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8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Thanks for that post.

The tragedy of Hat Rin is that it is one of the most perfect beaches in Thailand, but off limits to anyone wanting nature over man.

I stayed there a few times late last century and while developed it wasn't yet overwhelmed by party mania. Quite nice actually.

The last time was on a stop over on the way back from Phangan a decade later- I hardly recognised the place and the price for the same place I stayed years before had gone up astronomically. The first place I stayed at which was lovely had vanished under a concrete mostrocity. Even the rather nice resort on Leela beach had gone full concrete destruction. Seemed that communing with nature on a nice beach was lost to foam parties and black moon raves.

I did go down to a few FMPs, but judging by the photos on the internet they were very low key compared to now.

There are still a few sparsely populated and 'hidden' beaches on Phangan (even more so now). They are just a bit trickier to access. But that adds to the appeal. 

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On 7/11/2020 at 9:48 PM, thaibeachlovers said:

The island that sold its soul for greed got its comeuppance!

I for one have no sympathy.

I stopped going there last century when it went trendy and expensive. Kicked the cheap places out ( like Charlie's hut ), destroyed the old Ark bar and built horrid concrete places everywhere.

Couldn't believe it last time I sailed past on the ferry to Phangan- concrete villas destroying every hillside. Used to be a great place to holiday- Chaweng is one of the most beautiful beaches I've ever seen, but ruined by greed and aircraft.

Only people to blame are the Thais that destroyed it to get rich.

Although you got a lot of likes (which must make you happy - rants always get them) why not answer an honest question.  Supply and demand - people love the island and come in greater numbers, more things spring up to accommodate or service them.

The island is booming, you own some land near the beach.  You could develop a resort and make a lot of money.  You could sell your land to someone else to develop and make a lot of money.  Or you could refuse because you are not greedy and you want the island to remain as it was when everyone had to defecate in a hole.  Comments like "Only people to blame are the Thais that destroyed it to get rich" sound incredibly bitter and jealous.

And one flight an hour ruins the island for you too?

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On 7/11/2020 at 10:13 AM, rooster59 said:

Thai PBS went to Chaweng Beach on Koh Samui and found it completely deserted.

Not quite deserted as it is possible to see at least one person in each of the beach photographs.

'nuf sed.

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1 hour ago, Tropicalevo said:

That happened way back on a beach near me. Tongson Bay.

Local man owned beachside land and had a few bungalows on it. Dirt road access. No electricity.

A couple of Brits came and offered to buy the land to set up a 'resort'. Back then, the top price for beachside land was 1 million baht per rai. They offered 5 million baht per rai.

The Thai guy said 'what would I do with all of that money?'

They replied 'you could relax, sit and do nothing except fish and eat and drink.'

His response was 'I do that now. With all of that money I just have a headache. All of my family and friends will come to me for a 'loan' and in 5 years it is all gone. No thank you, I will keep the land.'

He is still there.

Brilliant! I was expecting a very different punchline from my own knowledge of that area 🤣

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On 8/7/2020 at 5:11 AM, josephbloggs said:

Although you got a lot of likes (which must make you happy - rants always get them) why not answer an honest question.  Supply and demand - people love the island and come in greater numbers, more things spring up to accommodate or service them.

The island is booming, you own some land near the beach.  You could develop a resort and make a lot of money.  You could sell your land to someone else to develop and make a lot of money.  Or you could refuse because you are not greedy and you want the island to remain as it was when everyone had to defecate in a hole.  Comments like "Only people to blame are the Thais that destroyed it to get rich" sound incredibly bitter and jealous.

And one flight an hour ruins the island for you too?

 

Supply and demand - people love the island and come in greater numbers, more things spring up to accommodate or service them.

Just because people want to come doesn't mean nature has to be destroyed to accommodate them. Look at what happened in Maya Bay; destroyed by Thais bringing too many tourists to the beach because of greed.

Countries like NZ don't allow rampant, unregulated development in areas of exceptional beauty, and still manage to have a tourist industry that enjoys those areas.

Samui was well and truly developed in the 90s, and no one was pooping in a hole in the ground. The only reason for ruining it was greed.

If it continues, it will be like Penang Island, which is really awful.

 

BTW, package tourists don't go anywhere because they love the place. They go because they believe the lies in the travel agent brochures. People used to love the island ( including me ) but no one could love the horrid place it became. They probably love the night life and the parties, but hardly nature. No one that loves nature would go back for a second time.

 

Yes, the flights over where I was staying ruined it for me, along with uncontrolled hawkers on the beach. Thankfully, the jet ski scam had not arrived before I stopped staying on Samui, but the long tails did their best to destroy many other beaches even without jet skis or speedboats.

 

Would you have a vested interest in property on the island, by any chance?

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On 8/7/2020 at 5:11 AM, josephbloggs said:

Although you got a lot of likes (which must make you happy - rants always get them)

Why is treasuring nature a rant? Obviously I'm not the only one that thinks Samui is overdeveloped.

Only happy people are the ones made lotsacash from ruining it.

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On 8/6/2020 at 6:08 PM, RickG16 said:

There are still a few sparsely populated and 'hidden' beaches on Phangan (even more so now). They are just a bit trickier to access. But that adds to the appeal. 

They are only that way BECAUSE they are hard to get to. Phanagn benefits immensely by not having an airport. Just extending the road from Chaloklum brought the rot to Haad Khom.

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2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

They are only that way BECAUSE they are hard to get to. Phanagn benefits immensely by not having an airport. Just extending the road from Chaloklum brought the rot to Haad Khom.

True... but there are also sparsely populated beaches on Samui, even though they might not be hidden. 

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11 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

 

Supply and demand - people love the island and come in greater numbers, more things spring up to accommodate or service them.

Just because people want to come doesn't mean nature has to be destroyed to accommodate them. Look at what happened in Maya Bay; destroyed by Thais bringing too many tourists to the beach because of greed.

Countries like NZ don't allow rampant, unregulated development in areas of exceptional beauty, and still manage to have a tourist industry that enjoys those areas.

Samui was well and truly developed in the 90s, and no one was pooping in a hole in the ground. The only reason for ruining it was greed.

If it continues, it will be like Penang Island, which is really awful.

 

BTW, package tourists don't go anywhere because they love the place. They go because they believe the lies in the travel agent brochures. People used to love the island ( including me ) but no one could love the horrid place it became. They probably love the night life and the parties, but hardly nature. No one that loves nature would go back for a second time.

 

Yes, the flights over where I was staying ruined it for me, along with uncontrolled hawkers on the beach. Thankfully, the jet ski scam had not arrived before I stopped staying on Samui, but the long tails did their best to destroy many other beaches even without jet skis or speedboats.

 

Would you have a vested interest in property on the island, by any chance?

Ok, so you completely ignored my question.  You blame "Thai greed" which is a popular refrain on this forum.  But again, I will ask you, if you were left a valuable area of land on the beach and you were offered a couple of million dollars for it (or more) would you take it and not care about what happened to the plot, or would you resist the "greed" and say no, you like the island like it is, not sell, and leave your coconut plantation alone?  We both know the answer.  Any human would sell the land and retire happy and know their kids are looked after.

So it is not Thai greed, it is human nature.  I would sell the land and I wouldn't give a fig if they built a 50 story monstrosity on it and Samui became Benidorm.  I wouldn't.  You wouldn't.  I would have sold my land on soi 38 and kissed goodbye to the street food.  I would have sold Hemingway's to a hotel chain and laughed all the way to the bank.  And so would you.  Unless you were / are Bill Gates.

Tell me you would resist the money and leave the coconuts to live in peace - and then you can can talk about Thai "greed".  It is so boring to read that term in post after post, along with "brown envelopes" - another "hilarious" TVF favourite.  

So, care to answer the question honestly?  What would you do?  Would you turn down the money?

And no, I have no property interests in Samui, absolutely nilch.

 

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On 7/12/2020 at 1:45 AM, ayahuasca said:

PS: any other recommendations? I was in Phu Quoc last year, and it was 1/2 the price of Thailand and there were some very nice beaches, however, wanton development is occurring there too, to a bizarre extreme. 

Da Nang beach is nice and clean, and clear water, despite being a big city.

 

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12 hours ago, khunPer said:

Most well known before and now comparison is Pattaya...

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Seems like the external server with the image I inserted from Google-search is not working, so I copy and upload the image about "Pattaya before and (almost) now" instead to Thaivisa...

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