steven100 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, KC 71 said: More like half - two thirds one can only hope .... it needs a good clean out to get some quality restored. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jlwilliamsjr18 Posted July 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 12, 2020 Gross mismanagement, unregulated tourism, mass tourism for max. profit has led Thailand into human bondage, disease, murder and environmental catastrophe. The lure of drugs, sex, alcohol, on the cheap has virtually destroyed this paradise. So... it's good that these businesses are dissolving. Now is the time to repair and move forward, not an instant fix, but real sincere reparation, a new normal. Yes, it's time to weed out the drunken ex-pat mongers, send them home, stop the party venues (Full Moon etc.) Embrace eco-tourism, limit tourism and in the long run, revenues will increase. Young people, not foreigners will have opportunities that lead somewhere, not to debt and poverty, which lead to crime and self hate. NO, I'm not missionary, I'm a realist. 4 2 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Postmaster Posted July 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 12, 2020 Now is not the time to be thrashing business owners about dual pricing. Most of us can pay just a little bit more than the Thais. Leave that argument for brighter times. 7 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pilotman Posted July 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 12, 2020 (edited) Many of the so called tourist 'attractions' in Thailand are poor quality, badly maintained, sometimes dangerous (zip wires), scams (jetskis) and poor value for money. They are in effect tourist rip offs and they deserve to fail. Improve the quality make them safer and maybe some will survive, if not so what, tourists are better off without them. Edited July 12, 2020 by Pilotman 20 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BestB Posted July 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 12, 2020 4 hours ago, sezze said: I agree . No tourists , sure many will stop not to reopen ... no costumers , only bills . Once tourism is going again , and it will get going again , even if it takes a few years , business will start again . Might be a different one , but demand creates opportunities , and some people will take that opportunity ( and lots of others will try to jump in also , grabbing a bit ) . This off course is very painful for the people who are in it now , no doubt about it , but there will be light on the horizon . Might be 3 months , might be 1y , might be 5 years , but it will shine , and the longer it takes the more it will shine ( because less competition ). And yes , that also means the girls and boys serving beers among other things will be back also . Basic rule --- demand - supply Thousands losing all their money or already lost. It might be little hard to fire up new business . Small to medium business owners are not rich people . So if anything gap will widen by 10 fold 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ThailandRyan Posted July 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 12, 2020 47 minutes ago, overherebc said: Or some kind of statement only 'saying' it no longer applies so causing mass confusion from embassies and consulates etc. Much like the Initial O-A visa Thai HI starting after October 31st, but still being forced upon those that first entered with a Visa dated prior to the 31st of October in November and so on. Typical left hand never knowing what the right hand is doing except when its in your pocket for money... 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post toofarnorth Posted July 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 12, 2020 36 minutes ago, ChakaKhan said: Man alive! I scrolled down to see that article pic!! Gaaah! Looks like Yoda or the Muppets Doctor..... Hans Moleman takes a bat to the face.......a face only a mother could love, a face for radio maybe.....geez I thought he was wearing camoflaged specs. Not a pretty sight , but yes his mum likely thinks he is cute. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Trillian Posted July 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Fex Bluse said: The Thais are in big trouble. They have been nasty to Westerners in favor of getting their Chinese cousins in to replace us. Now China's economy is going to be destroyed for decades as every country decouples with them. In 5 years, there won't be many Chinese who can afford to travel. Amen An interesting viewpoint, I have to say mine is the complete opposite in every respect. I have to sift through a myriad of reports every month on this subject, written by all manner of organisations, institutes, banks etc and almost to a man they all agree with my views, in truth I developed my views from reading what they've written. If you're looking forward to a Chinese free future and a Thailand that has been repopulated with Western tourists, I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. 3 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pineapple01 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 The Old Chins Gymnasium shut down years ago ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sahibji Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 that is oe serious impact on the tourism industry if one third of the tourism related establishments shut down permanently. the unemployment will go through the roof. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiandrew Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 Its about the same in all countries they are all suffering and will continue until a proven vaccine is release to the masses. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guderian Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 Nong Nooch garden was busy the other day, according to the GF, full of Thai tourists. Wait until tomorrow, when it will be besieged by expats over the age of 60 who qualify for free entry on a Monday, lol. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelepulse Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 1 hour ago, RR2020 said: How is the South Korea 2nd wave ? media was salivating over that recently wanting it to happen.........FAIL How is the Beijing 2nd wave ? media was salivating over that recently wanting it to happen.........FAIL The UK 2nd wave after protests and beaches full ? media was salivating over that recently wanting it to happen.........FAIL Media running out of scare stories ? Now they are trying to hype up a Bollywood actor getting it.........its as if they want him to die to have a headline........... Thailand more people die on one weekend in road accidents than 6 months of Covid-19 ? Cases of Covid rising but deaths going down rapidly ? Now being realised most people have a T-cell response and are asymptomatic ? Only 20% of people who get it may have an Antigen response ? 80% having a T-cell response ? Measuring for IgG or IgM is useless as most people T cell response ? IFR rate projections now pointing to 0.05% to 0.1% (eg same as strong flu) Projections now that 60% or more of the worlds population may already be immune from having a previous coronavirus infection (common cold). Circa 2 million people dying from Tuberculosis every year and nobody cares (and there is a vaccine for it) ? Its a contagious disease - boring though isnt it just 2 million dead every year ? The high early death rates seen was due to incorrect medical treatment ? Using steroids killed people ? Using ventilators killed people ? Now they know how to treat it (no steroids, no ventilators, use blood thinners etc...) death rates becoming very low ? Euromono data how shows fewer people are dying in Europe than normal - gone from excess mortality weekly to now very few people dying weekly ? 2020 if this continues with less deaths than normal now, will see the year as a whole have exactly normal number of deaths same as every year ? EG Covid-19 in 2020 will see no additional deaths than is normal and this scenario is looking very likely now based on the Euromono data coming out. At some point the world is going to realise that, looking back, in hindsight, this virus was nothing much, the media made it into something that it really was not and hundreds of millions of people suffered the consequences of that fear mongering. Tourism in Thailand will die if this stupidity continues, the question is, who opens first wins............ If Thailand opens too late, or with too many restrictions, the losses will be more than other Asian countries and it may take 10 years to recover............. Fear and scare mongers can't go along with facts and reality, so instead focus is now on new cases. I'm still not sure why most governments are going off nursing home deaths from initial deaths that were brought into nursing homes around the world. Italy, Sweden, US etc. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trillian Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, sahibji said: that is oe serious impact on the tourism industry if one third of the tourism related establishments shut down permanently. the unemployment will go through the roof. Large numbers of people employed in the tourism industry are seasonal workers who work in the industry during high season and then return home for the rest of the year, many have other interests such as agricultural holdings that also produce income. Phuket is staffed mainly with seasonal workers, during the low season the island can be quite empty as workers are back home, mostly in Issan. The same is true of other tourist locations, tourism related work is most often not a year round job for many. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pilotman Posted July 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 12, 2020 19 minutes ago, toofarnorth said: I thought he was wearing camoflaged specs. Not a pretty sight , but yes his mum likely thinks he is cute. I thought he had been wacked with a large frying pan. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post realfunster Posted July 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 12, 2020 1 hour ago, BritManToo said: You're assuming significant numbers of foreign tourists will ever be allowed in again. You're assuming there will still be plentiful international flights ever again. Which is a bet I wouldn't spend any money on. I’ll take that bet. I mean come on, yes it’s a serious pandemic but we have experienced worse at least 3 times in the 20th century. Spanish Flu 50 million dead (1918) Asian Flu 2 million dead (1957-58) Hong Kong Flu 1 million dead (1969-70) All of these fatality figures were with global populations 50%+ less than now. Do you truly believe ‘normal’ human existence is irrevocably changed ad infinitum by COVID ? No chance of a vaccine, herd immunity or that it will naturally die out ? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BritManToo Posted July 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 12, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, realfunster said: I’ll take that bet. I mean come on, yes it’s a serious pandemic but we have experienced worse at least 3 times in the 20th century. Spanish Flu 50 million dead (1918) Asian Flu 2 million dead (1957-58) Hong Kong Flu 1 million dead (1969-70) All of these fatality figures were with global populations 50%+ less than now. Do you truly believe ‘normal’ human existence is irrevocably changed ad infinitum by COVID ? No chance of a vaccine, herd immunity or that it will naturally die out ? I don't believe in COVID as a serious world health problem (0.5M dead out of 8B = trivial). All the countries being shut was for an entirely different reason. I don't know what that reason was, but it's probably still there. Now if COVID had killed 1B ................ Black Death killed 50% of the world population. Spanish Flu killed 33% of the world population. COVID killed 0.00625% of the world population. Edited July 12, 2020 by BritManToo 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destiny1990 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 I wonder how a island like Koh Phi Phi is coping at the moment.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Moon6966 Posted July 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 12, 2020 Only 1 3rd.... You being optimistic I try to understand how people pay rent on restaurant hotels resort and many other tourist attractions Who have no customers for so long Keep Thailand closed and go 40 years backwards.... I guess 58 dead people justify total Distraction of the economy and tourist industry.... Good luck... 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bodga Posted July 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 12, 2020 So all these people losing their jobs right, all over Thailand, yet, I still cant find staff that arent either stupid ,lazy or both. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodga Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 5 hours ago, ezzra said: I hope that the tourism related business that uses the ugly and racist double pricing policies will fall and shut down first for good... Never mind that, whats happened to mr saucepan face? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThailandRyan Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 It may become Paradise lost and reclaimed once again and be slower and less fast paced with better services, but then who am I kidding other than myself... I will let you know as I am headed to Cape Panwa to spend 8 days all inclusive at the resort, so I will see if they are starving and try the old upsell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soalbundy Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 5 hours ago, mr mr said: add another third and you will be closer to reality. Yes and change that 600 billion to zero. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave moir Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 5 hours ago, Matzzon said: To judge out of the picture, Mr Chairat looks to be very happy over that result. Exactly, ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post soalbundy Posted July 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 12, 2020 fewer businesses means higher prices. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sjaak327 Posted July 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 12, 2020 4 hours ago, bwpage3 said: Tourists around the globe have lost their jobs and many are on reduced income. Thai officials forget this important fact. Most people around the world won't have the money to travel for at least a year or more even if Thailand is open. That depends, many more have not lost their jobs and were largely uneffected by covid-19. I was going to Thailand during Songkran, and indeed that wasn't possible anymore, so I just stayed home, continued to work, in the hope to be able to go in September or October, but now for an longer period. I am ready, I have the money, and the desire to travel, but.... Thailand as it seems won't have me. Something about a 2 week quarantine, which is unacceptable to me, especially if I already need a covid-19 free certificate. Or if they could test me right off the plane, and have the answer 24 hours later. It is pretty simple, yes there is a pandemic, yes it needs some containement measures, but the way Thailand is going about it, is way too strict, and it will mean people will go elsewhere, and might not return. It is easy for the government to come up with these measures, after all, it is not their job that is on the line, at least not for the immediate future, it will could however have a lasting effect, that is felt years from now. Maybe it is time for them to open up with realistic requirements, and try to resurrect the tourism industry sooner rather than later. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JensenZ Posted July 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 12, 2020 5 hours ago, rooster59 said: considering moving the schedule up to open the country to foreign tourists under a practice similar to the travel bubble scheme; They think that opening up will facilitate an influx of tourists? Where will they come from? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjaak327 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 1 minute ago, JensenZ said: They think that opening up will facilitate an influx of tourists? Where will they come from? Nobody says an influx will come, however logic has it that something is always higher than zero. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post johnray Posted July 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 12, 2020 Most of the big tourism spots are run by rich people. So they should be able to wait it out. The staff will go home. That man's face looks like a pie. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Aussie Col Posted July 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 12, 2020 5 hours ago, Grumpy John said: That's a strong possibility. Maybe even half, but new operators will start new businesses as the situation improves so eventually the serfs will gain employment and all the tubby little Issan girls will be back serving beer...and other things. It wont happen. Tourists from Western countries will find other countries to spend their tourist money and get more value for their money 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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