Britain nears abandoning Brexit trade deal hope - The Telegraph

[evadgib]

1 hour ago, ukrules said:

Here we are a few weeks later, many things have changed.

 

 

 

 

Source : https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/asylum-seekers-uk-home-office-deport-flights-immigration-a9676461.html

 

It begins...the gloves are off, this is just the beginning. They're all going back.

Not under this govt. They couldn't organise a pissup in a brewery if they were locked in!

[Rimmer]

Baiting post removed

[nauseus]

5 hours ago, simple1 said:

Why?

Multiple choices. One of them has a good chance of being close to right, I suppose.

[nauseus]

On 8/14/2020 at 4:16 AM, torturedsole said:

I'm fond of the fashion and style of the 60s and 70s as I lived it.  Not something I would want to go back to but my top cheesy 70s items of clothing were my Birmingham Bags and knitted tank tops, adorned with shoulder-length hair.  

How much did the extra hair cost?

 

 

[7by7]

15 hours ago, nauseus said:

The actual contents are ridiculous. 

 

10 hours ago, simple1 said:

Why?

5 hours ago, nauseus said:

Multiple choices.

Well done on spotting that; despite the sub editor hiding the fact behind the words "10 options to ponder" in the headline. No fooling you!

 

5 hours ago, nauseus said:

One of them has a good chance of being close to right, I suppose.

If not one of these options, what do you suggest?

 

Do you really still believe that the Brexit promised by Cummings 4 years ago, the one where we ditch all the responsibilities of membership yet keep all the benefits, was ever a real possibility?

[transam]

8 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

Well done on spotting that; despite the sub editor hiding the fact behind the words "10 options to ponder" in the headline. No fooling you!

 

If not one of these options, what do you suggest?

 

Do you really still believe that the Brexit promised by Cummings 4 years ago, the one where we ditch all the responsibilities of membership yet keep all the benefits, was ever a real possibility?

Can you give a link to that Cummings promise......?

[7by7]

28 minutes ago, transam said:

Can you give a link to that Cummings promise......?

Cummings was the de facto boss of Vote.Leave.

 

Look through their campaign literature, press releases etc. and you'll find plenty of promises that the EU would be falling over themselves to let us to keep access to the customs union and single market after we'd left.

 

Although, prominent politicians from Vote.Leave, including Johnson, have since tried to deny that they said any such thing! What Vote Leave leaders really said about no-deal Brexit.

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Johnson told the Treasury select committee in March 2016: “Our relationship with the EU is already very well developed. It doesn’t seem to me to be very hard … to do a free trade deal very rapidly indeed.”

 

[transam]

1 minute ago, 7by7 said:

Cummings was the de facto boss of Vote.Leave.

 

Look through their campaign literature, press releases etc. and you'll find plenty of promises that the EU would be falling over themselves to let us to keep access to the customs union and single market after we'd left.

 

Although, prominent politicians from Vote.Leave, including Johnson, have since tried to deny that they said any such thing! What Vote Leave leaders really said about no-deal Brexit.

 

Are you now saying Cummings did not make promises that we can have a link too...?

[7by7]

12 minutes ago, transam said:

Are you now saying Cummings did not make promises that we can have a link too...?

No; as my post and the links therein make clear.

[simple1]

3 minutes ago, transam said:

Are you now saying Cummings did not make promises that we can have a link too...?

Remember a Cummings creation? - Brexit would allow an extra £350m a week to be spent on the NHS

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, 7by7 said:

 

Well done on spotting that; despite the sub editor hiding the fact behind the words "10 options to ponder" in the headline. No fooling you!

 

If not one of these options, what do you suggest?

 

Do you really still believe that the Brexit promised by Cummings 4 years ago, the one where we ditch all the responsibilities of membership yet keep all the benefits, was ever a real possibility?

Still? I never believed that, or anything like that, and I would say that the large majority of leave voters didn't either. 

[nauseus]

36 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Remember a Cummings creation? - Brexit would allow an extra £350m a week to be spent on the NHS

After all these years they still misquote.

[nauseus]

56 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

Cummings was the de facto boss of Vote.Leave.

 

Look through their campaign literature, press releases etc. and you'll find plenty of promises that the EU would be falling over themselves to let us to keep access to the customs union and single market after we'd left.

 

Although, prominent politicians from Vote.Leave, including Johnson, have since tried to deny that they said any such thing! What Vote Leave leaders really said about no-deal Brexit.

 

It shouldn’t be very hard to do a free trade deal very rapidly. Boris just forgot who he has to deal with, that's all. 

[simple1]

54 minutes ago, nauseus said:

After all these years they still misquote.

OK - to be accurate...

 

We send the EU £350 million a week - let's fund the NHS instead - vote leave

 

message is unequivable.

Edited August 20, 2020 by simple1

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

OK - to be accurate...

 

We send the EU £350 million a week - let's fund the NHS instead - vote leave

 

message is unequivable.

I have to suppose that you mean unequivocable.

 

However the message here is clearly a suggestion, not a promise.

[sanuk711]

.Brexit negotiations continue this morning

 

[bannork]

57 minutes ago, nauseus said:

I have to suppose that you mean unequivocable.

 

However the message here is clearly a suggestion, not a promise.

Unequivocal. We leave the EU with no pain, only gain, was the message.

Nonsense, as the turkeys are starting to realize. 

 

 

[david555]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/aug/20/eu-rejects-british-plan-for-post-brexit-return-of-asylum-seekers

…."When the Brexit transition period expires on 31 December, the government will lose the right to transfer refugees and migrants to the EU country in which they arrived, a cornerstone of the European asylum system known as the Dublin regulation."....
 

[7by7]

4 hours ago, nauseus said:

Still? I never believed that, or anything like that, and I would say that the large majority of leave voters didn't either. 

So you never believed that the UK could leave the EU but remain in the single market and customs union?

 

4 hours ago, nauseus said:

It shouldn’t be very hard to do a free trade deal very rapidly. Boris just forgot who he has to deal with, that's all. 

 

Remember that we would have left the EU with the type of deal you seem to want over a year ago had Johnson, Rees-Mogg and the ERG not put personal ambition before country.

 

Now Johnson supporters are shocked that the EU have said "You could have had that deal, but you rejected it!" and blaming the EU!

 

 

Edited August 20, 2020 by 7by7
typos

[7by7]

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

I have to suppose that you mean unequivocable.

 

However the message here is clearly a suggestion, not a promise.

Whether

 

was a promise or a suggestion; it was based upon a lie.

 

We do not, did not and never have sent £350 million a week to the EU.

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, bannork said:

Unequivocal. We leave the EU with no pain, only gain, was the message.

Nonsense, as the turkeys are starting to realize. 

 

 

Ah! The cryptic message? For some.

[nauseus]

38 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

Whether

 

was a promise or a suggestion; it was based upon a lie.

 

We do not, did not and never have sent £350 million a week to the EU.

I was not referring to the cash amount. I was referring to the 'promise'. 

[simple1]

6 hours ago, nauseus said:

I was not referring to the cash amount. I was referring to the 'promise'. 

Farage style spin - the messaging was unequivocal.

[transam]

13 hours ago, 7by7 said:

No; as my post and the links therein make clear.

So he didn't, you are twisting stuff again 'assuming'.

Do you write for the Independent...? ????

[simple1]

11 minutes ago, transam said:

So he didn't, you are twisting stuff again 'assuming'.

Do you write for the Independent...? ????

 

It would be interesting if there was a fact check process to ascertain how many leave voters interpreted messaging as a policy commitment as opposed to 'promises'. have a read of the article below, please no 'lefty' media deflection, but a reasoned response if you wish to reply.

 

The Vote Leave campaign made at least three key promises that were the basis of their victory. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/27/eu-referendum-reality-check-leave-campaign-promises

Edited August 21, 2020 by simple1

[paddypower]

12 hours ago, nauseus said:

Still? I never believed that, or anything like that, and I would say that the large majority of leave voters didn't either. 

Many of your Brexit group's arguments insist that the other side of the debate 'provide your source'. SO: what is your source for such a silly opinion (that the large majority of leave voters did not believe all the <deleted> shovelled at them by Cummings et al). Lefty source (Horrors!)  <https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2018/mar/28/11-brexit-promises-leavers-quietly-dropped>. Brooklyn Bridge, anyone??

[paddypower]

11 hours ago, nauseus said:

I have to suppose that you mean unequivocable.

 

However the message here is clearly a suggestion, not a promise.

suggested name for a rock band ''Split Hairs''.

[paddypower]

11 hours ago, nauseus said:

I have to suppose that you mean unequivocable.

 

However the message here is clearly a suggestion, not a promise.

News Flash: Boris promises a 2nd referendum, with a clear voting choice: 'Let's leave the EU, maybe? Not promising you anything. What do you think?'

[transam]

17 minutes ago, simple1 said:

It would be interesting if there was a fact check process to ascertain how many leave voters interpreted messaging as a policy commitment as opposed to 'promises'. have a read of the article below, please no 'lefty' media deflection, but a reasoned response if you wish to reply.

 

The Vote Leave campaign made at least three key promises that were the basis of their victory. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/27/eu-referendum-reality-check-leave-campaign-promises

Would be great if you and others did not post links from The Guardian or The Independent, as we all know they are anti everything rags.

 

But, you still don't get it, the vote was to move away from the obvious future United States of Germany, that's it, we have, new road ahead, get over it, with your continuing BS that does nothing for me or most who are now free.

 

Ahyhooo, you should concentrate on helping Romania out with modernising a local railway... ????

 

 

[Loiner]

9 hours ago, 7by7 said:

Whether

 

was a promise or a suggestion; it was based upon a lie.

 

We do not, did not and never have sent £350 million a week to the EU.

Whey, Remainers twisting their knickers again about something on the side of a bus. 

If you looked closely you would have found that it had “India” on its tyres too, but it was not bloody going there.