A new PC desktop for my home.

[rvaviator]

3 hours ago, OneeyedJohn said:

I had two tablets recently, one crapped out, the other one I dropped, but I hated the touch screen <deleted> to move the cursor, just couldn't deal with it.

So an old fashioned keyboard / mouse is what I want. Has nothing to do with age.

 

I have a large 24 inch monitor, a slightly smaller 19 inch monitor, and an even smaller 17 inch monitor, two from Samsung and one from HP, all good quality. The 24 inch I dislike because the gloss screen shows my reflection and that is not what I want to see.

I have a wireless mouse, I don't like because it is too small, and I don't want to have to plug in a USB every time I login, so I don't use it.

 

I bought a wireless printer from Canon last year , one month later it was knackered because I hadn't printed a 100 sheets per day the ink cartridges 650 baht for each, both dried up or whatever , not repairable and I certainly wasn't going to replace them. The printer cost me over 5000 Baht.

I now have an Epson with a piece of wire plugged into it and into my computer, it has worked for 3 months or more.

 

 

Your printer ... How often do you need to print in color?  Small Brother  black and white laser printer is what I have always used in hot climates - Never any issues with printing .. even if not being used for several weeks.  If I need to print anything in color .. I send to a print shop ... or I get my crayons out to add a bit of 'hand color' ????.  Similar price ... 5K to 8K THB

[FritsSikkink]

8 hours ago, transam said:

Girls and Starbucks dwellers have notebooks...????

Most people in an IT company gave notebooks.

[torturedsole]

14 hours ago, tomazbodner said:

but adding a decent 24 or 27" screen on top would set the OP back 25k baht or more.

I purchased two 27" Samsung S27H850 QHD Daisy Chain monitors last year at £750 (roughly 30k baht) so 25k baht for one monitor is certainly a step up in class.  

[transam]

9 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

Most people in an IT company gave notebooks.

Probably, they can take them out when going to lunch and carry one working...Bit like folk now-er days who can't do a single thing without an internet phone in one hand.....????

[innosiem]

7 hours ago, torturedsole said:

I purchased two 27" Samsung S27H850 QHD Daisy Chain monitors last year at £750 (roughly 30k baht) so 25k baht for one monitor is certainly a step up in class.  

this is why i prefer desktop over laptop
i doubt i could go back to a single screen no matter how big the screen is
i am so accustomed to using multiple screen for years now

this is my problem with laptops in general as a main machine
is to have a decent screen to use full time the laptop must be huge and is then a PITA to carry when travelling (fine for professionals when working)
or if the size is convenient for travel like my samsung Ativ Pro 700T the screen is too small for everyday use.
and TBH i have not even taken that anywhere past couple years as my phone will suffice

for the OP, my best value advice would be to buy an AIO focusing only on screen and CPU
then upgrade the HDD to SSD and add more RAM
buy an external enclosure for the HDD and use that for backup or additional portable storage
(or even buy a Pi4 as well and use the HDD for a NAS)
but i think OP would prefer to avoid such steps

its funny how some giving advice are only giving advice that is most suitable for themselves and not the OP????‍♂️
 

Edited July 28, 2020 by innosiem

[pineapple01]

Best reply so far.

[Eindhoven]

On 7/27/2020 at 2:51 AM, innosiem said:

if you want the cheapest option, yes just upgrade what you already have as much as possible
and if going the cheaper route
why even look for a pre built machine
when its quite easy and cheaper to buy the parts and build yourself

 

Edited noting that the OP published details of Motherboard earlier.

Edited July 28, 2020 by Eindhoven

[Eindhoven]

1 hour ago, innosiem said:

this is why i prefer desktop over laptop
i doubt i could go back to a single screen no matter how big the screen is
i am so accustomed to using multiple screen for years now

this is my problem with laptops in general as a main machine
is to have a decent screen to use full time the laptop must be huge and is then a PITA to carry when travelling (fine for professionals when working)
or if the size is convenient for travel like my samsung Ativ Pro 700T the screen is too small for everyday use.
and TBH i have not even taken that anywhere past couple years as my phone will suffice

for the OP, my best value advice would be to buy an AIO focusing only on screen and CPU
then upgrade the HDD to SSD and add more RAM
buy an external enclosure for the HDD and use that for backup or additional portable storage
(or even buy a Pi4 as well and use the HDD for a NAS)
but i think OP would prefer to avoid such steps

its funny how some giving advice are only giving advice that is most suitable for themselves and not the OP????‍♂️
 

 

Ironic. That is exactly how your posts are presented.

Note that you are the only person who actually posted pictures boasting of what you have. Absolutely not helpful to the OP at all.

 

Now you are insisting that they buy an AIO and spend more to upgrade the SSD....when he already has a monitor sitting there doing nothing.

 

So suitable for yourself and not the OP really fits your description.

 

The Optiplex 3050 with SSD already fitted offers the best value going forward other than upgrading the CPU on current Motherboard(just noticed that the OP published Motherboard details).

 

 

 

 

Edited July 28, 2020 by Eindhoven

[Eindhoven]

On 7/26/2020 at 4:36 AM, OneeyedJohn said:

Here is a file that details my system.

ADMIN-PC.html 89.9 kB · 21 downloads

 

Somehow skipped over this post.

Agreed, the CPU upgrade and SSD will do it for you.

You already have an adequate amount of RAM. The bottlenecks are the CPU and slow HDD.

You certainly won't notice the SATA II limitation. SSD aren't just about the fastest sequential reading/writing speeds. You would even notice a substantial difference if only SATA I.

Though remember that not all SSD are equal.

 

 

[lopburi3]

14 minutes ago, Eindhoven said:

The Optiplex 3050 with SSD already fitted offers the best value going forward. 

Another fail safe would be as earlier suggested - mini PC with everything installed and warranty.  Something like this provides 3 years on site service for a bit over 8k - true ssd is not large but easy to hook up USB drive for the torrents - he has the monitor and keyboard/mouse.  

https://www.jib.co.th/web/product/readProduct/35889/134/MINI-PC--มินิพีซี--ASUS-MINI-PC-PN30-BE045ZD

[Eindhoven]

14 minutes ago, lopburi3 said:

Another fail safe would be as earlier suggested - mini PC with everything installed and warranty.  Something like this provides 3 years on site service for a bit over 8k - true ssd is not large but easy to hook up USB drive for the torrents - he has the monitor and keyboard/mouse.  

https://www.jib.co.th/web/product/readProduct/35889/134/MINI-PC--มินิพีซี--ASUS-MINI-PC-PN30-BE045ZD

 

Unfortunately, it has a poor CPU   AMD CARRIZO-L E2-7015 It's a weak ultra-mobile CPU. I challenge you to find it listed anywhere.

 

That would prevent me from purchasing such an item. No possibility for an upgrade.

 

I only just took note that he posted details of his current Motherboard. It has a huge capacity for CPU upgrade. So that looks the way forward. 

 

[tomazbodner]

10 hours ago, torturedsole said:

I purchased two 27" Samsung S27H850 QHD Daisy Chain monitors last year at £750 (roughly 30k baht) so 25k baht for one monitor is certainly a step up in class.  

Sure it would be. Tried to buy a 5k 27" screen? Or maybe Apple's Pro display?

 

That said, you have intentionally taken the above out of context. Here is the whole sentence:

 

Admittedly 20k budget should include 4 core i5/Ryzen 5 and very fast SSD like, which would look night and day in performance compared to what OP has now, but adding a decent 24 or 27" screen on top would set the OP back 25k baht or more.

 

If you read the rest, you'll see it's discussion about a notebook + monitor, so this is a notebook of about 20k + a screen, where total price would be 25k or more. That estimates screen to 5k or more.

 

I hope this makes it clearer.

[FritsSikkink]

4 hours ago, innosiem said:

this is why i prefer desktop over laptop
i doubt i could go back to a single screen no matter how big the screen is
i am so accustomed to using multiple screen for years now

this is my problem with laptops in general as a main machine
is to have a decent screen to use full time the laptop must be huge and is then a PITA to carry when travelling (fine for professionals when working)
or if the size is convenient for travel like my samsung Ativ Pro 700T the screen is too small for everyday use.
and TBH i have not even taken that anywhere past couple years as my phone will suffice

for the OP, my best value advice would be to buy an AIO focusing only on screen and CPU
then upgrade the HDD to SSD and add more RAM
buy an external enclosure for the HDD and use that for backup or additional portable storage
(or even buy a Pi4 as well and use the HDD for a NAS)
but i think OP would prefer to avoid such steps

its funny how some giving advice are only giving advice that is most suitable for themselves and not the OP????‍♂️
 

You can have a double screen with a notebook too.

[BigStar]

19 hours ago, utalkin2me said:

Sure, feel free to waste your money on both as the tech outdates per month. 

On the contrary, normally value conscious, I’ll feel free to continue saving money. I’ve got more than my money’s worth out of both, thank you. I’ve upgraded my desktop cheaply several times over the years and it runs beautifully. Laptop was so cheap that it couldn’t really depreciate; I never needed to worry about anything happening to it; and it’s still as useful today as when I bought it.

 

That’s all that matters, Mr. Hi Tech. But I’m awfully impressed you can afford to discard one laptop a month in pursuit of the latest version of Win 10. Very good.

 

19 hours ago, utalkin2me said:

Buying a desktop makes about as much sense as buying a camera the size of a lead bazooka. It may very well be a nice camera, but it is so awkward, clumsy and inflexible, and there are other cameras that are just as good, just as cheap, that are the size of a wallet or even present in a phone.

OK, so now we’ve merely learned you don’t know cameras well and their different purposes. But if you can’t tell the difference between a photo taken by a Nikon D6 and that by an iPhone, then yes, with your eyesight iPhone photography is obviously for you.

In general, one tries to choose the right tool for the job. Bazookas have their uses as well as pea shooters. You know which is best for shootin' peas.

 

19 hours ago, utalkin2me said:

And, we have wised up to that, but not yet when it comes to desktops. 

Someone thinks he’s all wised up, true.

 

19 hours ago, utalkin2me said:

I may have thought the same a while back, but time and time again you walk into offices of professional graphics editors and the like... in their office... and they have a laptop as their only machine. Not every time, but this is a frequent occurence.

Confirmation bias is also a common tendency that's usually misleading.

 

19 hours ago, utalkin2me said:

So if it is well good enough for professionals

Good enough for what exactly is the question you’ve mostly begged.

The average office laptop ain’t anything I’d want as my go-to box. The needs (as determined by the company) of an office hack will be quite different than my own wants as well as those of many others at home. Companies often buy those laptops so that employees can have a machine up to the same standard at home; for encouragement to work at home; for data privacy; and for travel needs, among other reasons.

For all you know, the employees might well prefer a desktop with the peripherals that usually go with it. I’d hate to have to sit at a desk all day staring at a little screen with my shoulders, arms, wrists, and fingers in unergonomic positions. Oh, that can be worked around, but how many will actually do it?

But you seem to be shadow boxing. You see, nobody denies that powerful laptops exist. I quite like the GT80 Titan SLI from MSI:

http://event.msicomputer.com/gt80titan/

PM for my bank A/C# so that you can transfer the funds to me to buy it. Whee!

 

And, yes, everyone knows that laptops are relatively portable. I have no idea why our experts think this is big news worthy of announcement. No one buys a desktop expecting or wanting portability from it.

Me, I’ve had laptops continuously for the last 30 years; my first ran MS-DOS and thereon I typed documents in WordStar. During some years of my life, a laptop was of necessity, not by choice, my main computer. Traveled all over the world lugging a d.a.mn laptop and hassling with airport security. At least 5 of them have died on me, the others all became too expensive to repair or couldn’t be upgraded.

Knowing laptops quite well, perhaps even better than you do, I’d never sink much money into one unless I had to or had money to burn. Nor do I need to, fortunately. I much prefer having a desktop as my main machine at home. I like the big fast graphics card, big monitor, 2 internal 4TB HDDs, 2 SSDs, sound card, SATA 3 mobile rack for another 6 TB or 500 GB SSD, reliable Corsair PSU--even the case, a flat black badass Cooler Master C70 that’ll survive a building collapse. Oh—it looks like it holds bazooka ammo, too. I’m serious.

And I like my cheap laptop just fine for times I need to travel, with one little drive just as yours has.???? I often run Linux on it, which is kinda fun.

Now, I’m not going to bother listing all the reasons for you, but this guy will give you five:

https://www.businessinsider.com/laptops-vs-desktops-2018-8#for-most-laptops-youre-stuck-with-their-specs-until-its-time-to-upgrade-to-a-new-model-desktops-can-be-upgraded-pretty-easily-3

So go read that and think what you will. I know all reasons you prefer a laptop.

 

19 hours ago, utalkin2me said:

it is going to be good enough for senior citizens checking their emails and downloading porn. 

Well, speak for yourself rather than try to nanny the seniors.

 

Simple-mindedness tends to manifest itself in all areas, no? Meet Shirley Curry playing Skyrim on her gaming beast of desktop:

 

 

And you’ve entirely ignored the question of the particular senior citizen’s budget, which may be rather limited. What will be most economical, comfortable, and overall nicer to have in the long run? I ain’t leaving for the nursing home without my desktop. ????

Parenthetically, one thing always amuses me on threads such as this. It’s that while our experts constantly dish out advice to supplicants for pursuing expensive solutions they don’t need, not one ever offers to contribute financially towards all that unneeded extra expense.

Here the OP’s looking at all he really needs for about B1000 – 1500 and he’ll be happy. Nevertheless, he’s bombarded with advice to spend 10 - 20 times that with new peripherals—as long as it’s his money. We all know better how to spend it than he does. It appears many of our members aren’t familiar with the idea of upgrade.

Reminds me of Jingthing’s thread recently asking about an Android media box to replace his lowly WDTV Live. All he'd needed was a cheap little box from Lazada costing around B1000 to play video files he downloads to his computer. He got one. His main concern was only this: how to share, or transfer, the files to the box, wired into his LAN, conveniently. For that, he just needed FTP or to create a shared folder on his PC--free of course.

Here, however, he discovers his box is in fact useless (too cheap, really) and what he really needs is a 10 – 15K NUC, a spare computer, Windows 10, new router, a hub, a new hi fi system, a bigger TV, faster internet, a new wireless system, and nothing less than a Nvidia Shield for, say, 20 – 30K. I love this forum.

 

Edited July 28, 2020 by BigStar

[OneeyedJohn]

Jingthing also started a thread about a new phone, but luckily he managed to keep that under control I think, insisting he was looking no better the readme 6 Note. I at the same time was also looking and ended up with a very modest Redime 8, but I am happy.

 

And that is what this thread is all about, my computerized happiness.

[Eindhoven]

2 hours ago, OneeyedJohn said:

Jingthing also started a thread about a new phone, but luckily he managed to keep that under control I think, insisting he was looking no better the readme 6 Note. I at the same time was also looking and ended up with a very modest Redime 8, but I am happy.

 

And that is what this thread is all about, my computerized happiness.

 

You'll be happy with upgraded CPU in conjunction with a solid state drive. The performance will be unrecognisable in comparison to the painful experience of the Sempron 140 with HDD.

 

You won't even have the time to get up to put the kettle on before the thing is ready for use.

I imagine now, that you can actually brew the tea.

[OneeyedJohn]

Can you clear something up for me as I don't want to look stupid when I go to KVC, but I take the FX-4300, they put it in, I then say slap a 250/500 GB SSD in, will that sit next to my HDD which has Windows 7 on it, if I then ask for Win 10 on my new SSD, do they have to change my BIOS to boot from the new disk, what do I lose, my programs, my files/folders.

Will all the data on my old HDD remain, as I am not asking for them to format it or anything.

[Eindhoven]

30 minutes ago, OneeyedJohn said:

Can you clear something up for me as I don't want to look stupid when I go to KVC, but I take the FX-4300, they put it in, I then say slap a 250/500 GB SSD in, will that sit next to my HDD which has Windows 7 on it, if I then ask for Win 10 on my new SSD, do they have to change my BIOS to boot from the new disk, what do I lose, my programs, my files/folders.

Will all the data on my old HDD remain, as I am not asking for them to format it or anything.

 

Seems you aren't listening. ???? Install the OS for yourself, in so you keep control over what is installed. You can get them to fit the CPU and SSD. But install the OS yourself. We will show you how and what to select.

 

Back to your question. You will end up with two separate OS on two separate drives.

 

Best you clean install 10 to the SSD and then install the programs freshly on the 10 drive. Then copy the data over from the 7 drive, on to the new 10 drive.

You can keep the data on the 7 drive as an extra back-up.

 

If you swap the cables from the 7 drive to the 10 drive, no need to change anything in the BIOS. If you buy and fit a new cable for the 10 drive, you'll need to change the boot order. All very simple when you know how. Takes seconds.

The CPU fitting doesn't take long either. But unless you are a tinkerer, not a bad idea to leave it to the tech. He'll have it done in perhaps 10 minutes. Fitting SSD you could do in a minute. But since they are upgrading the CPU, there's no harm in getting them to connect the SSD too. It doesn't need any special fitting brackets. Some people use a loop of sticky tape to keep it in place. But since it has no moving parts and your PC doesn't move, it doesn't even need to be held in place.

 

 

[Eindhoven]

You will need a USB Thumb/Flash drive of at least 8 GB in capacity.

 

Creating the Windows 10 USB flash drive

1. Visit the Microsoft Media Creation Tool website
2. Click Download Tool Now.
3. Save the Application.
4. Plug your USB Flash Drive into the PC where you saved the application.
5. Run the Application.
6. Accept the EULA
7. Select Create installation media for another PC and click Next.
8. Choose the correct settings for your version of Windows 10
   1. Language (Country)
   2. Windows 10
   3. 64-bit (x64)
9. Click Next.
10. Select USB Flash Drive and click Next.
11. Select the Flash Drive and click Next.

12. Allow the application to complete. You will be prompted when it is finished and has successfully created the bootable drive.

Edited July 28, 2020 by Eindhoven

[OneeyedJohn]

OK done, it took 40 minutes on my blazingly fast Sempron 140, soon to become a blazingly fast FX-4300, multiple cores and multiple threads.

 

Can't wait.

 

So what do I do with this flash drive?

[BigStar]

3 hours ago, OneeyedJohn said:

OK done, it took 40 minutes on my blazingly fast Sempron 140, soon to become a blazingly fast FX-4300, multiple cores and multiple threads.

 

Can't wait.

 

So what do I do with this flash drive?

Good progress.

 

BTW, before I forget, I should point out again that you're going to need a new CPU cooler. Your old Sempron runs at 45W; your FX-4300, 95W. Better ask your tech if he has inexpensive one for you; if not, we'll need to dig. CPU fans are a whole industry in itself. Of course, a good cooler with a replaceable fan will last forever. They'll usually fit AMD or Intel boards, with an included adapter.

 

First, you’ll need to wait until you get your new SSD before going further w/ Win 10 unless you make a backup image of your HDD. An image would be good to have anyway before doing all this.

Let’s assume you wait.  It’s convenient to have your tech install your SSD for you. It could be, though a bit unlikely, your old case has a spot for 2.5” drives that it’ll fit right in. If so, he’ll find it. He’s also got a new data cable and the right screws and screwdriver.

True, its not necessary to screw in the drive; I haven’t always. Zip ties or Velcro strips aren’t uncommon. Now you could request, or even install yourself, one of these custom fitted, silver coated retention strips with reinforcing safety threads just for added style and sophistication:

 

And your tech, esp. being Thai, will be most happy to oblige. But using screws means a bit more stability in the worst scenarios. You know, grabbing your box and running out of the house before the wife destroys it and you.

So then you can go home and install Win 10 yourself, OR you could just ask the tech to install it from your flash drive as you watch, or watch at least the start of it anyway. He’ll change your BIOS to boot from the SSD.

Now he probably has a pristine Win 10 already, but maybe not the latest version. Anyway you may feel better if he uses yours. If you say nothing, he’ll load up a Win 10 from an image w/ a lot of junk on it and an illegal activation. Nothing personal, just SOP. ????Saves time and people like to feel they’re getting free stuff.

You can have the tech put in your cheap product key for Win 10 Pro or you can leave it unactivated and put it in yourself when you get home. You can ask the tech to show you that it's activated before you leave the shop.

You go home, boot from your new Win 10, and spend a few hours reinstalling all your old apps, installing drivers as needed (printer driver, for example), configuring, and copying over all your old data.

You leave your old Win 7 as it is for, say, a week in case you need to boot from it for some reason. If you do, you can change the BIOS boot order or you can probably press F8 or F11 during the boot sequence to choose on the fly to boot from it.

After that, you can clone your Win 10 over to your old drive or make a compressed image of it on that drive that will leave you with room for ongoing data backups.

This shouldn’t be too burdensome as I imagine that you don’t have that many apps. A clean install is best for a number of reasons. However, it’s not absolutely necessary and don’t be intimidated into thinking that it is. Here's another scenario:

If you have a ton of apps and can’t bear the idea of reinstalling them (been there, man) then you can use your Win 10 installation flashdrive to upgrade (if it works; usually does, but not always) your Win 7 to Win 10 (make an image first, though). That method will keep everything you have now, and most if not all of your apps will run without adjustment (“compatibility mode”). It will be activated already. Then you run that for a week and get everything configured, maybe add in some new drivers.

 

Then you clone that installation to your SSD.

 

Now that you have your Win 10 up and running (congrats):

You may not like some things about Win 10 at first. That’s a common reaction. Most knowledgeable users will get rid of the bloatware, turn off Cortana and web search, and turn off as much as possible of the telemetry. Maybe you like Candy Crush and the spying--some will defend them, believe it or not--but if you don't, then one of our forum members will be along w/ recommended de-bloat programs. The one I use is too geeky and you wouldn’t like it.

And then there’s the Win 10 interface, notably the Start menu. Again, maybe you’ll love all those tiles in your face and enjoy wasting time configuring them. Whee! Our ace experts, all on the very cutting edge of high tech (loved it when they insisted on Windows Vista), demand that you must. Otherwise, you’re a hopeless caveman trying to live in prehistoric times. Pathetic, really. You aren't listening!

 

Yep, you can install and maintain a hundred third-party programs, but NOT one that alters the stock Win 10 Start menu. Off limits, pal!

However, if you ARE a caveman like myself and millions of others then you can just install Open-Shell (runs at startup) and have your old Win 7 start menu back and a lot stuff already laid out for you conveniently, like a fly open control panel. https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu. Heh heh.

Hopefully this post won’t now be deleted as too inflammatory.

Edited July 29, 2020 by BigStar

[OneeyedJohn]

14 minutes ago, BigStar said:

put in your cheap product key for Win 10 Pro or you can leave it unactivated and put it in yourself

 

14 minutes ago, BigStar said:

you can clone your Win 10 over to your old drive

 

14 minutes ago, BigStar said:

A clean install is best

 

14 minutes ago, BigStar said:

Then you clone that installation to your SSD.

 

15 minutes ago, BigStar said:

hen you can just install Open-Shell

I am beginning to think you are extracting the michael.

[BigStar]

50 minutes ago, BigStar said:

BTW, before I forget, I should point out again that you're going to need a new CPU cooler. Your old Sempron runs at 45W; your FX-4300, 95W. Better ask your tech if he has inexpensive one for you; if not, we'll need to dig. CPU fans are a whole industry in itself. Of course, a good cooler with a replaceable fan will last forever. They'll usually fit AMD or Intel boards, with an included adapter.

You might ask your tech about this, however. It's been awhile since I changed a stock cooler as I've been using those from third-parties for many years. (I invest in better coolers, PSUs and cases because they're reliable and last long.) I mostly see stock Intels on the boxes I'm sometimes called upon to repair.

 

I suppose there is a possibility that AMD used the same inexpensive cooler for the FX series as for Sempron and you could safely keep your old one.

Edited July 29, 2020 by BigStar

[Eindhoven]

6 hours ago, OneeyedJohn said:

OK done, it took 40 minutes on my blazingly fast Sempron 140, soon to become a blazingly fast FX-4300, multiple cores and multiple threads.

 

Can't wait.

 

So what do I do with this flash drive?

 

You wait until you have the new CPU and SSD fitted and then use it to install Windows 10 to the new SSD.

Will put together a guide for you.

[Eindhoven]

2 hours ago, OneeyedJohn said:

 

 

 

 

I am beginning to think you are extracting the michael.

 

You noticed....

[OneeyedJohn]

Thanks buddy, I need simple straight forward instructions, nothing more, nothing less.

[Eindhoven]

If your current Windows 7 install is genuine and not activated by some dodgy hack, we can actually use that licence to activate a clean install of Windows 10.

Which edition of Windows 7 are you running?

If Ultimate or Pro, we can install Windows 10 Pro. If Home Premium, then we can install Windows 10 Home.

 

[OneeyedJohn]

My windows 7 is ultimate, after trying and failing to update to Win10 I saw it was no longer genuine, so I download a program called windows loader I think and that made it look genuine, at least to me when I click on computer.

[Eindhoven]

12 minutes ago, OneeyedJohn said:

My windows 7 is ultimate, after trying and failing to update to Win10 I saw it was no longer genuine, so I download a program called windows loader I think and that made it look genuine, at least to me when I click on computer.

 

Ok, so we will scrap the idea of trying to upgrade by using the current licence. I can fix it, but it is easier to simply buy an inexpensive 10 Pro licence key.

 

Examples:

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WINDOWS-10-PROFESSIONAL-PRO-32-64-BIT-ACTIVATION-CODE-KEY/373126684505 £1.99 Last one

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Windows-10-Pro-32-64-bit-License-key-online-activation-INSTANT-DELIVERY/283962069450

https://www.lazada.co.th/products/windows-10-pro-64-bit-32-license-key-win10-10-2020-digital-key-windows10-10-y-i1084784942-s2455144385.html

[Eindhoven]

Installing Windows with the Media Creation Tool:

1. Press and hold the Power key for five seconds to turn off your computer.
2. Plug in the USB Drive that contains the Media Creation Tool files.
3. Power on the system and begin tapping the F11 Key to enter the BOOT Menu.
4. Select the USB Drive from the list and press Enter. The Windows Setup environment will launch.
5. Select your Language, Time and Keyboard, then click Next.
6. Click Install Now.
7. Accept the license terms and click Next
8. Do not connect to the Internet when offered. Just choose Skip
9. Follow the choices on only the blue screens here: https://fdossena.com/?p=w10debotnet/index_1903.frag  with some important caveats. The screens on the latest versions of Windows 10 differ slightly from what is shown there. That is, Microsoft have removed the option to choose a Local account and instead insist that you need to sign in with a Microsoft account. This is a dirty trick. ???? But you can outwit them by simply not connecting to the Internet during the installation. This will force the installer to offer you a Local account.
10. Details here: https://www.howtogeek.com/442609/confirmed-windows-10-setup-now-prevents-local-account-creation/ Scroll down to How to Create a Local User Account Instead.

 

With the SSD installed, the installation will be super quick. Probably less than twenty minutes. Drivers will likely install themselves, so none of the old problems you may have experienced in the past of having to install Drivers. It is mostly now quick and easy.