Britain nears abandoning Brexit trade deal hope - The Telegraph

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, simple1 said:

Farage style spin - the messaging was unequivocal.

in the canyons of your mind...

[simple1]

11 minutes ago, transam said:

Would be great if you and others did not post links from The Guardian or The Independent, as we all know they are anti everything rags. <SNIP>

Oh well at least I tried to get a reasonable reply..."please no 'lefty' media deflection, but a reasoned response if you wish to reply".

Edited August 21, 2020 by simple1

[nauseus]

38 minutes ago, simple1 said:

It would be interesting if there was a fact check process to ascertain how many leave voters interpreted messaging as a policy commitment as opposed to 'promises'. have a read of the article below, please no 'lefty' media deflection, but a reasoned response if you wish to reply.

 

The Vote Leave campaign made at least three key promises that were the basis of their victory. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/27/eu-referendum-reality-check-leave-campaign-promises

These aren't policy commitments or 'promises'. Typical Guardianista waffle. 

[nauseus]

9 hours ago, 7by7 said:

So you never believed that the UK could leave the EU but remain in the single market and customs union?

 

 

Remember that we would have left the EU with the type of deal you seem to want over a year ago had Johnson, Rees-Mogg and the ERG not put personal ambition before country.

 

Now Johnson supporters are shocked that the EU have said "You could have had that deal, but you rejected it!" and blaming the EU!

 

 

You are twisting again. Shall I turn the music up?

[transam]

6 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Oh well at least I tried to get a reasonable reply..."please no 'lefty' media deflection, but a reasoned response if you wish to reply".

You don't like replies to the obvious, that's OK, I read so much twisting and digging from you losers (lost the Brexit vote) that you shouldn't be bothered about my replies, but you are because you cannot help yourselves....????............But all good fun, eh...????

[nauseus]

42 minutes ago, paddypower said:

Many of your Brexit group's arguments insist that the other side of the debate 'provide your source'. SO: what is your source for such a silly opinion (that the large majority of leave voters did not believe all the <deleted> shovelled at them by Cummings et al). Lefty source (Horrors!)  <https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2018/mar/28/11-brexit-promises-leavers-quietly-dropped>. Brooklyn Bridge, anyone??

This a forum. This is my personal opinion, so obviously I am both the source and the link. You think it's silly and I think you read silly newspapers. Ya boo.  

[transam]

6 minutes ago, nauseus said:

You are twisting again. Shall I turn the music up?

 

[stevenl]

11 minutes ago, nauseus said:

These aren't policy commitments or 'promises'. Typical Guardianista waffle. 

Of course they were promises. You're simply denying because they can't be met, were never intended to be met, simply empty promises.

 

Agree with you it was waffle, but not guardanista waffle, brexit waffle with promises made by Johnson, Farage and brexit campaign chair.

Edited August 21, 2020 by stevenl

[welovesundaysatspace]

2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

This a forum. This is my personal opinion, so obviously I am both the source and the link. 

Ideally an opinion is based on facts which can be proven by providing a credible source. Otherwise it’s more a fantasy than an opinion. 
 

[nauseus]

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

Of course they were promises. You're simply denying because they can't be met, were never intended to be met, simply empty promises 

You believe that, I don't. 

[nauseus]

4 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Ideally an opinion is based on facts which can be proven by providing a credible source. Otherwise it’s more a fantasy than an opinion. 
 

Part of the way I form my opinions is by filtering out incredible information. That is why I didn't take much notice of the leave or remain campaigns.  

[stevenl]

8 minutes ago, nauseus said:

You believe that, I don't. 

Nothing to do with believing, only with facts.

They made those claims.

[Rookiescot]

11 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Part of the way I form my opinions is by filtering out incredible information. That is why I didn't take much notice of the leave or remain campaigns.  

But you knew what you were voting for right?

[transam]

7 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

But you knew what you were voting for right?

 

Yes, not to be a future member of the  'United States of Germany', is that plain enough for you.....?

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 21, 2020 by transam

[JonnyF]

8 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

But you knew what you were voting for right?

This is such a boring, condescending argument. Implying that all Remainers were intelligent and knowledgable and all Leavers were stupid and misinformed. It's absolute nonsense and just sums up the bitterness and intransigence of the losing side.

 

I knew what I was voting for.

 

Leave the single market and customs union.

No longer be under the jurisdiction of the ECJ.

Make our own free trade deals around the world instead of letting the EU make them for us.

Essentially, completely withdraw from the EU and all of it's policies and laws.

 

Fingers crossed but it looks like I will get exactly what I voted for, but I'm a pretty fair bloke so I accept that I may have to compromise on a couple of things and just get 95% of what I wanted. I understand your anger and resentment but you have to understand that there will always be winners and losers in life ????.

[nauseus]

30 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Nothing to do with believing, only with facts.

They made those claims.

Facts from the Guardian. Right. 

[nauseus]

26 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

But you knew what you were voting for right?

Lose one point for repetition.

[simple1]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

These aren't policy commitments or 'promises'. Typical Guardianista waffle. 

The Guardian has consistently won awards to professional reporting. The article provides quotes and so on - so what's the 'waffle', the claims by leave proponents?

[bert bloggs]

11 minutes ago, simple1 said:

The Guardian has consistently won awards to professional reporting. The article provides quotes and so on - so what's the 'waffle', the claims by leave proponents?

how much do you give the begging bowl guardian  to keep going ????

[simple1]

56 minutes ago, transam said:

You don't like replies to the obvious, that's OK, I read so much twisting and digging from you losers (lost the Brexit vote) that you shouldn't be bothered about my replies, but you are because you cannot help yourselves....????............But all good fun, eh...????

I currently reside in a lovely area of Australia which I dare say many UK citizens would be envious of. I hold UK citizenship being born, raised, worked etc in London. We differ, IMO at this stage, Brexit was a strategic error, maybe will be proven incorrect in the future; likely won't be alive to see the consequences one way or the other. 

 

I have never called out 'leavers' as 'losers' or other insults, which to be frank, I do not consider to be 'fun', more like trolling.

[simple1]

15 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

how much do you give the begging bowl guardian  to keep going ????

 

 

 

Guardian currently doesn't have a paywall, so reliant on contributions. Regards your question - 'not your business'

Edited August 21, 2020 by simple1

[bert bloggs]

1 minute ago, simple1 said:

Guardian currently doesn't have a paywall, so reliant on contributions.

well i dont trust much what any newspapers say to be honest ,but certainly not the biased left wing luvvies that write for the Guardian. they would go broke but for the people like your goodself 

[cleopatra2]

I see the UK has forwarded a legal text of a FTA to the EU. 

However it is classified as confidential so not in public domain

[welovesundaysatspace]

47 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

well i dont trust much what any newspapers say to be honest

But you didn’t see any men following you lately? Maybe in the shape of aliens? How about those chemtrails? 

[evadgib]

6 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Exactly what has the Guardian misreported, without correction, in the news?

The only thing they get right is the date ????

Edited August 21, 2020 by evadgib

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

Facts from the Guardian. Right. 

Quotes from Farage, Johnson et al.

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, bert bloggs said:

well i dont trust much what any newspapers say to be honest ,but certainly not the biased left wing luvvies that write for the Guardian. they would go broke but for the people like your goodself 

They're quoting Johnson, Farage et al. No matter if it is the Guardian or another source, the quotes are the same.

 

Still looking forward to an answer to the questions Simple1 asked you.

[simple1]

20 minutes ago, evadgib said:

The only thing they get right is the date ????

care to mention your media sources or will it be the usual evasion exercise?

[Loiner]

2 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

But you knew what you were voting for right?

Yep, we all knew:

 

Leading Remainers also made it clear that voting Leave would likely entail pulling Britain out of the single market. David Cameron said: ‘What the British public will be voting for is to leave the EU and leave the single market.’ George Osborne echoed him: ‘We would be out of the single market.’ There you go: the two then most powerful men in Britain saying Leave would mean leaving the single market. - 'The Spectator'

 

[paddypower]

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

This a forum. This is my personal opinion, so obviously I am both the source and the link. You think it's silly and I think you read silly newspapers. Ya boo.  

You are the source and the link. ? RATFLOL