Thailand says monkey labour 'almost non-existent' after UK shop ban

[bluesofa]

14 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

 climbing gear

Are Edmund Hilary and Sherpa Tensing available?

Don't forget the oxygen cylinders.

[GaryAdriaenssens]

First that quarantine affair from the weekend and now this. Seems the love affair between the two countries is declining rapidly. What poor monkeys and a vicious virus can do to relations.... What's next? ????

[lks7689]

1 hour ago, Nip said:

Whatever about the monkeys how about human rights. Lots of humans end up in chains too. And many of them die in Thailand and nothing is done by the UK government. 

In both cases perpetrators are mankind. The difference is an animal got no recourse whatsoever. 

[Mr Meeseeks]

37 minutes ago, Yinn said:

Ok Mr Superiority.

 

How you get the coconut from the tall old tree? 

 

Burmese kids?

Use a ladder or a personnel height access device like a MEWP (elevated work platform).

 

It's called industrialisation.

 

 

[Cake Monster]

1 hour ago, Yinn said:

Is Carrie a vegan? 

 

Safer for monkeys do it than human. Burmese people will die now. Sure. Carrie should think. 

I think she low knowledge. The old tree is to high for the stick.

 

And

“On 4 April 2020, Symonds announced on Twitter that she was in recovery after experiencing symptoms of coronavirus and spending a week in bed. She was not tested for the disease.” 

Boris positive, why not test Carrie? Carrie spread coronavirus?

 

 

Safer for Monkeys to do it, Burmese people will die now.

This really sums up Thailand and the attitude of many people, and why Farangs do not understand.

[Mr Meeseeks]

2 minutes ago, Cake Monster said:

Safer for Monkeys to do it, Burmese people will die now.

This really sums up Thailand and the attitude of many people, and why Farangs do not understand.

Yep, sometimes you just have to shake your head mate. 

Edited July 7, 2020 by Mr Meeseeks

[hotchilli]

4 hours ago, Damrongsak said:

I'd like to hear what the monkeys have to say about it.

 

[Griff4114]

[VocalNeal]

44 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Monkeys are WILD animals, and not pets . Some that are abandoned from a mother's death are raised as pets, and nothing wrong with that if they are treated well. Chaining a wild animal up and forcing them to work for you is abuse. Same thing for keeping wild birds in cages.

Yes but you nor anyone else has proven a link to mistreating pet monkeys and agriculture. As I said one can find pet monkeys chained to a post in Asia without a coconut in sight. 

 

Mostly this is all touchy , feely, guilt ridden western stuff.

[hotchilli]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

Somdet went on to say that this is not the first time that this issue has come up, adding that he had provided explanations last year as well. He said that Thailand has strictly enforced laws related to the prevention of cruelty on animals and animal welfare.

 

5 hours ago, webfact said:

Niran Wongvanit, a trainer at the Klong Noi Monkey Training Centre in Muang district, Surat Thani, insists there is no cruelty involved in training the animals to pick coconuts. He said the trainers treat the monkeys like their own kids

 

5 hours ago, webfact said:

The venue has trained monkeys for agricultural purposes for over 100 years. It is also an agri-tourism venue.

Yet Thailand is trying to deny the report saying monkeys are not being used on a commercial basis.

[fxe1200]

1 hour ago, Yinn said:

Ok Mr Superiority.

 

How you get the coconut from the tall old tree? 

 

Burmese kids?

You attach a sharp sickle to a long bamboo pole, extend this with another one, lift up the sickle up into the tree, behind one ore more coconuts, cut the stem with a short downward movement, and take a step back, when the coconut comes down.  I have done this on a coconut plantation on Koh Ngai, and there are no monkeys. With a little practice one can be very productive.

Edited July 7, 2020 by fxe1200

[VocalNeal]

43 minutes ago, SoilSpoil said:

I see a lot of trucks with monkeys every day. The trucks doing wellover the speed limit and the animals clinging on to it. Pure animal cruelty. The man is clearly llying.

...and we see dogs with there heads out of car windows at speed. 

 

Do you have a picture of your said animal cruelty linking it with agriculture?

[herwin1234]

i'd rather be a coconut picking monkey in Thailand than be a pet dog in a western country locked up in a home all day and only outside on a leash.

 

Peta lashing out at coconut picking monkeys is based on rascism against Asian ppl (the myth of the Cruel Asian.) Its also smart because its a fast declining practice anyway. Next year Peta can claim a "victory" for the monkeys and the cashflow from peta donors starts to flow.

 

As a vegan myself, i deeply detest Peta. I know and understand their tactics and campaigns, and these are mainly designed to satisfy their supporters (and not to educate the public) and make sure tye donations keep flowing.

 

Peta, once a great organ9sation, turned into a bunch of clowns. sad.

[Mr Meeseeks]

9 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

 

 

Yet Thailand is trying to deny the report saying monkeys are not being used on a commercial basis.

The first rule of Thailand is you do not talk about Thailand.

 

The second rule of Thailand is...

[Bundooman]

2 hours ago, GAZZPA said:

what are the true facts that the UK is not understanding?

"Thailand last year exported coconut milk worth 12.3 billion baht ($396 million), about 8% of it to Britain".

That's not including internal consumption/sales here in Thailand.

 

How many monkeys do you think it would take to collect enough coconuts to supply this amount of milk?

How many monkeys have you, or your friends or families, actually observed employed as such?

Where are all these monkeys working and where are they kept?

What official organisation or UK daily rag is publishing these 'facts'?

 

Is that enough 'true facts'  or more sensibly, obvious questions one should ask before jumping to the defence of sensationalist stories from the UK?

 

 

[4MyEgo]

2 hours ago, Yinn said:

Safer for monkeys do it than human. Burmese people will die now.

That statement in itself says it all ????

 

I wonder if any of the 14 or so million Thai's that could lose their jobs due to Covid-19 would be willing to climb up trees to collect coconuts for money to feed their families....hmm, the article says 370,000 are from the farming sector. 

 

When did Thai's care for the Burmese cheap labourers Yinn ?

[sandyf]

1 hour ago, SoilSpoil said:

I see a lot of trucks with monkeys every day. The trucks doing wellover the speed limit and the animals clinging on to it. Pure animal cruelty. The man is clearly llying.

I see lots of people sleeping on the streets in the UK. Pure human cruelty.

Cruelty is in the eye of the beholder and no doubt you have irrefutable proof that a goldfish is mentally disturbed by imprisonment. 

[rovingypsy]

Since the beginning of time. They use horses, buffalo to plow fields and pacck animals like camels, mules to carry loads. 

I've watched these coconut picking monkeys. 

They Seem to really enjoy their task. 

[Leef]

2 hours ago, Yinn said:

Is Carrie a vegan? 

 

Safer for monkeys do it than human. Burmese people will die now. Sure. Carrie should think. 

I think she low knowledge. The old tree is to high for the stick.

 

And

“On 4 April 2020, Symonds announced on Twitter that she was in recovery after experiencing symptoms of coronavirus and spending a week in bed. She was not tested for the disease.” 

Boris positive, why not test Carrie? Carrie spread coronavirus?

 

 

What are you talking about? It makes no sense at all.

[Susco]

7 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

That statement in itself says it all ????

 

I wonder if any of the 14 or so million Thai's that could lose their jobs due to Covid-19 would be willing to climb up trees to collect coconuts for money to feed their families....hmm, the article says 370,000 are from the farming sector. 

 

When did Thai's care for the Burmese cheap labourers Yinn ?

My house is surrounded by coconut trees, and they get picked frequently.

 

I've never seen monkey or humans climb up the trees, as they use a very long bamboo stick to cut the coconuts, and yes I estimate that those sticks are more than 15 meters long.

[alien365]

PETA doing their usual thing to suit their own agenda and Bojo's wife has given them a (sort of) credible platform. I'd have thought there were many more wars worth fighting than monkeys climbing trees!

[4MyEgo]

2 minutes ago, Susco said:

My house is surrounded by coconut trees, and they get picked frequently.

 

I've never seen monkey or humans climb up the trees, as they use a very long bamboo stick to cut the coconuts, and yes I estimate that those sticks are more than 15 meters long.

Monkey's lives matter ????

[Bangkok Barry]

Edwin Wiek, of the Wildlife Friends Foundation Thailand that tends to rescued wildlife, said he believed the practice was waning as farmers strived to meet European trade standards.

 

I doubt very much that Thai farmers are striving to meet European trade standards. They probably have no knowledge of Europe, or acceptable standards come to that.

 

But, as the first report says, it's all just a misunderstanding.

[JusticeGB]

Strangely a tour by local Ambassadors was organised by a Government Minister to watch these non existent monkeys picking coconuts a couple of days ago to prove that no cruelty was involved. Now apparently monkeys are not used by Thailand to pick coconuts!

[SoilSpoil]

9 minutes ago, sandyf said:

I see lots of people sleeping on the streets in the UK. Pure human cruelty.

Cruelty is in the eye of the beholder and no doubt you have irrefutable proof that a goldfish is mentally disturbed by imprisonment. 

If the gold fish, unlike you it appears, has  spatial awareness, cognitive skills and intrapersonal intelligence, yes then you could call clinging on a speeding truck cruel.

[Bangkok Barry]

2 hours ago, bluesofa said:

I'd guess extending the thinking logically, McDonalds will have to close.

McDonalds use meat?

[pops1]

Look behind the curtain. This isn't about monkey labour or coconut milk production. This is the UK turning the screw in retaliation for the treatment of British citizens in Thailand and the cosy relationship it now has with China. It's a subtle tap on the shoulder to say "erm calm it down a bit little man" . The red lighting of Thai citizens to travel to the UK and now this is no coincidence. More to come in the not to distant future.

[Bigz]

Ban all fruits! Bees are used as slave labourers all over the world to produce fruit and honey. 

[BadSpottedDog]

This is not true. I see many Thais here driving their monkeys to pick coconuts. There are also 3 monkeys down the street from us. I see 2 of them regularly, and they're restrained by short chains 99% of the time. It's so sad. The 3rd monkey I see being walked and beaten and screamed at by his owner. I should get videos & pictures.

[rocketdave]

Does anyone else remember the postcard on sale here that said "Thailand's intelligent monkey!" and showed a monkey sat on a rock?

It was on sale for many years.