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Channel 7 report: No tourists and desperate times for vendors/ hotels in Pattaya


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15 hours ago, AndrewMciver said:

 

And quite rightly they will not open if it meant there would be a huge export in infections to the country.

 

Do you want Thailand to end up like India, where seemingly the virus is out of control.

 

I still don't understand why they can't create a laboratory at the airport, and do mass airport testing. Before anyone says that's impossible - Iceland is doing it. Dubai is testing at the airport, but their system is a tad hit or miss (ie you can get away with no testing at aiport if you do your own test 72 hours beforehand, which of course means you can catch the virus in those 72 hours after you've taken the test). 

What about testing the air-travelers at departure. The results could be sent across and the unlucky ones detained on arrival, while the C-10-free ones go on their way.

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and why should they with the way they have been treated over the last 30 years? They have been scammed one too many times and are booking their 40 quid flights to Spain instead.   I can

The people on the 5k a month handout are not the ones taking holidays and filling the 3-5 star hotels, it's the other segment of Thai society, the middle classes who would normally have gone overseas,

Was speaking to a Thai friend of mine recently and she said "the economy will recover soon because everyone wants to visit Thailand". Had a bit of a laugh at that and chatted about how expensive Thail

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15 hours ago, hotchilli said:

With the government regulations on international travelers I'd rethink that date too.

Not just the Thai government's regulations, you have the regulations of every other government to consider, but particularly Thailand's bigger markets of Europe and The US, then, you have airlines and travel insurance companies to consider.

 

As I have said before, if the Thai government opened all boarders and lifted all restrictions, tomorrow.  Not a lot would change here for many months to come.  

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39 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

If they continue into 2021 with the ridiculous criteria for entry, ie 14 days quarantine, health insurance, Covid test, fit for fly etc etc etc they can forget next year too, people will just stay domestic, plenty of lovely Euro or American destinations with a good climate.
Families are not going to put the price of insurance per head and a pile of documentation on top of an already costly holiday.

The government may think that's a good trade off, replacing international travellers with domestic travellers and I can't disagree, jobwise and economically it's a fair trade against the loss of life that might be expected by a return to open border tourism.

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The tourism industry in Thailand has become overpopulated, there's far too many people/businesses doing exactly the same thing, all chasing the same limited supply of tourist money. A natural cull is in order, as painful as it is, the industry will emerge on the other side in better shape for all parties.

 

 

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5 hours ago, Trillian said:

The government may think that's a good trade off, replacing international travellers with domestic travellers and I can't disagree, jobwise and economically it's a fair trade against the loss of life that might be expected by a return to open border tourism.

More people die everyday on the roads than from Covid, and if the government pushes ahead with this proposal it's economical and social suicide.

Thailand was geared up for mass tourism pure and simple, every resort and city has a frontline of thousands of workers servicing tourists one way or another,  behind them is an army of suppliers be it food, liquor, souvenirs etc. They will all be looking for other work, along with the establishment owners who will seek to bail-out later this year.

And if T.A.T say out with mass tourism in with the select wealthy the same will happen.

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On 7/10/2020 at 1:09 PM, Denim said:

Many would be people with secure jobs like government employees etc.

Too right!  I've actually previously pitied some of the government workers in the electricity/water etc offices in the apparently miserable offices in which they work.  That pity was somewhat muted by their high-handed, look down on you attitude, (initially a bit of a shock to a falang who is used to a more subservient, "how can I help" demeanour (after all, I pay your wages)). Now they must be so grateful to have a job that will always be required as paying utility bills is covid-19 resistant.   

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3 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

More people die everyday on the roads than from Covid, and if the government pushes ahead with this proposal it's economical and social suicide.

Thailand was geared up for mass tourism pure and simple, every resort and city has a frontline of thousands of workers servicing tourists one way or another,  behind them is an army of suppliers be it food, liquor, souvenirs etc. They will all be looking for other work, along with the establishment owners who will seek to bail-out later this year.

And if T.A.T say out with mass tourism in with the select wealthy the same will happen.

I don't agree at all:

 

1) the industry was over populated with similar businesses that weren't viable, it needs slimming down.

2) domestic tourism will take up sufficient of the slack to allow mainstream tourist businesses to remain viable.

3) when "things" return to near normal (as currently) the RTA death toll will resume it's high numbers, they will simply add to the covid death toll rather than replace it.

4) many if not most tourism sector workers only work in the high season, Phuket is void of most workers in low season as they return home to Issan. Finding alternate employment is not the challenge you think it is, finding alternate employment that pays as well as tourism related work may be difficult but that's a different problem.

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On 7/10/2020 at 1:21 PM, webfact said:

Foreign tourists that represented the backbone of the business were just not coming

that's a very pessimistic statement..Of course they will start to come as soon as it starts snowing in Pattaya!

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11 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

They used to make enough money in the high season to go home & ride out the short low season, maybe even take a well earned holiday... maybe take a part time job for a couple of months.
Now with thousands unemployed they don't have full time work in the bars and don't have opportunities back at home... they're stuffed !

Take a well earned holiday after working for a few months in Phuket servicing well heeled tourists, the poor dears, it's almost slave labour!

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On 7/10/2020 at 11:28 AM, Cake Monster said:

And its the Thai ~ Middle Classes ~ that are carrying most of the Household Debt

3/5 Star Hotels, New Car, new I Phone Etc Etc ETc , and most of it on Credit Cards or Credit Borrowing from the likes of AEON that are predicting a huge surge in NPL

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And also middle class is collapsing all over the world , ...

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On 7/10/2020 at 8:05 AM, SteveK said:

Was speaking to a Thai friend of mine recently and she said "the economy will recover soon because everyone wants to visit Thailand". Had a bit of a laugh at that and chatted about how expensive Thailand is now for smelly old westerners, and how the Thai love of endless paperwork and bureaucracy has soured many people's opinions of the place. I mentioned how I can enter Mexico visa free for 6 months no questions asked, and how it takes >100 sheets of paper for me to apply for my marriage extension here. Plus how easy it is to reside in Cambodia with little more than a few passport photos, the required money in USD and 5 minutes to fill out a form.

 

Sometimes it seems like Thai people are living in a bubble. They don't know what other countries offer, and assume that Thailand is the best country in the world. Now seems like the best possible time to start reigning in some of the ridiculous requirements for people who just want to come here and spend their hard-earned money in the country. If they want to keep the bad guys out, surely all they need is to do a background check rather than requesting endless pieces of paper and hand-drawn maps which will get filed away somewhere never to be seen again?

"Thai Rak Thai" about covers it!

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