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Koh Samui: For sale and gathering dust - island that catered to foreigners is completely deserted

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On 7/19/2020 at 4:09 PM, Awinkl said:

.... PSSSST ..... it's a bit too close to Samui, but definitely will be worthwhile to check-out. THANK's!!

I am also interested in some Islands further down the coast - actually I think already in Malaysian waters and not that easy to get to .... from BKK?

Went to Koh Lipe ... and liked it ..... and fortunately, there are still a lot of (very interesting) places ... to explore.... 😊 that will keep me busy (in my Retirement).

Don't know when you went to Lipe, but that has gone the way of Samui as well. Last time I went that way about seven years ago (boat to Koh Bulon Lae), it was full of young backpapckers talking about how they were going to party. I remember Lipe as very quiet, apart from the long tail boat engines. Beautiful empty beaches.

 

As for Malaysian islands, the Perhentians were indeed beautiful, and extremely quiet when I went. Almost dead. I did read that there were a lot of drug problems on one of the two islands a while back.

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On 7/11/2020 at 9:48 PM, thaibeachlovers said:

The island that sold its soul for greed got its comeuppance!

I for one have no sympathy.

I stopped going there last century when it went trendy and expensive. Kicked the cheap places out ( like Charlie's hut ), destroyed the old Ark bar and built horrid concrete places everywhere.

Couldn't believe it last time I sailed past on the ferry to Phangan- concrete villas destroying every hillside. Used to be a great place to holiday- Chaweng is one of the most beautiful beaches I've ever seen, but ruined by greed and aircraft.

Only people to blame are the Thais that destroyed it to get rich.

and now it is going bananas!

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7 hours ago, torturedsole said:

Please allow me to update the OP's header in light of the continuing and deteriorating realisation that tourists (what's left of them) won't be going anywhere near Koh Samui for some considerable time to come.  Obviously not limited to Samui either.

 

Koh Samui: For sale and gathering dust - island that catered to foreigners is economically destroyed.

 

 

Karma is real! Samui got it's comeuppance for going trendy, expensive and IMO horrid.

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On 7/25/2020 at 5:20 PM, phetphet said:

Don't know when you went to Lipe, but that has gone the way of Samui as well. Last time I went that way about seven years ago (boat to Koh Bulon Lae), it was full of young backpapckers talking about how they were going to party. I remember Lipe as very quiet, apart from the long tail boat engines. Beautiful empty beaches.

 

As for Malaysian islands, the Perhentians were indeed beautiful, and extremely quiet when I went. Almost dead. I did read that there were a lot of drug problems on one of the two islands a while back.

Young bagpackers and parties always seems the end of paradise. After them come the flashpacker and the accommodation desired by them. Once the flashpackers arrive it really is the end of paradise. Not enough 5* tourists want to visit LOS for them to be a large change factor.

 

However, I've yet to see the absolute horror that has befallen the once lovely beaches of Penang in LOS. Even Patong isn't that bad.

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On 8/2/2020 at 6:42 PM, pedro01 said:

So you are happy that large sections of the local community are without an income now? 

 

I hope for your sake that Karma isn't real... 

They are the ones that caused and profited by the destruction wrought on the once beautiful island of Samui. Tourists didn't build the concrete houses all over the hills, and they didn't ruin the beach. Karma on those that did.

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On 8/3/2020 at 12:22 AM, khunPer said:

If that definition quoted above is right, then Samui died as paradise – to my best knowledge – in the early 1980s...

It's not right. I went to Samui many times in the 90s and it wasn't, apart from a few places on Chaweng a "party island" as Had Rin is. Unfortunately, the Phangan locals decided to get in on the party scene and promoted black moon etc parties on other beaches than Rin. Thankfully, the beaches on the north east I stayed on didn't become ruined by pestilential noise all night, though Thong Nai Pan Yai had a party bar that ruined it, so never went back there.

The beginning of the rot was when they built the airport, though it took a decade to really get ruined.

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On 8/3/2020 at 12:22 AM, khunPer said:

When the local police get too interested in their mushroom drinks and bonfire on the beaches, they migrated by long tail boat, and moved their party to an isolated stretch of sand, not reachable over land, on the tip of neighboring island Koh Phangan. Incidentally it was a night with a full Moon rise over the horizon. It was also a birthday party, but most people forget who had birthday – his name was Joe, and it was his 21st birthday during Xmas 1977...:thumbsup: – but it was such a cool party that they decided to do it again next full moon, and so they continued every following full Moon ever since...

The story I heard was very different. The reality is probably lost in time.

I once tried to find out about the "lost in Time " bar on Haad Khom, as there has to be an interesting story connected to it, but apparently that information is not to be found. I suspect that is the case with most 80s history of the islands.

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5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The story I heard was very different. The reality is probably lost in time.

I once tried to find out about the "lost in Time " bar on Haad Khom, as there has to be an interesting story connected to it, but apparently that information is not to be found. I suspect that is the case with most 80s history of the islands.

There are different stories about the birth of the Full Moon Party – the story about Joe's 21st birthday in 1977 is however one I have directly from Joe, he tell's it here...

–and a bit more about the early time here...

 

Another story is that it began in a bar, or rather wooden hut, in Haad Rin in 1985 and later moved to the beach. Bear in mind that Haad Rin was not easy reachable over land in before sometime in the the 1980s, either one needed to cross the hills/cliffs, or one could walk by the seafront in during low tide, I've been told. Nobody lived there, only a few hundred people lived on Phangan by the 1970s. Those partying on Haad Rin beach in the beginning came by long tail boats.

 

Time Magazine told a story where the Full Moon Party started in 1988, it moved to Phangan after the parties originally took place on the beach in Chaweng. They moved out because of complaints about noise, after electric cables were installed from Nathon to Chaweng, and all night loud music became a possibility. Before that there were only generators running from 6 pm till 10 pm, and after that time bonfire and candles on the beach, and hippies with guitars. The crowd were about 25 guests, compared to now on days (before Covid-19 lockdown) easily 25,000 visitors.

You can read the article "Silver Sand and the Sound of Waves: It’s 1988 and Thailand’s First Full Moon Party" from Time Magazine here.

 

The first modern style Full Moon Parties started in 1989, organized by Mr. Sutti Kursakul from Paradise Bungalows...

Fullmoon-party-originator_DSC03487w.jpg.574312b6dee6714bb016ae7412ea6b11.jpg

 

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I admit to not being able to go back to the start of the FMP on KPN but there were still spin-offs on Koh Sami up to the early 2000's.

Secret Beach was one such spin-of. (Samrong Bay - where Six Senses is now.) The last one there was in February 2001. It kept wifey and I awake all night. No road and no electricity here back then. Just a track through the jungle. There was a small bamboo resort nearby just opposite Koh Som, called Secret Resort.

There were also FMP's held in the bay at Sea Dance, near Choengmon. Anyone out there know the name of the bay? These lasted less than a year.

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15 hours ago, khunPer said:

I hoped you would have understood the joking part of my explanation...😉

 

Next time you find a paradise island, keep quiet, and tell everybody to do the same...🤫 

The private airport was build only because there was, and still is, a demand, pure business, not a political decision to boost something.

 

The northern beaches of Samui are not all spoiled – and so even more the northern part of Phangan – if that's what you are searching for, and the smaller local restaurants are pretty much as in older time, apart from prices have gone up, but so have foreign salaries.

 

I you stick to the southwestern part of Samui it's still quite like how Samui (probably) once was, you don't need to visit Chaweng and like places...🙂

Sorry, I did miss that.

 

Chaweng was the perfect beach when I visited it, but after it went full on destroyed I found what I was looking for in the north east of Phangan. Than Sadet was my favourite, though sadly I never managed to get back there after I got married. Bottle Beach could have been a favourite, but for the horrid concrete hotel right in the middle of it.

The last beach I visited was Haad Khom, but they had built the concrete road that far and mains power was coming. The flash packer expensive rooms were already under construction- paradise was being lost as I looked.

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14 hours ago, khunPer said:

There are different stories about the birth of the Full Moon Party – the story about Joe's 21st birthday in 1977 is however one I have directly from Joe, he tell's it here...

Thanks for that post.

The tragedy of Hat Rin is that it is one of the most perfect beaches in Thailand, but off limits to anyone wanting nature over man.

I stayed there a few times late last century and while developed it wasn't yet overwhelmed by party mania. Quite nice actually.

The last time was on a stop over on the way back from Phangan a decade later- I hardly recognised the place and the price for the same place I stayed years before had gone up astronomically. The first place I stayed at which was lovely had vanished under a concrete mostrocity. Even the rather nice resort on Leela beach had gone full concrete destruction. Seemed that communing with nature on a nice beach was lost to foam parties and black moon raves.

I did go down to a few FMPs, but judging by the photos on the internet they were very low key compared to now.

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