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The people talking about the downfall of the island don't seem to want to face the fact that they themselves were contributors to the downfall. 

 

That is always how that works. Even if it was you alone in your house on the island, part of the reason it "went to <deleted>" is YOU. 

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On 8/11/2020 at 3:14 PM, utalkin2me said:

The people talking about the downfall of the island don't seem to want to face the fact that they themselves were contributors to the downfall. 

 

That is always how that works. Even if it was you alone in your house on the island, part of the reason it "went to <deleted>" is YOU. 

Horrible uneducated, money grabbing locals, expats seem like an arrogant bunch too.

Glad it's <deleted>

Bad luck samui

 You brought it on yourself with all the corruption and mismanagement. 

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On 8/10/2020 at 4:22 PM, RickG16 said:

True... but there are also sparsely populated beaches on Samui, even though they might not be hidden. 

One of the benefits of a large island. I once walked south from Lamai and discovered a large and beautiful beach that had but one or two hotels on it. No doubt the lack of a songtheaw service had spared it.

That was long ago, so may have changed now.

 

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On 8/11/2020 at 8:14 PM, utalkin2me said:

The people talking about the downfall of the island don't seem to want to face the fact that they themselves were contributors to the downfall. 

 

That is always how that works. Even if it was you alone in your house on the island, part of the reason it "went to <deleted>" is YOU. 

Similar to the bagpackers desire to visit "untouched by western civilization" hill tribes in the north. Soon as the first bagpacker set foot in the village they were corrupted, and ended up with the kids sent out to beg.

 

However, Samui in the 90s seemed to have the balance right between acceptable accommodations for a large range of wallets and over development. Of course the lure of the big baht was too much in the end, sadly. To see where it ultimately ends up with greed as the motivation, look to Penang for the future. That's a horror even worse than Chaweng.

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On 8/10/2020 at 6:25 PM, Tropicalevo said:

I believe that you are ranting and I think that it is about Chaweng. Not Samui. Similar to many others that trash Samui. Chaweng is one small area on the island. Personally, I avoid the place like the plague.

Where I live, I regularly meet monitor lizards, snakes, squirrels etc and I get to see dolphins again. I live where there is a fair bit of development. Travel around the island and off the ring road and there is still a lot of 'nature'.

Unfortunately, many folk come to Samui, stay in or near Chaweng and believe that that is all there is.

Er - there are still people pooping in a hole in the ground on Samui today. Maybe get out more.

I'm happy to hear that nature still hangs on in Samui. Chaweng is without doubt a jewel in the world crown of beautiful beaches, so when it is ruined it is a loss for the planet.

However, you have a point. To single out Chaweng and condemn the entire island is rather like thinking all of NZ is a <deleted><deleted> just because Auckland is.

I'll try and be more specific in the future, though the last time I passed by Samui on the ferry from Phangan, it was hard to see the hillsides ( no where near Chaweng ) because of the number of flash villas built all over them.

 

I never saw anyone pooping in a hole in the ground on Samui, and I went a lot of places. However, I'll bow to your more extensive knowledge of pooping on Samui.

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On 8/11/2020 at 4:05 AM, josephbloggs said:

Ok, so you completely ignored my question.  You blame "Thai greed" which is a popular refrain on this forum.  But again, I will ask you, if you were left a valuable area of land on the beach and you were offered a couple of million dollars for it (or more) would you take it and not care about what happened to the plot, or would you resist the "greed" and say no, you like the island like it is, not sell, and leave your coconut plantation alone?  We both know the answer.  Any human would sell the land and retire happy and know their kids are looked after.

So it is not Thai greed, it is human nature.  I would sell the land and I wouldn't give a fig if they built a 50 story monstrosity on it and Samui became Benidorm.  I wouldn't.  You wouldn't.  I would have sold my land on soi 38 and kissed goodbye to the street food.  I would have sold Hemingway's to a hotel chain and laughed all the way to the bank.  And so would you.  Unless you were / are Bill Gates.

Tell me you would resist the money and leave the coconuts to live in peace - and then you can can talk about Thai "greed".  It is so boring to read that term in post after post, along with "brown envelopes" - another "hilarious" TVF favourite.  

So, care to answer the question honestly?  What would you do?  Would you turn down the money?

And no, I have no property interests in Samui, absolutely nilch.

 

And so would you.

You know nothing about me, yet you think you do :post-4641-1156693976:

 

So, care to answer the question honestly?  What would you do?  Would you turn down the money?

Yes. I sacrificed decades of my life to caring for the sick and injured for the pittance they pay nurses, so not something I'd consider.

The opportunity to live as near to nature as possible is a treasure beyond anything money can buy. The great joy I found in LOS was on the minimally developed beaches. Than Sadet was wonderful. I stopped going to any beach I loved when it went too concrete. I think it's very sad that the opportunity for new generations of tourists to experience a beautiful beach while not having to live in a tent is lost in LOS. Not everyone only wants to party and get blotted.

 

That's not something unique at all. Beatrice Potter spent a large amount of her fortune to preserve the Lake district in England, something millions of people flock to to experience. She could have lived in a mansion, but chose to live in a rather small and dark farmhouse.

 

If I won millions in a lottery I'd buy something as unspoiled as possible and treasure living in it that way every day.

 

Human nature- perhaps, if one thinks all humans are greedy, but many are not.

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On 8/11/2020 at 7:56 PM, khunPer said:

Seems like the external server with the image I inserted from Google-search is not working, so I copy and upload the image about "Pattaya before and (almost) now" instead to Thaivisa...

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Can't compare Pattaya to Chaweng. Pattaya was never in the same league. Very average beach. Probably only got started because it was a convenient beach for the US servicemen at U Tapao.

It was already so developed in the 80s that the stench from the sea pollution was keeping visitors away. Chaweng didn't get exploited badly till this century.

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On 8/11/2020 at 7:20 AM, khunPer said:

Of course it's changed during the years, numerous villas have been build up the hill by Chaweng Noi, but no towers, or any tall buildings. This 2020 photo – taken during the lockdown – is almost same position, 40 years after...

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The feeling of natur is not completely gone, but there are more people now., and also development. However, there are plenty of other less developed beautiful beaches with lots of nature on Samui, and heading up the hills and the mountains in the middle of the island, the nature is still like the nature was a long time ago.

Concrete is concrete, no matter how low it is.

No person that treasures nature could love that scene.

 

In the 90s, for the most part "no building above the tree line" included "not visible when standing on the beach". Some places like Charlie's Hut were very visible, but only because the trees were sparse in the area.

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On 8/11/2020 at 7:20 AM, khunPer said:

Walking by Hua Hin beach today is like walking any over developed tourist beach destination, with tower hotels and appartements, almost anywhere in the World...

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What that photo does not show is that that beach is impassable at high tide ( further down the beach ) because of the illegal encroachment below high tide level. The water is waist deep along the sea walls.

That is down to greed and corruption.

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On 8/12/2020 at 7:45 PM, Nsp64 said:

Horrible uneducated, money grabbing locals, expats seem like an arrogant bunch too.

Glad it's <deleted>

Bad luck samui

 You brought it on yourself with all the corruption and mismanagement. 

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