webfact Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 New COVID-19 infections in Thailand are highly contagious G viral strain – Dr. Yong The coronavirus strain, found among quarantined Thai returnees from abroad, is the mutated G strain, which has been spreading in the United States and Europe. It is not the S strain, which originally spread in Thailand, according to Dr. Yong Poovorawan of Chulalongkorn University, Thailand’s top virologist. He said that, if there is a second wave of infections in Thailand, the G strain virus, or G614, will be dominant, because it is about ten times more contagious than the S strain, originally identified in Asia, but it does not appear to be more deadly. Dr. Yong said that the CCSA has been cooperating closely, with the Institute for Prevention and Control of Urban Diseases, to study infections in state quarantine facilities, so that Thailand will be better prepared in case there is a second outbreak, most likely of the G strain. Full story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/new-covid-19-infections-in-thailand-are-highly-contagious-g-viral-strain-dr-yong/ -- © Copyright Thai PBS 2020-07-13 - Whatever you're going through, the Samaritans are here for you - Follow Thaivisa on LINE for breaking COVID-19 updates 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post spiekerjozef Posted July 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2020 Happy stay in the state quarantine facilities... 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NCC1701A Posted July 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2020 keep the borders closed. good job Thailand. 19 2 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ThailandRyan Posted July 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2020 Stay safe, but travel freely within the borders by doing it wisely. Thai's seem to believe they are living in a bubble without the possibility that the virus is still here and in hiding... 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted July 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2020 This is so insidious. One loose infectious person and we're off to the races. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Anton9 Posted July 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2020 I thought it was the Kebab strain coming from Middle East. 1 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Anton9 Posted July 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Jingthing said: This is so insidious. One loose infectious person and we're off to the races. Yes, we are all going to die with a rate of asymptomatics of 80%. Edited July 13, 2020 by Anton9 3 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenterry Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 With a 100% certainty that would happen as soon as there are land, air, and sea border relaxations. However, Thailand, with almost probably a very low (acknowledged) infection rate, if at all, has a better chance of containing a future out break to within reasonable numbers. And as the mutated strain - at the moment - is apparently quantified as no less deadly, not only death rates in Thailand would be low, but more survivors would become immune - which is the next best outcome to a vaccine. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stephenterry Posted July 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Anton9 said: Yes, we are all going to die with a rate of asymptomtic of 80%. A possible 20% risk of death is still serious enough to avoid at all costs. A family of five, if all affected, would lose one of their nearest and dearest - an occurrence I wouldn't be flippant about. 2 6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post spiekerjozef Posted July 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, stephenterry said: more survivors would become immune - which is the next best outcome to a vaccine. That is the US strategy, infect everybody. And they are doing a stunning job to achieve that. Downside: you might lose a few.... Edited July 13, 2020 by spiekerjozef 6 1 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Anton9 Posted July 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, stephenterry said: A possible 20% risk of death is still serious enough to avoid at all costs. A family of five, if all affected, would lose one of their nearest and dearest - an occurrence I wouldn't be flippant about. 80% are TOTALLY asymptomatic 20% of people might just have just a sore throat 20% risk of death?Maybe you are watching too much CNN Edited July 13, 2020 by Anton9 17 1 10 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ExpatOilWorker Posted July 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2020 Herd Immunity May Be Closer Than You Think https://www.wsj.com/articles/herd-immunity-may-be-closer-than-you-think-11594076237 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted July 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2020 16 minutes ago, Anton9 said: Yes, we are all going to die with a rate of asymptomatics of 80%. Its estimated that 45% of cases are asymptomatic for the entire duration of infection. 35% have mild symptoms, 15% are severe infection, requiring oxygen and 5% are critical infections, requiring ventilation. Mild symptoms can still make you extremely sick with long term health problems. 4 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anton9 Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Its estimated that 45% of cases are asymptomatic for the entire duration of infection. 35% have mild symptoms, 15% are severe infection, requiring oxygen and 5% are critical infections, requiring ventilation. Mild symptoms can still make you extremely sick with long term health problems. https://time.com/5842669/coronavirus-asymptomatic-transmission/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post spidermike007 Posted July 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2020 Endless panic mongering. No new cases amongst the population in 43 days. All new cases directly into quarantine. Yet, many cling to fear and thoughts of the coming Zombie apocalypse. Sad, really. Embrace the safe zone we have here. After all, how many of your friends and family here are keeling over from Covid? Zero! A little common sense goes a long way. 16 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paiman Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Anxiety will kill them all. Not me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, Anton9 said: https://time.com/5842669/coronavirus-asymptomatic-transmission/ Not disputing the findings from that but one study from a ship does not make it a worldwide statistic. "It’s difficult to extrapolate the results to larger populations" I was quoting figures from WHO. Its not clear yet but to say 80% of people have no symptoms whatsoever is pushing it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 1 hour ago, webfact said: The coronavirus strain, found among quarantined Thai returnees from abroad, is the mutated G strain, which has been spreading in the United States and Europe. It is not the S strain, which originally spread in Thailand, according to Dr. Yong Poovorawan of Chulalongkorn University, Thailand’s top virologist. He said that, if there is a second wave of infections in Thailand, the G strain virus, or G614, will be dominant, because it is about ten times more contagious than the S strain, originally identified in Asia, but it does not appear to be more deadly. Maybe he should also have mentioned that he was getting this information from this peer reviewed study. Tracking changes in SARS-CoV-2 Spike: evidence that D614G increases infectivity of the COVID-19 virus https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(20)30820-5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jojothai Posted July 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2020 49 minutes ago, Anton9 said: 80% are TOTALLY asymptomatic 20% of people might just have just a sore throat 20% risk of death?Maybe you are watching too much CNN https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html Update on figures using new guidance by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. CDC mean estimate is that 40% of people infected with COVID-19 are asymptomatic and the chance of transmission from people with no symptoms is 75%. In updated guidance on 10 July , the CDC gave its "current best estimate" based on data from late last month for people infected with COVID-19 who are asymptomatic raised to 40% from 35%. The CDC previously estimated that the chance of transmission of the virus from asymptomatic people was 100%. Now it is reduced to 75%. Under the new figures, the CDC estimated that 0.65% of people infected with Covid-19 are forecasted to die. If 40% of people infected are asymptomatic, then that would make the number infected 1.67 times the reported cases. If CDC chances of dying are 0.65% for high infection rates such as the USA with the infection rate adjusted to say 1.67 x 1%, the chances of dying would be about 0.01% or 1 in 10,000 and in countries with 0.1% reported infections , its 1 in 100,000. Thailand reported cases is much lower, if we can believe it . However, even at 1 in 100,000 that would be 700 people for Thailand's population approx 70million. Compare that to how many people die in traffic accidents here every year . There has been almost 8000 deaths this year already. That could be seen as at least ten times more chance of getting killed on the road here. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post charmonman Posted July 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2020 47 minutes ago, Anton9 said: 80% are TOTALLY asymptomatic 20% of people might just have just a sore throat 20% risk of death?Maybe you are watching too much CNN It is more like a 2-5 % risk of death which is still pretty frightening. Another 10-15 % end up very sick for weeks or months with possible lung and other organ damage. Not good. I find some people are exaggerating this risk somewhat while others are burying their head in the sand. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtco Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 2 hours ago, webfact said: mutated G strain Or would that be the G string? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post morrobay Posted July 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2020 https://www.scripps.edu/news-and-events/press-room/2020/20200611-choe-farzan-sars-cov-2-spike-protein.html This is the D614G (random) mutation: A gene codon for aspartic acid (D) was replaced for a codon for glycine (G) Since this altered the secondary protein structure* in a way that increased the virus spike protein binding sites to the host target receptor, ACE2 it increases infectivity. However intra host viral replication is decreased. So less serious cases but more of them. Again a textbook case of natural selection : greater host to host transmission but less deadly . If host dies so does virus. *Primary protein structure is amino acid sequence in protein chain. 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JusticeGB Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, rtco said: Or would that be the G string? Obviously that's why going to agogos is so dangerous the G strings! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DrTuner Posted July 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2020 Thank you for that, I will take this as confirmed then.. The piece of the puzzle I haven't been able to fit is why did Thailand have excess deaths as early as May 2019. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saltire Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Well this is a bit worrying .......... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NB1986 Posted July 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2020 (edited) Indeed the G strain is more contagious but less lethal than S strain, and this virologist should also explain people that if virus mutates and spread faster is less lethal, the first wave the S strain was less contagious but more lethal in the end it will be just like an ordinary flu which also kills yearly up to 650.000 people. We have to accept that virus will stay here but it will be less lethal also because of more people will create antibodies. Is definetely not good to scaring off people with such facts and say that virus is more contagious but not say fact that is less lethal. Edited July 13, 2020 by NB1986 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bender Rodriguez Posted July 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2020 1 hour ago, spidermike007 said: Endless panic mongering. No new cases amongst the population in 43 days. All new cases directly into quarantine. Yet, many cling to fear and thoughts of the coming Zombie apocalypse. Sad, really. Embrace the safe zone we have here. After all, how many of your friends and family here are keeling over from Covid? Zero! A little common sense goes a long way. and some people in "power" here over react even worse when you try to tell your point of view 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 27 minutes ago, NB1986 said: Indeed the G strain is more contagious but less lethal than S strain, and this virologist should also explain people that if virus mutates and spread faster is less lethal, the first wave the S strain was less contagious but more lethal in the end it will be just like an ordinary flu which also kills yearly up to 650.000 people. We have to accept that virus will stay here but it will be less lethal also because of more people will create antibodies. Is definetely not good to scaring off people with such facts and say that virus is more contagious but not say fact that is less lethal. Its reported that the G strain is more infectious yes, by around 10 times, but I've found no study claiming it to be less lethal? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post yuyiinthesky Posted July 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2020 (edited) To my astonishment I have not found that any scientist has isolated the SARS-CoV-2 Virus yet. All this panic caused by PCR tests which nobody can really say what they test for. As in the PCR test patented by Germany‘s Drosten, based on RNA fragments found in the lungs of 4 early Chinese patients, maybe a virus, maybe whatever. Not tested against the virus, as it was never isolated. No Gold-Standard. This is not science, this is gambling. Which tests are used? Are they validated? You think so? Well sorry, they are not. No isolated Virus, no virus confirmed by the main criteria, Koch's postulates. Validation thus impossible, not even attempted. But be scared. Shut down. Stay home. After all it was in the news, it must be true. Edited July 13, 2020 by yuyiinthesky 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchuetzRob Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Anton9 said: Yes, we are all going to die with a rate of asymptomatics of 80%. ....and life for 100% of us will end with death, covid or no covid. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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