smedly Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 I understand it is illegal to charge above Government rate My Condo is charging Gov Electricity rate but water is 3x the government rate which is a lot what options Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bkk6060 Posted July 20, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 20, 2020 Could be a meter issue. Contact the Jurassic office and inquire. Or maybe go to the next condo resident meeting. I think it is not that uncommon for them to charge more but 3 x's seems excessive. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Hna Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Pack your bags. New digs mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post baansgr Posted July 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 21, 2020 Its not illegal. You are buying water from the condominium, not from the water authority. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stephenterry Posted July 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 21, 2020 Yeah, it's just another greedy scam that I've twice previously encountered. What is more of concern is it might not be the only money-maker a corrupt condo manager is running. That's also happened to me. The guy just took off with all the dosh intended for renovations/lift repairs etc. And the staff knew he was scalping the fees for years and ignored it because only foreigners were affected... However, whatever 3 x water rate is, it's not a financial burden, is it - unless you've got a swimming pool or running a laundry business in/from your apartment? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 I pay around 120 bt per month.. so if that was 3 times higher id still lauhg. Are you sure its only 3 times higher ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted July 21, 2020 Author Share Posted July 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, robblok said: I pay around 120 bt per month.. so if that was 3 times higher id still lauhg. Are you sure its only 3 times higher ? sounds like you are paying water authority rate - my bill is averaging 400-500baht a month when it should be similar to yours 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted July 21, 2020 Author Share Posted July 21, 2020 18 minutes ago, stephenterry said: However, whatever 3 x water rate is, it's not a financial burden it's the principal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, smedly said: sounds like you are paying water authority rate - my bill is averaging 400-500baht a month when it should be similar to yours I live in a house so yes im paying straight to the water authority rate. So i see its a matter of principle as 300-400 baht more then what im paying is not that much. I wonder if you can sort it out and if you can thenmaybe they increase the rent. You never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted July 21, 2020 Author Share Posted July 21, 2020 41 minutes ago, baansgr said: Its not illegal. You are buying water from the condominium, not from the water authority. wrong, I have a water meter just as I have for electricity it is illegal to charge more - go look it up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenterry Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, smedly said: it's the principal Agree. My house and garden uses water and electricity to excess, IMO, courtesy of her indoors, but my current water monthly bill is always c.100 baht - for the last three months or so, the water authority are subbing their costs - as does the electric company - and last month's water bill was c.80 baht - and electric c.700 baht. Condo management fees are a potential rip off system, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaidDown Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Does your meter belong to the MWA/PWA or does it belong to the building and there is a single MWA/PWA meter that serves the whole building for billing purposes? If the latter then the price per unit will be higher than for a single residential building. As for 'government rate' there are several. If the landlord has more than 5 properties for rent then he can charge the amount that he pays for the water plus 5 (or 10) %. How much per unit (cu meter) are you actually paying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baansgr Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 18 minutes ago, smedly said: wrong, I have a water meter just as I have for electricity it is illegal to charge more - go look it up Does the water authority read the meter, or the condominium? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted July 21, 2020 Author Share Posted July 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, ThaidDown said: Does your meter belong to the MWA/PWA or does it belong to the building and there is a single MWA/PWA meter that serves the whole building for billing purposes? If the latter then the price per unit will be higher than for a single residential building. As for 'government rate' there are several. If the landlord has more than 5 properties for rent then he can charge the amount that he pays for the water plus 5 (or 10) %. How much per unit (cu meter) are you actually paying? I need to check this I pay 49baht a unit - it should be around 10-15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted July 21, 2020 Author Share Posted July 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, baansgr said: Does the water authority read the meter, or the condominium? I believe the condo reads the meter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2 is 1 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, smedly said: I believe the condo reads the meter Have you see normal bill from water conpany? Say owner you want haddle your self! Now qr code working from that bill(not before). Or can go pay in 7 11. They take little for that. Watch where water conpany leave bills. Normaly in mail box or same place where coming electric bill. Edited July 21, 2020 by 2 is 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
innosiem Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 have you spoken with any of your neighbours to confirm everyone is the same? (check with Thai owned condos too, to rule out dual pricing) whatever action you take, there is strength in numbers i must be lucky, as i don't have water bills for my 2 condos i assume it is covered in maintenance (electric is gov bill) have you checked there is no communal water charge ? or does your bill state a high fee per unit ? is the condo in a company name ? (as commercial rates may then apply) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lopburi3 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 (edited) How could we expect to pay meter rate if this is a high rise condo? Water pressure would not get it to your tap if above second floor. Condo must pump and store, even if source is public water supply. It has to be more. That said there is correctly a large COVID-19 reduction from MWA making total cost per unit only a bit over 7 baht from normal 10 or so. Edited July 21, 2020 by lopburi3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2 is 1 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, lopburi3 said: How could we expect to pay meter rate if this is a high rise condo? Water pressure would not get it to your tap if above second floor. Condo much pump and store, even if source is public water supply. It has to be more. That said there is correctly a large COVID-19 reduction from MWA making total cost per unit only a bit over 7 baht from normal 10 or so. Im just idiot Isaan area man i don't get that kind things lol. But should say in rental papers for every extra charge. What be included in rental "price". Or maintanance fee. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 I often rent, if not via Airbnb ( I only rent all inclusive via them ) I insist my contract stipulate the guarantee amount, cost of 1 unit electricity, water, cost of internet, cable TV, cleaning service...( usually when I rent a Condotel ). So no surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pravda Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 1 hour ago, smedly said: it's the principal How much is the principal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGSan Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 4 hours ago, bkk6060 said: Contact the Jurassic office and inquire. But surely they are all dinosores there? ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delight Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 One has to look at the total cost. This comprises the money paid out by the condo to government water supplier. The cost to pump the water from ground level to high level. This has to include the cost of replacement pumps. The cost to pump from high level to your room . Again including pumps repairs etc. Typically co -owners are not interested in the taking the full view of costs. They prefer to stick to their narrow selfish position. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baansgr Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 3 hours ago, smedly said: I believe the condo reads the meter I think you may find this is legal. If government water is cut off, the condo will ship in water at no extra cost....As you know government water is only 15 baht, and yours at 49 is expensive, mine was 40 when I owned my condo..just one of those things and yes it's the principal regardless if 10 baht or 1,000 baht extra... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukKrueng Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 9 hours ago, smedly said: I understand it is illegal to charge above Government rate My Condo is charging Gov Electricity rate but water is 3x the government rate which is a lot The water authority bring the water to the entrance of the property. From there to the room it's the building's system: storage tanks on the roof, pumps, pipes to the units. So all condo buildings charge higher rate than the city's rate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotssing Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Being on a condo committee I reckon half the time we make a loss on the water as there are frequent water outages and we have to buy at some expense water from water trucks. The water board charges us for the water through their meter. The water then goes to the pool, the gardens, the common facilities and the co-owners. I am pretty sure the co-owners meters are not owned by the water board, but I am not sure whether the individuals own them or the Condo. If the condo we would have to replace them if they malfunctioned. Once a year we have to clean out the tanks both underground and in the roof. A member of our staff has to go round reading the meters and preparing the bills so all in all not like a house where you get the water direct from the water board and no other expense. The fee we charge for water I am told cannot be changed by the committee but only by a General Meeting of the co-owners. The excess of the rate over the water board must vary from condo to condo but I know if we tried to raise it there would be a riot from the co-owners so as I said at the beginning we possibly make a loss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairynuff Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 I remember being told a long time ago that the cheapest rate is applied to houses, and that condos are charged the same rate as hotels which is a higher rate. I’ve no idea if was correct information or not. I currently pay around 100/month so it really couldn’t be much cheaper whatever the unit rate is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted July 21, 2020 Author Share Posted July 21, 2020 44 minutes ago, Scotssing said: Being on a condo committee I reckon half the time we make a loss on the water as there are frequent water outages and we have to buy at some expense water from water trucks. The water board charges us for the water through their meter. The water then goes to the pool, the gardens, the common facilities and the co-owners. I am pretty sure the co-owners meters are not owned by the water board, but I am not sure whether the individuals own them or the Condo. If the condo we would have to replace them if they malfunctioned. Once a year we have to clean out the tanks both underground and in the roof. A member of our staff has to go round reading the meters and preparing the bills so all in all not like a house where you get the water direct from the water board and no other expense. The fee we charge for water I am told cannot be changed by the committee but only by a General Meeting of the co-owners. The excess of the rate over the water board must vary from condo to condo but I know if we tried to raise it there would be a riot from the co-owners so as I said at the beginning we possibly make a loss interesting, surely some of what you mention should come from the maintenance budget 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwill Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 6 hours ago, smedly said: I need to check this I pay 49baht a unit - it should be around 10-15 Government water starts at 10B/unit and scales up with usage. My last water bill, for our house, 27 units usage came out to about 13.7B/unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy102uk Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Many condos recoup the cost of all communal water use through the individual condo water meter charge. The alternative is to increase the maintenance charge which can be difficult. Seems reasonable for residents to pay for all the water. Doesn't really matter as it has to be paid for one way or other. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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