Trump says Confederate flag proud symbol of U.S. South

[mtls2005 16,599]

14 minutes ago, evadgib said:

This nonsense, along with changing fort names to purge the names of civil war generals on the losing side should be left alone. Pandering to the mob will only encourage more of the same.

 

By "pandering to the mob" you mean the U.S. Military, right?

 

 

[rupert the bear 1,029]

its part of the history and past,you cant just delete history and heritage,some say traitors well they said that of the first rebellion the successful one.many in the south thought they were fighting the same fight,they saw the north as the oppressor.you cant put 2020s leftist ideology into the 1860s thats just plain dumb,consider what the heroes of the north did when it was over-grant sheridan[he who said only good injuns a dead injun fame],custer died on his bid for the white house!thats history too.a dark bloody story of land grabs and genocide,but they were the good guys!

[edwinchester 8,554]

1 hour ago, Boon Mee said:

 Don't forget having Daisy by your side too! 555 

Nah, he seems the Boss Hogg type to me.

[Eric Loh 20,683]

That’s an admission of the racist attitude of Trump as far as poll on confederate flag is concerned. Even a majority of Southerners consider the confederate flag a symbol of racism rather than a token of “southern pride” according to a new poll as recent as 16 July. Trump has literally signed off his election chances with his recalcitrant racist alignment. 

[cantata 165]

34 minutes ago, rupert the bear said:

its part of the history and past,you cant just delete history and heritage,some say traitors well they said that of the first rebellion the successful one.many in the south thought they were fighting the same fight,they saw the north as the oppressor.you cant put 2020s leftist ideology into the 1860s thats just plain dumb,consider what the heroes of the north did when it was over-grant sheridan[he who said only good injuns a dead injun fame],custer died on his bid for the white house!thats history too.a dark bloody story of land grabs and genocide,but they were the good guys!

You may not be able to apply leftist ideology to the 1860's but you can certainly apply abolitionist ideology.

[evadgib 17,470]

1 hour ago, mtls2005 said:

By "pandering to the mob" you mean the U.S. Military, right?

No, I assumed everyone would know full well what I meant.

[bendejo 7,809]

DT seems to have just learned Lincoln was a Republican.  Maybe he thought "the party of Lincoln" was the GOP lodge in Lincoln, Nebraska.  He should offer to build monuments to Abraham Lincoln  in all the Dixie locations where the Confederate monuments have been torn down.  I'm sure those white folks down there would appreciate the gesture.

 

 

[Thomas J 2,379]

Funny how the Confederate Flag that stood for the Southern States is a symbol of racism even though the Civil War was over states rights and tariffs not slavery but the flag below somehow does not stand for racial preference and racism. 

[Proboscis 2,441]

3 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Always wanted a '69 Charger in bright orange with a confederate flag on the roof. Can just imagine blasting down the dusty Tennessee back country roads, maybe hop a creek or 2, even a few yeehaws for good measure. Good to know Trump approves!

 If any flag should be banned, and the idea is ridiculous, it should be the hammer and sickle flag. You know the symbol of strict leftism that killed millions. But they are not going to like that! 

A little history lesson, my dear TopDeadSenter.

 

We all know that the Swastika was the symbol and flag of the Nazi party, an extremist right wing party that ran Germany for a while and were responsible for killing millions. But we also know that the Hammer and Sickle was the symbol of the Communist Party in the Soviet Union - they too, under Stalin, killing millions and were extremist in their views.

 

Somewhere nearer the centre is everyone else. Left wing parties in normal democracies tend to want greater government involvement in the economy while right wing governments do not (although in the UK, that distinction seems to have disappeared under Covid-19!).

 

Now your confederate flag is a throwback from history. It repents a regime that has long ceased to exist that thought it was right and proper to enslave all those with black skin. Extremist in my book with nothing to celebrate. Lets consign that flag, along with the Swastika and the Hammer and Sickle to the dustbin of history.

[Dumbastheycome 5,701]

I think maybe it's  time to  abandon "colour" in all things!

 Present the  world in sepia  toning only  and encourage a  global flag with a  single  big ? on it !

[kensawadee 279]

I grew up with the "Conferate Flag'..... IT IS MY HISTORY.... I'm 80 years old and white..... Although I love my past and statues of Robert E. Lee and Christopher Columbus and confererate Generals..... THEY ARE HISTORY..... And what a 'lousy bunch' are now trying to destroy them..... AND..... MOST OF ALL.... I love America... I love the red white and blue..... AND I 'Challenge' any who don't love 'it'.......... TO LEAVE IT.....       stop ALL THE DISRUPTIVE PROTESTS, and try to blend in.... Work a little and make something of youselves BEFOREYOU WANT OR EXPECT 'OUR' RESPECT..... Screw black lives matter (admittedly COMMUNIST backed)..... My life matters..... Your life matters...... and it is not about the color of your skin -- BUT it may have something to do whether you wear your pants below your 'crotch or up around your waist....

 

[EVENKEEL 5,856]

2 hours ago, stevenl said:

Everywhere a symbol of right wing, even neo Nazis, extremism.

Did you read before posting?

Unlike you perhaps I don't necessarily have an agenda, Simply said it was interesting.

[cardinalblue 3,344]

Why Trump supports the C flag because if given the chance, he would support segregation and slavery...

 

while I don’t completely support the removal of all confederate statues, I do see how they reinforce the beliefs and values of uneducated southerners   and northerners (38 states have statues) who refuse to let go of the past...

 

I just don’t think their removal will change the current thinking of white nationalists...the issue is much bigger than the presence of physical objects....

 

I heard a statement the other day which I cannot disagree with...the south lost the war but won the peace...most of the statues were erected not after the war but during the Crow years and 1900s civil right movements...it’s all about identity and a threat to one’s belief system and the refusal to let go of social inequality.

Edited July 20, 2020 by cardinalblue

[Chomper Higgot 37,062]

2 minutes ago, kensawadee said:

I grew up with the "Conferate Flag'..... IT IS MY HISTORY.... I'm 80 years old and white..... Although I love my past and statues of Robert E. Lee and Christopher Columbus and confererate Generals..... THEY ARE HISTORY..... And what a 'lousy bunch' are now trying to destroy them..... AND..... MOST OF ALL.... I love America... I love the red white and blue..... AND I 'Challenge' any who don't love 'it'.......... TO LEAVE IT.....       stop ALL THE DISRUPTIVE PROTESTS, and try to blend in.... Work a little and make something of youselves BEFOREYOU WANT OR EXPECT 'OUR' RESPECT..... Screw black lives matter (admittedly COMMUNIST backed)..... My life matters..... Your life matters...... and it is not about the color of your skin -- BUT it may have something to do whether you wear your pants below your 'crotch or up around your waist....

 

Though clearly not much time for the First Amendment.

[Chomper Higgot 37,062]

5 minutes ago, cardinalblue said:

Why Trump supports the C flag because if given the chance, he would support segregation and slavery...

 

while I don’t completely support the removal of all confederate statues, I do see how they reinforce the beliefs and values of uneducated southerners   and northerners (48 states have statues) who refuse to let go of the past...

 

I just don’t think their removal will change the current thinking of white nationalists...the issue is much bigger than the presence of physical objects....

Two things.

 

I don’t believe Trump has any real views on slavery, he just sees the divisive nature of this history and acts to increase the divisions.

 

Most, if not all of the statues were erected decades after the end of the civil war and the absolute defeat of the Confederacy, the statues themselves are a revision and misrepresentation of history.