Britain nears abandoning Brexit trade deal hope - The Telegraph

[Rookiescot]

Odd that a thread about the UK leaving the EU with no deal has been derailed into a thread about immigration.

Its obviously something Brexiteers feel safer discussing.

[JonnyF]

25 minutes ago, david555 said:

I think you have already enough on U.K. hands with your own C19 " moneytree spending out"  to fill up the treasure crate ….!???? 

This is true.

 

The difference is that now we can spend the money rebuilding our own economy, instead of the economies of Poland, Hungary etc. Also, the money can be spent now, we don't have to wait until some time next year for the EU bailout money to finally arrive through 100's of layers of red tape (although in fairness the date it is spent is irrelevant to Britain since we'd be the ones paying it not the ones receiving it).

 

Are you starting to see the real, tangible benefits of Brexit yet? I saw 100 Billion very real reasons this past week.

[Andrew65]

20 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Odd that a thread about the UK leaving the EU with no deal has been derailed into a thread about immigration.

Its obviously something Brexiteers feel safer discussing.

1. Add 3+ million migrants, mainly from eastern Europe.
2. Simmer over a period of 10 years of cuts, austerity & a housing crisis.
3. Fail to convince people of what a great success it's been.

4. Have a referendum on Brexit.
????

All the main political parties in the UK were (still are) staunchly pro-immigration, as is the EU. In what is supposed to be a democracy the electorate effectively had no say in the matter.

Edited July 22, 2020 by Andrew65

[JonnyF]

11 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Odd that a thread about the UK leaving the EU with no deal has been derailed into a thread about immigration.

Its obviously something Brexiteers feel safer discussing.

Why is it odd?

 

It's likely that any deal with the EU would involve us compromising on our immigration policy. The two are intrinsically linked.

 

Nice attempt to shout RACIST without actually saying it though. Bravo. Well done.

[Rookiescot]

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Why is it odd?

 

It's likely that any deal with the EU would involve us compromising on our immigration policy. The two are intrinsically linked.

 

Nice attempt to shout RACIST without actually saying it though. Bravo. Well done.

After we exit with no deal it will be British immigrants who are a problem for the EU.

People will not be trying to get into the UK they will be trying to get out.

[JonnyF]

4 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

After we exit with no deal it will be British immigrants who are a problem for the EU.

People will not be trying to get into the UK they will be trying to get out.

Nice deflection. Utter nonsense of course but it was successful in avoiding my point.

 

My question was why is it odd to discuss immigration on a topic about striking (or not striking) a deal with the EU?

[david555]

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

After we exit with no deal it will be British immigrants who are a problem for the EU.

People will not be trying to get into the UK they will be trying to get out.

 I Hope the E.U. only accept those with still red passport....????????????

 

Or be able to speak a Scot's local language....????

[evadgib]

46 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Lets blame it on the Russians as it seems to be the rhetoric now from remainers/anti democratics.

 

What is farcical and idiotic is that on one hand the Russians prevented Scottish independence and then they stopped helped the UK to be independent from the EU.

 

The daftest thing is that some people actually feel it is justified as a reason people had had enough for the corrupt, controlling EU and feel much better if they can blame someone like the Russians.

 

It was the Russians for Trump blah blah. Those who are even entertaining this crazy theory must be doing it to help there damaged ego. I suggest you stop it as people who are clinging onto this like Dominic Greive and the like are embarrassing themselves.

 

Get over it and move on. I suppose it was the Russians that caused the Conservative GE election victory over the commie, socialist Jeremy Corbyn? You see how daft it is!

As soon as I saw his 'boat' on the box last night I knew this report was his last throw of the dice.

I'm curious as to how many rejoiners were among the authors of the report & whether any brexiters were there too? My suspicion is that it resembled a Question Time panel! ????

Edited July 22, 2020 by evadgib

[Rookiescot]

7 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Nice deflection. Utter nonsense of course but it was successful in avoiding my point.

 

My question was why is it odd to discuss immigration on a topic about striking (or not striking) a deal with the EU?

Ah I have adopted the same policy as Brexiteers. I don't have to answer questions.

[bert bloggs]

2 hours ago, ukrules said:

Drastic changes are coming in the next 3-4 weeks.

 

They won't know what hit them but they know it's coming, we left the EU many months ago.

 

With no deal on the table there's a lot more leeway and we won't be playing ball with the French.

 

For example, how many 1000's have washed up in boats since we left the EU? What will they do when we send them all back to France?

 

I think if you believe we will send anyone back ,your living in an alternate universe , we cant even send rapists and drug dealers back ,so what hope?

[OneMoreFarang]

54 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Lets blame it on the Russians as it seems to be the rhetoric now from remainers/anti democratics.

 

What is farcical and idiotic is that on one hand the Russians prevented Scottish independence and then they stopped helped the UK to be independent from the EU.

 

The daftest thing is that some people actually feel it is justified as a reason people had had enough for the corrupt, controlling EU and feel much better if they can blame someone like the Russians.

 

It was the Russians for Trump blah blah. Those who are even entertaining this crazy theory must be doing it to help there damaged ego. I suggest you stop it as people who are clinging onto this like Dominic Greive and the like are embarrassing themselves.

 

Get over it and move on. I suppose it was the Russians that caused the Conservative GE election victory over the commie, socialist Jeremy Corbyn? You see how daft it is!

Why do you quote me and then bring up the Russians?

I didn't mention the Russians anywhere.

I don't think the Russians are innocent. But the UK voters voted for Brexit. It was up to them to inform themselves about what might happen. It seems too many looked at the writing on the bus and not much more.

[JonnyF]

41 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Ah I have adopted the same policy as Brexiteers. I don't have to answer questions.

This stance will serve you well the next time someone asks you how Scotland will be independent as a member of the EU ????.

[welovesundaysatspace]

Just now, JonnyF said:

 

The difference is that now we can spend the money rebuilding our own economy, instead of the economies of Poland, Hungary etc.

Where’s the difference? Isn’t that what the EU is doing? 
 

Just now, JonnyF said:

Also, the money can be spent now, we don't have to wait until some time next year for the EU bailout money to finally arrive through 100's of layers of red tape (although in fairness the date it is spent is irrelevant to Britain since we'd be the ones paying it not the ones receiving it).

What red tape exactly makes it to arrive when exactly? 
 

And what money exactly can the UK spend now that EU member states cannot spend now? 

 

Just now, JonnyF said:

 

Are you starting to see the real, tangible benefits of Brexit yet? I saw 100 Billion very real reasons this past week.

I saw the old Brexit lie of “undemocratic” exposed yet again, where the EU showed the whole world that a union of states can democratically decide together — something the UK seems to be incapable of, treating its member states like vassals. 

[stephenterry]

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

This is true.

 

The difference is that now we can spend the money rebuilding our own economy, instead of the economies of Poland, Hungary etc. Also, the money can be spent now, we don't have to wait until some time next year for the EU bailout money to finally arrive through 100's of layers of red tape (although in fairness the date it is spent is irrelevant to Britain since we'd be the ones paying it not the ones receiving it).

 

Are you starting to see the real, tangible benefits of Brexit yet? I saw 100 Billion very real reasons this past week.

Wrong, yet again.

 

Brexit is set to have cost the UK more than £200 billion in lost economic growth by the end of this year — a figure that almost eclipses the total amount the UK has paid toward the European Union budget over the past 47 years.

 

According to research by Bloomberg Economics, the cost of the UK's vote to leave has already reached £130 billion, with a further £70 billion likely to be added by the end of 2020.

 

That means the British economy is 3% smaller than it might have been if the UK had not voted to leave the EU.

 

 

[Rookiescot]

9 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

This stance will serve you well the next time someone asks you how Scotland will be independent as a member of the EU ????.

Dont you worry your pretty little head about Scottish independence.

Just you enjoy Engurlunds independence.

[CorpusChristie]

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

Dont you worry your pretty little head about Scottish independence.

Just you enjoy Engurlunds independence.

England doesnt have independence though .

Are you aware that England , Scotland , N.I and Wales , all are part of the United Kingdom ?

Did you think that Scotland N.I and Wales are part of England ?

[vogie]

7 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

Wrong, yet again.

 

Brexit is set to have cost the UK more than £200 billion in lost economic growth by the end of this year — a figure that almost eclipses the total amount the UK has paid toward the European Union budget over the past 47 years.

 

According to research by Bloomberg Economics, the cost of the UK's vote to leave has already reached £130 billion, with a further £70 billion likely to be added by the end of 2020.

 

That means the British economy is 3% smaller than it might have been if the UK had not voted to leave the EU.

 

 

And who do we have to thank for that, if the remainers hadn't tried to stifle the democratic decision of the referendum we would have been out 2 years ago and saved a fortune. Well done to all the remainers for costing our country a hefty price, and for what?

Edited July 22, 2020 by vogie

[Traubert]

'Britain is pursuing trade deals with other countries'

 

With all the grace of a rhino in heat.

[Rookiescot]

7 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

England doesnt have independence though .

Are you aware that England , Scotland , N.I and Wales , all are part of the United Kingdom ?

Did you think that Scotland N.I and Wales are part of England ?

England doesnt have its independence yet.

However very soon it will be on its own with the other parts of the UK having abandoned it.

[CorpusChristie]

5 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

England doesnt have its independence yet.

However very soon it will be on its own with the other parts of the UK having abandoned it.

When will that be happening ?

[Rookiescot]

4 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

When will that be happening ?

Easily within the next 5 years. There is already a consistent majority for independence in Scotland.

Northern Ireland will look to its southern neighbors and see how well they are doing while Brexitland is mired in economic hardship and will decide they want to join the Republic.

Last to go will be Wales. But after they see a successful independent Scotland and Northern Ireland prospering they will eventually decide to give it a go themselves.

Just another Brexit dividend. You were all warned about this remember? 

[vogie]

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

Easily within the next 5 years. There is already a consistent majority for independence in Scotland.

Northern Ireland will look to its southern neighbors and see how well they are doing while Brexitland is mired in economic hardship and will decide they want to join the Republic.

Last to go will be Wales. But after they see a successful independent Scotland and Northern Ireland prospering they will eventually decide to give it a go themselves.

Just another Brexit dividend. You were all warned about this remember? 

You warned us last year that Scotland would be leaving the UK this year, well you'd better get your skates on, time is running out. 

[david555]

34 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

England doesnt have independence though .

Are you aware that England , Scotland , N.I and Wales , all are part of the United Kingdom ?

Did you think that Scotland N.I and Wales are part of England ?

What is 4 minus 3= ....1 that would makes it England independance by default....???? but dont worry the Welsh you can probably keep under the thumb ????

Edited July 22, 2020 by david555

[Rookiescot]

4 minutes ago, vogie said:

You warned us last year that Scotland would be leaving the UK this year, well you'd better get your skates on, time is running out. 

Well your Conservative party kept putting the leave date for Brexit back so the people of Scotland were waiting patiently to see what happens with it.

Had Brexit been cancelled I think support for independence would have waned but now that no deal Brexit is coming there is majority support for it and it keeps rising.

You were all warned about this remember?  

[JonnyF]

54 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Where’s the difference? Isn’t that what the EU is doing? 

The difference is that the UK doesn't have to pay to rebuild the pauper EU economies like Poland and Hungary. They spend it on rebuilding the UK economy, putting the money where they like, when they like.

 

It's not really a difficult concept.

 

 

 

 

[welovesundaysatspace]

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

The difference is that the UK doesn't have to pay to rebuild the pauper EU economies like Poland and Hungary. They spend it on rebuilding the UK economy, putting the money where they like, when they like.

 

It's not really a difficult concept.

And the EU doesn’t have to pay to rebuild Covid-hit England either. So where’s the difference? Everyone’s paying for themselves. 

[JonnyF]

52 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Dont you worry your pretty little head about Scottish independence.

Just you enjoy Engurlunds independence.

Worry? WORRY? ????

 

One, it's not happening. Two, I wouldn't care if it did.

 

It's just amusing to highlight the fallacy of inconsistency in your argument about Skootlund being independent if the UK ever allowed them to leave (they wouldn't) and the EU allowed them to join (they wouldn't).

 

Anyway, your next attempt to win a referendum is only a generation away. That'll fly by ????.

 

[JonnyF]

4 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

And the EU doesn’t have to pay to rebuild Covid-hit England either. So where’s the difference? Everyone’s paying for themselves. 

The UK was the member, not England. Just so you know for next time.

 

The EU never paid for anything for the UK anyway. We were a net contributor. That means we paid for the paupers. Nobody paid for us. Now we keep that money to spend on ourselves. Capiche?

[CorpusChristie]

27 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Easily within the next 5 years. There is already a consistent majority for independence in Scotland.

Northern Ireland will look to its southern neighbors and see how well they are doing while Brexitland is mired in economic hardship and will decide they want to join the Republic.

Last to go will be Wales. But after they see a successful independent Scotland and Northern Ireland prospering they will eventually decide to give it a go themselves.

Just another Brexit dividend. You were all warned about this remember? 

Will Scotland Ireland and Wales be joining the E.U ?

Will they all be joining as one, or will they be joining independently ?

[Laughing Gravy]

1 hour ago, evadgib said:

As soon as I saw his 'boat' on the box last night I knew this report was his last throw of the dice.

I'm curious as to how many rejoiners were among the authors of the report & whether any brexiters were there too? My suspicion is that it resembled a Question Time panel! ????

Sadly it just gives the remainers the comfort of thinking that outside influences was the reason instead of manning up to the real reasons, why the UK left the EU which has been done to death here.