[Jimbo53]

1 hour ago, sandrew33 said:

Thailand is 130th in the world for testing per million. That’s bad. 
 

In context with other low incidence countries: 

 

Australia has done 13 times more tests per capita.  NZ 10 times more. Even Malaysia is 3 times more.

 

 

 

And only certain categories from those countries are allowed into Thailand with a lot of hasslle paperwork and quarantine,so why should the UK let passengers from Thailand in without quarantine?

[blazes]

1 hour ago, Trillian said:

Once again, does doing more tests change the number of deaths!

 

One statistic that is nearer to the "truth" or the state of play is the number of deaths per 1 million of population.  I assume all these numbers come ultimately from the WHO, which, as everyone knows, is not the most reliable source, but is more or less all we have to work with.

 

The league table for deaths per 1 million of population is:

 

BELGIUM = 843

UK = 651

SPAIN = 607

ITALY = 576

SWEDEN = 537

FRANCE = 458

 

USA = 400

 

CHINA = 3  (!!!!!!)

JAPAN = 8

S. KOREA = 6

TAIWAN = 0.3

VIETNAM = 0

 

THAILAND = 0.8 (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

 

These figures are taken from:

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

 

 

 

 

[Mbaki]

1 hour ago, Wiggy said:

Could it be due to the continued extension of the State of Emergency that makes the UK wary? I mean, it’s almost like Thailand saying itself that things aren’t right. 

More like Thailand still being cautious of inbound travelers adding to new outbreaks, UK only applying a tit for tat response to them being in Thailand’s red light list.

[MadMac]

Certainly reciprocal, Thailand does not let anyone in the country except a selected few who still have to go through quarantine. Only fair to expect the same the other way around if you let people from abroad enter.

[Fairynuff]

1 minute ago, blazes said:

 

One statistic that is nearer to the "truth" or the state of play is the number of deaths per 1 million of population.  I assume all these numbers come ultimately from the WHO, which, as everyone knows, is not the most reliable source, but is more or less all we have to work with.

 

The league table for deaths per 1 million of population is:

 

BELGIUM = 843

UK = 651

SPAIN = 607

ITALY = 576

SWEDEN = 537

FRANCE = 458

 

USA = 400

 

CHINA = 3  (!!!!!!)

JAPAN = 8

S. KOREA = 6

TAIWAN = 0.3

VIETNAM = 0

 

THAILAND = 0.8 (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

 

These figures are taken from:

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

 

 

 

 

Belgium includes in its counting SUSPECTED deaths for some strange reason which is why it’s #1

[miamiman123]

Prayut had done a good job w this CV so far

[TKDfella]

When it suits them the Thai Government backs up with 'forefingers don't understand the Thai way.' It never enters their mind that the reverse might be true. For example, the UK is, or will be, separate from the EU and therefore the UK does not have to follow the EU.

[Kiwiken]

Thailand has opened up to some countries who still have Community spread. This is to boost Tourism. Great get the money in. Makes it easier to find to bury Your Own population.

[kingdong]

2 hours ago, Trillian said:

If they had tested more, would that have changed the number of fatalities!

yes

[blazes]

My wife's father (in Korat) was, in early April, taken to hospital with very difficult breathing problems. He was diagnosed as having pneumonia, but was put on a ventilator for ten days.  Eventually he was shipped home and left to the nursing capabilities of his wife and four daughters.

He now seems to be recovered.

The hospital were at pains to declare that it was NOT covid-19.  Who are we to argue with the men and women in white lab coats?

[GaryAdriaenssens]

HOW DARE THEY!!?? Must be really a shock to the self-inclined bureaucrats and dictators of this Kingdom... Good lesson you give them, Brits.????????

[Kerryd]

If there was a covid crisis in Thailand we'd know about it. Period.

Why ? Look at all the "progessive Western" countries where the virus is rampaging. Look at how their rates of infections and deaths continue to climb.

Now think - do you actually believe that if "backwards, 3rd world Thailand" had a virus crisis that it wouldn't make the news ? Bull****.

If there were a crisis here it would probably be spreading even faster than in those "progressive 1st World" countries and it would be front page headline news because there is NO way the gov't would be able to keep it a secret.

Holely **** - some of you people have NO idea how things actually work. You ASSUME that the evil dictatorship can absolutely control every aspect of the media because you want to believe the worst about them, without any proof of course. Can't have something like proof get in the way of a lame conspiracy theory.

If there was a covid crisis here right now, the opposition parties and independent press would be blaring the news about it 24/7. Hospitals would be screaming about being flooded with patients. Morgues and temples would be crying about being unable to cope with the backlog of bodies. People would be screaming at the gov't, demanding they do something about the crisis.
Every person in the country, everywhere would be wearing masks and scared to set foot outside their homes.

Yet none of that is happening. Why ? Because there is no "hidden covid crisis". Guaranteed if there was one, hidden or not, the bars would not be reopening and alcohol sales would be (still) banned as well.

The government can NOT control all the media. They couldn't do it when the military was in charge after the last coup ! Yet someone, some people seem to think that now they can just snap their fingers and throw a blanket over the media and nothing gets out.

If anything, the UK's decision probably has far more to do with China than anything else. Not to "punish" China (directly) but over the fear that Thailand's "coziness" with the Chinese would see them allowing thousands of them into the country, perhaps with little or no screening/quarantines and then those Chinese could then travel to other countries that may be restricting flights from China itself.
(Yes, read the news. Thailand is allowing many "short term" visitors to arrive without having to go into a 2 week quarantine.)

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1169525-seven-groups-of-foreigners-expected-to-be-allowed-entry/
"The other group comprises travellers who won’t need to go into quarantine on entry:

1. Businessman on short-duration stays, including those coming into the country for business discussions. 

2. Government guests who are invited for ceremonies or specific seminars.

3. Tourists under the travel bubble. Dr Taweesin said that the target countries are China, Japan and South Korea, which are presently trying to contain the virus."

Couple that with the possibility that it's possible many of the Chinese that might enter Thailand (and not be quarantined) could be infected and spread it to others who might then travel to the UK.

Not possible you say ? Again, think about it.
Look at the recent arrivals to Thailand. 5 (or more) Thais have tested positive while in quarantine since they started letting people back into the country 6 days ago. They didn't get the virus after arriving in Thailand, they had it before they got on the plane to fly here.

There is NO reason why the same thing can't happen with "short term" visitors. Say like some from China for example. They (health authorities around the world) that a lot of people can be infected, show no symptoms and still be able to infect others.

Add to that the recent issues a lot of countries are having with China, be it in the Himalayas with India, South China Seas (with half a dozen different nations), Hong Kong, Taiwan, the B.S. regarding the WHO, dispute with Australia because Australia had the balls to suggest there should be an investigation into the Covid-19 virus.

As others have noted as well, many countries have "reciprocal" agreements. You quarantine our citizens, we quarantine yours. Tit for Tat. (Not "TiT for TAT".)

 

[hotandsticky]

3 hours ago, SkyFax said:

My guess it is a matter of reciprocity: UK citizens cannot enter Thailand without a 14-day quarantine if they can enter at all.

 

 

Tit for TAT.

 

 

T. A. T. will not be happy.

[notmyself]

3 hours ago, SkyFax said:

My guess it is a matter of reciprocity: UK citizens cannot enter Thailand without a 14-day quarantine if they can enter at all.

 

Highly likely. Quite sad really.

[robblok]

3 hours ago, SkyFax said:

My guess it is a matter of reciprocity: UK citizens cannot enter Thailand without a 14-day quarantine if they can enter at all.

Probably.. but what country that has low cases would be so stupid to let the UK go in without quarantine. I mean the place is virus riddled the breeding ground of the EU and now if you look at last weekend after they relaxed the rules its waiting for a second wave. Would just be extremely stupid to let anyone from the UK in without quarantine. 

[5633572526]

2 hours ago, Trillian said:

If they had tested more, would that have changed the number of fatalities!

Actually a friend of mine who works at a bkk hospital told me initially they were told to use pneumonia as a cause of death prior to martial law being imposed. Perhaps that is still the case in some hospitals.

[Bender Rodriguez]

how many chinese first went to thailand, then rest of world and spread the fake PLANDEMIC to the rest of the world ?

 

we are still below normal season FLU DEATHS (+- 650.000 per year)

 

maybe our home countries should grow a pair and impose everything on THAILAND what thailand imposes on citizen of our home countries

Edited July 6, 2020 by Bender Rodriguez