keith101 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 4 hours ago, webfact said: There has been a certain amount of confusion and consternation in Bangkok when it became clear late on Friday night that the United Kingdom had failed to give the green light to Thai travellers visiting Britain as part of the UK government’s new approach to health controls in respect of the Covid 19 virus as that country throws open its borders to trade and travel. Might have something to do with the lack of testing done here in Thailand and this should also be a red-light on the UK coming into Thailand . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldgit Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 3 hours ago, SkyFax said: My guess it is a matter of reciprocity: UK citizens cannot enter Thailand without a 14-day quarantine if they can enter at all. Vietnam is on the list and has similar restrictions for foreigners. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyf Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 58 minutes ago, Buriramfelang said: Probably not. if you die from the virus without having been checked then you never had the virus. Its the Thai way of statistics, like dying in hospital after a road accident, its not added to the road toll. Keeps the numbers down. There is some validity to your point but a far cry from reality. The UK has a similar population size to Thailand and the address the figures from different angles. The reported deaths from covid are in the order of 44K but the excess deaths over and above the normal average for the period of the crisis is in the order of 65K. Thailand have reported 56 deaths due to covid but of course you are perfectly free to believe that excess deaths in Thailand over and above the normal average is a similar figure to the UK. It may come as a surprise to you but what is on the death certificate does not keep the numbers down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 5633572526 Posted July 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 6, 2020 Maybe it’s just a bit suspicious that a country that claims 0 domestic covid cases keeps itself under martial law using covid as an excuse. 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post welovesundaysatspace Posted July 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 6, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Trillian said: If they had tested more, would that have changed the number of fatalities! 1 hour ago, Buriramfelang said: Probably not. if you die from the virus without having been checked then you never had the virus. Its the Thai way of statistics, like dying in hospital after a road accident, its not added to the road toll. Keeps the numbers down. 1 hour ago, The Deerhunter said: Did you mean real fatalities or reported fatality's? Because there is possibly a considerable difference between the two. Credibility of governments and Ministers of the Crown is an important consideration in many countries foreign to the Thai culture. That’s why excess deaths is such a great statistic because it completely ignores whatever cause of death was recorded. It just looks at the number of deaths exceeding the historical average. Thailand has excess deaths of just 2% for period 1 Mar - 31 May. Compare that to Covid Hotspots such as U.K. (43%), Brazil (38%), Italy (40%), Peru (87%), Spain (50%). The US with 16% ranks somewhere in the middle with 16% but those numbers include 16 Feb - 2 May only. It’s also interesting to see that there are countries which seem to be (accidentally or on purpose) underreporting Covid-19 deaths as their excess deaths are high while their Covid-19 reported deaths are not as high. Edited July 6, 2020 by welovesundaysatspace 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kingdong Posted July 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, 5633572526 said: Actually a friend of mine who works at a bkk hospital told me initially they were told to use pneumonia as a cause of death prior to martial law being imposed. Perhaps that is still the case in some hospitals. bit of a change from uk where anyone who dies is tested and if they,ve gor corona that is put down as the cause of death,even if the departed had cancer,heart disease etc etc. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post robblok Posted July 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 6, 2020 1 minute ago, welovesundaysatspace said: That’s why excess deaths is such a great statistic because it completely ignores whatever cause of death was recorded. It just looks at the number of deaths exceeding the historical average. Thailand has excess deaths of just 2% for period 1 Mar - 31 May. Compare that to Covid Hotspots such as U.K. (43%), Brazil (38%), Italy (40%), Peru (87%), Spain (50%). The US with 16% ranks somewhere in the middle with 16% but those numbers include 16 Feb - 2 May only. It’s also interesting to see that there seem to be countries which are (accidentally or on purpose) underreporting Covid-19 deaths as their excess deaths are high while their Covid-19 reported deaths are not as high. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-53073046 for anyone really interested and not interested in Thaibashing. Thailand reported around 2400 deatsh more then normal. That is on top of the 56 deaths so if we all attribute those to covid then still they did it many times better then sickly UK. In the UK 64500 people died more then normal. See the difference. I doubt the proud Thai bashing people from the UK will ever acknowledge that their country royally screwed up and the harsh measures Thailand imposed worked. So why import cases from a known virus hotspot. UK is just being childish by not putting Thailand on the risk as its a low risk country. But then again what do you expect from a country run by their current PM. 1 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougiemac52 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 4 hours ago, scubascuba3 said: They obviously don't trust the Thai government figures provided, test numbers were very low and shady It will be a tit for that move. You let ours in, we'll let yours in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Trillian Posted July 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 6, 2020 1 hour ago, The Deerhunter said: Did you mean real fatalities or reported fatality's? Because there is possibly a considerable difference between the two. Credibility of governments and Ministers of the Crown is an important consideration in many countries foreign to the Thai culture. Probably like you I live not far from a couple of crematoria, I pass them at least twice each day, every day. I very rarely ever see them in use, I also don't know of anyone who has died period, nor does my family or friends or anyone I know. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post warcy Posted July 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 6, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, scubascuba3 said: They obviously don't trust the Thai government figures provided, test numbers were very low and shady All these are political rather than any logical moves. Thailand is a political ally of China. Thailand and China control of the virus is definitely much better than the UK and its allies. It's a disgrace that UK would stoop to so low. I trust Thailand figures much more than UK and US figures. Edited July 6, 2020 by warcy 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moe666 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Who cares what the bunch on Downing street come up with, they have done such a botched job of controlling the virus who wants to go there. Thailand keep doing what you have done because it has worked unlike my own country and many other countries who chose to avoid the fact the virus was in their countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warcy Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, dougiemac52 said: It will be a tit for that move. You let ours in, we'll let yours in British want to enter Thailand much more than Thais want to enter UK. This is a political move by the UK and its allies against China and its allies. Anyway, who wants to go to UK with the virus raging there? Edited July 6, 2020 by warcy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trillian Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 17 minutes ago, 5633572526 said: Actually a friend of mine who works at a bkk hospital told me initially they were told to use pneumonia as a cause of death prior to martial law being imposed. Perhaps that is still the case in some hospitals. Actually marshall law was not imposed. Although I do have a friend who knew somebody that was related to another person who in turn had heard of somebody who thought they knew someone who had died because a clap of thunder caused his brain to explode....really! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parker2100 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Reciprocal negotiations regarding inclusion in "Travel Bubbles" sound like they are not going well. Thailand wants to exclude "Dirty Farang" countries but they want easy access into those countries. It hurts more than just Thais, but so do Tarrifs, which also seem popular these days. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Fairynuff said: And the UK has lied consistently on testing, got caught doing it over and over again and then stopped releasing test data. They only talk about testing capacity, big deal, they can say have 20 million a day capacity, but if they’re only testing 50k it’s pointless Nonsense on every point you made, completely untrue why do you lie like that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Moo 2 Posted July 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 6, 2020 Don't be surprised and stop crying Thailand, look at the time is taking you to repatriate the expats living in Thailand and it's still not settled yet! That's Life! 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moe666 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 19 minutes ago, 5633572526 said: Maybe it’s just a bit suspicious that a country that claims 0 domestic covid cases keeps itself under martial law using covid as an excuse. Thailand is no longer under a state of martial law they are under an emergency order not as strigent as martial law. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyf Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 12 minutes ago, robblok said: But then again what do you expect from a country run by their current PM. I think a correction would be in order, should have read "run by their current marionettist." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairynuff Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Nonsense on every point you made, completely untrue why do you lie like that? Because you deny the facts doesn’t make them lies. Do your research before you call people liars 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Guderian Posted July 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 6, 2020 3 hours ago, Somtamnication said: They obviously know more than little people like us. When they've made such a pig's ear of handling the coronavirus themselves, come off it! This is the most incompetent British government since the 1970's, the idiot Schapps and his advisors probably couldn't even find Thailand on a map. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post madmitch Posted July 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 6, 2020 I still intend to visit the UK for a couple of months later in the year (it was supposed to be this month). If Thailand remains on the list in a month or so, I will book a flight to an EU country, where Thailand is green-lighted, and have two weeks holiday rather than self-isolate in the UK for two weeks. I already had return flights to Germany from the UK which I booked last year. Lufthansa will change the date free of charge. Sound like a plan! 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sandyf Posted July 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 6, 2020 12 minutes ago, Trillian said: Probably like you I live not far from a couple of crematoria, I pass them at least twice each day, every day. I very rarely ever see them in use, I also don't know of anyone who has died period, nor does my family or friends or anyone I know. Quite. A few temples around here and things have not been much different. My wife has been to 2 funerals in the last few weeks(old age) and both have been the normal 7 days. Just a couple of weeks back they were still queuing in Wuhan to collect the urns. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 8 minutes ago, Fairynuff said: Because you deny the facts doesn’t make them lies. Do your research before you call people liars Here's your claim: "And the UK has lied consistently on testing, got caught doing it over and over again and then stopped releasing test data. They only talk about testing capacity, big deal, they can say have 20 million a day capacity, but if they’re only testing 50k it’s pointless" With no facts to back it up, as I said nonsense on all points and complete lies: Here's the real facts: https://coronavirus-staging.data.gov.uk/testing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieinThaiJim Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 It’s far more likely Thailand will put UK on the Red list! A little tit for tat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCP108 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Maybe the UK policy makers looked at the Thailand DOPH data that was used to write this article? https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronavirus-missing-deaths.html 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Boedog Posted July 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 6, 2020 Thailand is delusional if they think people are going to come for a holiday and have to quarantine for 14 days in hotels stipulated by the Thai Government so they can get there envelopes, pay for testing, have medical insurance with $100,000 US dollars cover, stupid stupid Government, it has been more good luck than good management with Covid in Thailand, now they want to let the Chinese, Japanese, Koreans back in but yet they won't have to quarantine go figure 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadilo Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 4 hours ago, SkyFax said: My guess it is a matter of reciprocity: UK citizens cannot enter Thailand without a 14-day quarantine if they can enter at all. If that’s the case how come Greeks can enter U.K. but not vice versa. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matzzon Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 1 hour ago, herfiehandbag said: Possible of course. Personally I suspect that concluding ( from a stock photo) that the minister who heads the rather large government department, with scientists, medical advisors, statisticians and the ability to call on full briefings from the British Embassy, has taken this decision because he is not a nice chap is a somewhat unlikely explanation. Perhaps posts #12, #15 and #17 offer slightly more credible explanations. And perhaps the rest of the world sees Thailand as a country with one of the best results. The problem seems to be that UK don´t get that. Of course, there is another explanation. That is that the rest of the world like EU and other organisations like UN and WHO have been totally blinded and fooled by the Thai figures. Now it´s up to the UK that understands everything and sees with clear eyes to take a stand. What do you think seems most credible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelepulse Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Thailand shouldn't feel special. I was just watching a video about Spain tourism and they were talking about how Portugal also made the red light list and Portugal isn't very happy about is as 2 million visitors come from the UK. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow Leopard Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 I just laugh at the sanctamonious idiots running the UK. They made a complete mess of their own lockdown and now think that they actually have it under control. What a load of nonsense. So i can visit the UK if i am from Oz or NZ. Last time i looked i didnt see that there was a direct flight from either country to the UK. So at some point the plane must land in the likes of Singapore, LA, Dubai or Doha. What then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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