Sharp jump in Covid-19 cases in state quarantine

[englishoak]

China said samples of imported shrimp tested positive for the coronavirus, raising questions again over whether the pathogen can spread through food or frozen products.

The virus tested positive on both the inside and outside of the shrimp packaging, said China’s General Administration of Customs. 

 

oh well

[sandyf]

16 hours ago, joecoolfrog said:

No testing = No data , how can any nation go forward with next to no accurate information to work with?

The authorities in the UK did not guess that there was a problem in Leicester , testing proved it.

Testing is no more than a management tool, like face masks and quarantine measures, it does not prevent something from happening.

Once people are dead, any further information is hindsight, a wonderful thing. Pre-emptive measures are the most effective, testing is trying to shut the door after the horse has bolted.

[PremiumLane]

19 hours ago, rocksniffer said:

Keep the sheeple scared. Rising CASES.  How many new deaths ? Zero ? 

You must be right, you used the word 'sheeple' ???? 

[Bkk Brian]

12 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Testing is no more than a management tool, like face masks and quarantine measures, it does not prevent something from happening.

Once people are dead, any further information is hindsight, a wonderful thing. Pre-emptive measures are the most effective, testing is trying to shut the door after the horse has bolted.

Testing is a management tool yes but its wrong to say it does not prevent something from happening. The more testing you do the more you know the full extent of the problem, the more you can make decisions on preventative measures.

[NoshowJones]

15 hours ago, Venom said:

Why?

They are on a permanent power trip, the PM with all his military education and probably no ordinary university

degrees, they like any excuse to sit round tables and make rules, then they have a crackdown which only lasts so long and the rules are forgotten, then they repeat the cycle and it goes on.

[Peter Denis]

1 hour ago, possum1931 said:

What does LMFAO stand for? Can some posters not understand they are not on a phone sending text messages.

20 hours ago, Anton9 said:

LMFAO it's July and we are still here with "the more virulent strain" BS

LMFAO is an American electronic dance music duo consisting of uncle Redfoo and nephew SkyBlu. ????

Note:  It stands for Laughing My F###ing A## Off

[Road Warrior]

watch this go up now tourists are coming back 1-800 million !!! as governments says !!!!!

[Peter Denis]

6 hours ago, TD2312 said:

The majority of cases are asymptotic or mild and do not require hospitalization. Why would those who are asymptotic or have mild symptoms show up at the hospital?

Yes indeed. 

When you have a healthy immune system you would only have mild symptoms or even more likely you would not even know that you had covid.

The point is of course whether your are INFECTUOUS when asymptotic.

That sounds like the right question to ask, but surprise, surprise it is actually BS.  Because - and this is the main point - there simply are NO asymptotic spreaders! 

But but but some so-called 'asymptotics' when tested will show a positive result.

True but what does the test actually measure?

First, the test only has an accuracy of 98% (so 2 in 100 false positives), does not distinguish between covid-19 and other corona-viruses AND - most important - the test cannot distinguish between 'having been infected' and 'being infectuous'.  the large majority of those who have been tested positive, did have covid (without even having noticed it) and the test only showed the non-active debris of the virus which their immune system took care off.  This is exactly what happened in Korea, where 200 people tested positive again after having had covid.  And that led to the fairy-tale that there was no Immunity to the virus and the notion of the Army of Asymptotic Spreaders.  Korea later admitted their mistake and apologized for it.  But the damage was done, and the media all-over had picked up that No Immunity and Asymptotic spreader nonsense, which is now being parotted by the media as true (and scary).

 

[4reaL]

41 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

Yes indeed. 

When you have a healthy immune system you would only have mild symptoms or even more likely you would not even know that you had covid.

The point is of course whether your are INFECTUOUS when asymptotic.

That sounds like the right question to ask, but surprise, surprise it is actually BS.  Because - and this is the main point - there simply are NO asymptotic spreaders! 

But but but some so-called 'asymptotics' when tested will show a positive result.

True but what does the test actually measure?

First, the test only has an accuracy of 98% (so 2 in 100 false positives), does not distinguish between covid-19 and other corona-viruses AND - most important - the test cannot distinguish between 'having been infected' and 'being infectuous'.  the large majority of those who have been tested positive, did have covid (without even having noticed it) and the test only showed the non-active debris of the virus which their immune system took care off.  This is exactly what happened in Korea, where 200 people tested positive again after having had covid.  And that led to the fairy-tale that there was no Immunity to the virus and the notion of the Army of Asymptotic Spreaders.  Korea later admitted their mistake and apologized for it.  But the damage was done, and the media all-over had picked up that No Immunity and Asymptotic spreader nonsense, which is now being parotted by the media as true (and scary).

 

 

And if you accidentally caught Covid19 and suffered near to death like many have, what would you write on ThaiVisa.com  

[TD2312]

10 minutes ago, 4reaL said:

 

And if you accidentally caught Covid19 and suffered near to death like many have, what would you write on ThaiVisa.com  

I guess i would write, "I guess all the experts on TVF were right"

[stouricks]

22 hours ago, Mattd said:

Almost certainly had the virus prior to arriving, talking to Thais who have undergone the state quarantine, it would be very difficult to be anything different, once in the hotel they are restricted to their room with no access to anybody else apart from the two tests carried out.

Transit between the airport and the hotel is escorted by the police.

So does a Police escort work better than a mask?   PML

[Peter Denis]

12 minutes ago, 4reaL said:

 

And if you accidentally caught Covid19 and suffered near to death like many have, what would you write on ThaiVisa.com  

Even though I am 63 years of age, I am healthy and my immune system is not challenged. 

So

1 - the chance of catching it in a virtually covid-free country like Thailand is minimal;

2 - my immune system will take care of it in the unlikely case - see 1 - when I do catch it (and it will make me immune for catching it again later).

I consider social distancing and masks unnecessary, and don't use it in my direct surroundings (where nobody does it, by the way).  But if people are afraid and are wearing masks I will not contribute to heightening their stress, and will then 'abide by the rules' not out of fear but out of respect for their point of view.

But I will speak up and provide my opinion when asked about it, because some of the ignorant scare-mongers are less tolerant and would lock-down the whole country forever because of their irrational fears.

 

[4reaL]

36 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

Even though I am 63 years of age, I am healthy and my immune system is not challenged. 

So

1 - the chance of catching it in a virtually covid-free country like Thailand is minimal;

2 - my immune system will take care of it in the unlikely case - see 1 - when I do catch it (and it will make me immune for catching it again later).

I consider social distancing and masks unnecessary, and don't use it in my direct surroundings (where nobody does it, by the way).  But if people are afraid and are wearing masks I will not contribute to heightening their stress, and will then 'abide by the rules' not out of fear but out of respect for their point of view.

But I will speak up and provide my opinion when asked about it, because some of the ignorant scare-mongers are less tolerant and would lock-down the whole country forever because of their irrational fears.

 

 I would never wish an illness on anyone, but you're incredibly ignorant.

 

 

[pookondee]

Its starting to get pretty obvious whats going on.

Simply, If i had a common cold i would not want to be tested with Covid, you'd turn up positive for sure.

 

But of course, the well trained fear monger sheeple, quivering in fear will ask

 

"Oh, But how do you know if its a cold or Covid?"

 

well-how do you know if even the slightest cold or flu sickness will bring back a positive for Covid?

 

And exactly therein is how this BS is being peddled.

[billd766]

23 hours ago, marin said:

You dont seem to have a clue. All the new cases are Thai's returning from abroad.

He does have a clue and you seem to be the one that doesn't.

Don't you find it odd that only few Thais on every return flight are infected but they must have been c!eared and checked by the returning country and found to be clear of the virus no matter how long they have waited?

Even though Thailand has no local infection for 47 days now the government is only letting Thais and a pitiful few farangs return.

My thoughts are that ED will be extended by a month during the last week of July and again in August.

Why? Because it gives the PM absolute power over the country and he is not going to give that up easily.

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, Peter Denis said:

Even though I am 63 years of age, I am healthy and my immune system is not challenged. 

So

1 - the chance of catching it in a virtually covid-free country like Thailand is minimal;

2 - my immune system will take care of it in the unlikely case - see 1 - when I do catch it (and it will make me immune for catching it again later).

I consider social distancing and masks unnecessary, and don't use it in my direct surroundings (where nobody does it, by the way).  But if people are afraid and are wearing masks I will not contribute to heightening their stress, and will then 'abide by the rules' not out of fear but out of respect for their point of view.

But I will speak up and provide my opinion when asked about it, because some of the ignorant scare-mongers are less tolerant and would lock-down the whole country forever because of their irrational fears.

 

Good to hear that despite your personal views you would still out of respect for others wear a mask if need be. Being empathetic to others needs be they unfounded or real is to be commended.

 

Your other points on the illness, ie, it being mild for many cases, estimates being for around 80% of people, the classification for mild is wide, it basically means you do not need oxygen in hospital, but you can still have pneumonia and not be admitted so still be classed as mild. 

 

Many mild cases have enormous impacts on the sufferers that can last many weeks. 

 

"Think a 'mild' case of Covid-19 doesn’t sound so bad? Think again" https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/06/coronavirus-covid-19-mild-symptoms-who

 

That said, I also think Thailand should now open up, for a country with obviously very low numbers (if believed) then they really do now need to take justifiable risks otherwise its going to be like this until the vaccine comes along, if it does, although personally I am sure it will.

[phetchy]

Irrespective of whether the available stats are compromised (as is highly likely in many countries around the world) or it's merely the playing field not being level due to diverse methods of data collection and interpretation, I for one am only too pleased to see the Thai authorities continuing with imposing quarantine on all inbound passengers at whatever border.  Whilst large parts of the world are opening up to non-quarantined visitors from abroad in a seemingly random or "i'll scratch your back  ....." fashion, Thailand (apparently) is insisting that all returnees (with a few exceptions) spend 14 days in quarantine (Cell block H or Hilton - up to you).  How can this not be a good thing?  If it's being done - and from first hand Thai and farang reports, it is, anyone who enters quarantine and stays for the requisite 14 days will either show positive or be clear after 14 days. Therefore the returnees who have bumped up the confirmed cases column, have not had the chance to pass on the virus in the community as they are now in hospital!

 

Although the chances of me getting to the UK and back by the end of the year are probably scuppered (as I won't go if I can't return),  I am more than happy to be in an (apparently) safer environment at the cost of being tied by travel restrictions.

[chainarong]

Very similar to OZ although Melbourne has local transmission,  very similar to Singapore, all other states are from oversea's and a US serviceman tested positive in Darwin Thursday and had no symptoms 

[Acharn]

On 7/11/2020 at 1:08 PM, puck2 said:

Isn't it strange that only "retournees" cause covid-19 cases here in Thailand, in a country with such low infection cases?!

 

If you use your logic then you decouver contradictions.

 

• As far as I know, no normal tourist is allowed to enter Thailand - except diplomats, etc. "12 from Sudan", they all haven't been controlled in their country or airport of departure? The same concerning 1 patient from Bahrain and from the US, too? Unbelivable.
• Only farangs carried the Covid-19, Thailand, but Thailand has gone 47 days without a domestic case. Incredible. Yes, if you don't test Thais, there are no cases! Trump logic.
• Yes, I know, the time between the virus-infection and the -discovery takes more than 3 days. Therefore it's possible, that the virus could not yet be detected in the state of departure, but a short time later in Thailand. But, but .. that happened 47 days only in falang cases? Incredible.

 

For me it seems the military government wants to hide a lot.

??? Why do you say "falang" (I spell it 'farang') cases? The article said they are all "returnees," which I interpret as Thai people.

[sandyf]

3 hours ago, billd766 said:

Don't you find it odd that only few Thais on every return flight are infected but they must have been c!eared and checked by the returning country and found to be clear of the virus no matter how long they have waited?

That is not true Bill, nobody can be cleared 100%, all they can do is try and minimise the risk.

It takes 5/6 days from becoming infected to becoming infectious and during that time the RT-PCR test goes from unreliable on day one to high reliability once the person becomes infectious.

It is quite likely that the person that gets infected the day before their test 72 hours prior to flight will get a negative result and be allowed to board.

 

What happens in reality or when used in practice, a swab taken from a patient, hoping that if patients have the coronavirus infection, that enough of the virus is picked up on the swab for the PCR test to be able to detect the virus. As the swab needs to pick up enough of the virus to work, this is one of the reasons the coronavirus the PCR test can have a higher false-negative test rate — i.e. missing the virus even though someone has the infection. So, basically, the test uses swabs from the nose and throat and has a high accuracy rate, but it doesn’t pick up all infections and therefore, sometimes results vary.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blogs/the-interviews-blog/rt-pcr-is-fairly-quick-its-now-used-with-high-reliability-as-a-test-to-detect-covid-19/

 

 

[Jumbo1968]

1 minute ago, sandyf said:

That is not true Bill, nobody can be cleared 100%, all they can do is try and minimise the risk.

It takes 5/6 days from becoming infected to becoming infectious and during that time the RT-PCR test goes from unreliable on day one to high reliability once the person becomes infectious.

It is quite likely that the person that gets infected the day before their test 72 hours prior to flight will get a negative result and be allowed to board.

 

What happens in reality or when used in practice, a swab taken from a patient, hoping that if patients have the coronavirus infection, that enough of the virus is picked up on the swab for the PCR test to be able to detect the virus. As the swab needs to pick up enough of the virus to work, this is one of the reasons the coronavirus the PCR test can have a higher false-negative test rate — i.e. missing the virus even though someone has the infection. So, basically, the test uses swabs from the nose and throat and has a high accuracy rate, but it doesn’t pick up all infections and therefore, sometimes results vary.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blogs/the-interviews-blog/rt-pcr-is-fairly-quick-its-now-used-with-high-reliability-as-a-test-to-detect-covid-19/

 

 

Retur Thais don’t require a Covid19 test only fit to fly cert.

[JackThompson]

9 hours ago, wealthychef said:

 

Your point at the end about who runs thing is really the big big issue, and you are echoing Karl Marx's big concern, which is the issue of a ruling class struggling to suppress the worker class. I totally agree with this being a problem.  The trouble is that the oligarchs run things in the world, always have, and if people like you keep up your misguided fight for the interests of the oligarchy and resign yourself to having to "win" and accepting their table scraps, they always will rule you and you'll never see the strings that move you.  

People like you keep thinking Marx wasn't acting in the interests of the ruling-class, and that the oligarchy didn't rule under all forms of the system he designed.  Maybe a "different oligarchy" (replacing Russian Czars with Bolsheviks), but the "regular folks" didn't somehow take control.

 

Believe me, I have no love for the oligarchs (or Reagan, for example).  I simply believe that the Nationalist-limited Capitalism we had in the USA until fairly recently - which was regulated strictly by the state -  was Far Superior to all alternatives. 

 

Check out wage-rates for things like construction in 1975 vs now.  And, yes, unions were a part of Nationalist-Capitalism.  Those well-paid folks wanted nothing to do with more govt "help," because they had a great life from their paychecks.

 

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You don't understand some words I used I think, intentionally or not.  Maybe I can help.  By "independent" I mean people who study the problem seriously and formulate their ideas based on scientific evidence and peer review.  Maybe I should have used another word.  

No - the word is simply not applicable, because they need to eat, and so do their "peer reviewers," who are in the same boat.  I am not arguing against the scientific-method, I am saying that what passes as 'science', today, is bought and paid for by oligarchs. 

 

Those who don't reach the "correct" conclusions are shunned, and even find their content censored and/or accounts closed by the oligarchs who own the media-platforms (You Tube, etc).

 

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 I'm arguing we make medicine free.  You pretend not to understand what I mean by "free."  I think you are being dishonest in your confusion.  I mean "free" like it was free for you to go to grade school.  Like your local parks and roads are free.  Like that.  it's not complicated, unless you try to make it that way to confuse the issue.  That is called "sophistry" I think.  

 

As a proponent of socialism, I ask you to just think of it this way:  Socialism is about cooperation and society, and capitalism is about competition and the individual.  So public parks and schools and fire departments are socialism.  They are free.  Other countries look at our medical system and think of it like we would if a country charged its citizen for police protection.  It's outrageous.  No, you don't pay for the fire department to put out the fire.  No, you don't pay your doctor to treat your cancer.  Come on!  

What you are describing, is the productive being forced to pay for the decisions/choices of the less-productive. 

 

I agree about many of the problems - sky-high medical in the USA, for example.  But it wasn't always that way - and we didn't "need" socialism, before, to keep prices low.  We had regulations, in the public-interest, which made hospitals and health-insurance private non-profits. 

 

People "paid" vs "free" - but they had fat-paychecks to cover it then, so not a problem.  They were still responsible for their decisions, however - which is key.  There would be no poverty left in the West, if we had just kept our borders shut and high import-tariffs on goods made by wage-slaves in other countries where they were in 1975.

 

That doesn't mean we buy into the "Libertarian Party" (USA anarcho-capitalism) game, either - the "right-wing" spin for no-tariffs and a flooded labor-market - policies adopted by the Rs in the 198s and Ds in the 1990s.

 

If fire depts were turned into private non-profits paid by cities or neighborhoods through some sort of non-profit insurance, that would be fine.   Some things should not be "for profit," and don't need to be, because they have a "captive audience" - fire, medical, police, etc.  I'm good with that.

 

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Note that individualist competition is what has made our politics into the game show, horse race, for-profit horror show we see on display today in both parties.  Imagine if we gave people a day off to vote, made it easy to vote, and stopped using our government to prop up the two corporate parties.  I would call that an improvement.  Under socialism, corporations would not run the debate commissions like they do now.  

You would also need to get people to pay attention to policy.  Ask folks left or right in the USA about POLICY, and see how many sane answers you get.  The "left" thinks they "know about" Trump - but just know a bunch of lies.  The "right" thinks Trump kept his 2016 promises.  Both know literally nothing about reality - because the Media is owned/run by Oligarchs - a few Translationals controlling almost all info - who keep them ignorant.

 

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You make a common straw man argument against socialism, that Stalin was socialist, he killed people, therefore socialism is bad.  Stalin was not a socialist, he used the word like Hitler did to fool the working class into thinking he was helping them.  North Korea calls itself the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea if I'm not mistaken.  Would you say that makes it a democracy?  No.  

 

There, I made my effort today.  If you are still confused, it's because you want to be.  You like licking the boots of those billionaires?  No?  Then come join the fight against them.  Call it whatever you want, but how about if we start by reforming our democracy?  Non-partisan, non-ideological solution here:  https://represent.us 

I described my objections to Socialism, above.  I do not want more concentrated power - either corporate or "socialist"/govt.  I want Sane Regulations like we used to have on corporate power, including what I mentioned above, plus anti-trust enforcement.  That way, well-paid working-folks can pay for what they need/want.

Edited July 12, 2020 by JackThompson

[Mung]

10 hours ago, Peter Denis said:

Yes indeed. 

When you have a healthy immune system you would only have mild symptoms or even more likely you would not even know that you had covid.

 

A big part of getting very ill or not happens to be the viral load. If have a large dose of the virus your body will have trouble dealing with it whatever your immune system is like. The worst incident is where you take in a huge dose via the air into the depths of your lungs and alveoli sacs, which leads to severe pneumonia 

[Stargeezr]

Another possibility is that an air crew member who was infected with the virus but showing no symptoms  could have infected some of the returnees.  How ever it happened, it is

still good to be cautious until the virus is under control.  The anti vacciers need not

get their heads in a twist as I do not believe that Thailand will make the vaccine mandatory.

   I wished the US would get a bunch of quarantine centres operating soon as they

certainly need some sort of a plan.

Geezer

  

[Jumbo1968]

3 minutes ago, Stargrazer9889 said:

Another possibility is that an air crew member who was infected with the virus but showing no symptoms  could have infected some of the returnees.  How ever it happened, it is

still good to be cautious until the virus is under control.  The anti vacciers need not

get their heads in a twist as I do not believe that Thailand will make the vaccine mandatory.

   I wished the US would get a bunch of quarantine centres operating soon as they

certainly need some sort of a plan.

Geezer

  

So where is that crew member if that’s the case sent home with some paracetamol ?

[sandyf]

15 hours ago, Jumbo1968 said:

Retur Thais don’t require a Covid19 test only fit to fly cert.

Try reading the post I replied to again.

[Mikeinapac]

Seriously....they shouldnt just have open border to all countries. Travel bubble for responsible nations and US and Sudan definitely arent in that list.

[TD2312]

I guess doing more testing than any other nation with the exception of China somehow makes the US irresponsible? 

[unblocktheplanet]

After 50 days with no domestic infections, what disturbs me is there's no news about the 70 critical still remaining in hospital. What is medical science learning from them?

[unblocktheplanet]

15 hours ago, Stargrazer9889 said:

I do not believe that Thailand will make the vaccine mandatory.

Geezer

  

Geez, I'm not too conspiratorial, either. BUT the USA is certainly capable of leaning heavily to Thailand to make its vaccinations mandatory, effective or not.

Thailand is already requiring health insurance for O-A holders. I'm 70, I simply couldn't buy such even if I could afford it.

As such insurance is already mandatory, it would be a baby step to make evidence of vaccination necessary for re-entry, perhaps even for extensions. Perhaps the airlines themselves or the govts where they are registered will make vaccinations required to board a flight.

Thailand is home but I have loved ones elsewhere.