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Sure come wednesday Pattaya's mayor's calculator will be returned to the TAT office with a note of job well done I see how it works now 🤔 

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2 hours ago, GeorgeCross said:

domestic tourism is just smearing money around. for every baht spent in a hotel its one less spent in a local restaurant or on the weekly makro/tesco run.

thailand doesn't gain anything its a zero sum game.

    Nothing wrong with 'smearing money around'.  That's how economies work.  Most people have a budget that includes 'makro/tesco' and other normal expenses but many also have money set aside for travel.  My Thai in-laws usually take at least one international trip a year, sometimes two.  With international travel suspended, they will be taking trips around Thailand, instead, spending their travel money in Thailand rather than in a foreign country.  Certainly, it's not a replacement for international tourists but it will help some tourists areas and some tourist businesses.  

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5 hours ago, TooBigToFit said:

👎👎👎

 

High end hotels doing well but what about the majority which are little places? All us poor people love the moment with the chance to stay in a good hotel. Who would want to stay in anything else at this time when they are cheap. But I think the headline is more hype than a true picture.

 

I was thinking about going this weekend but the idea of fighting traffic turned me off. And I know others who just didn't want to put up with the jams. The constant horrible traffic and crowds has ruined travel and tourism for me. it's never going to be the same. Holidays are turning into something like those shopper rampages where everyone bursts through the doors to get in for special deals.

 

Little places also got business in the extended long weekend. 

My residence is close to a lot rental house/room advertised for  400-700 B a night.  In the last 4-day weekend and also the current 4-day long weekend, many cars are parked around with Thai doing the Thai barbeque and Karoke entertainment in the evening.   Of course beer/whisky are flowing.  

My condo also got some empty rooms rental out with new faces in the swimming pool and extra cars parked during the long weekend period. 

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1 hour ago, newnative said:

   Those posting that they haven't heard of the hotels mentioned in the OP likely haven't because most are in the Wongamat/Naklua area.  And, Mera Mare is in the northern part of Pattaya Beach.  I'm not in town for this long weekend but at the last one a few weeks ago all the nice, big hotels in north Pattaya, and some of the smaller ones, were full.  Probably the same for the Wongamat/Naklua hotels and likely they will be full this long weekend, too.

     Construction continues on a new, highrise hotel on Naklua Road, not too far from the fairly new Brighton Hotel.  Construction also continues on Grande Centre Point 2 in Wongamat. They will join the other new hotels built recently in north Pattaya and Wong Amat, including Ozo Hotel, Mytt, the new Amari addition, LK Emerald Beach, Cosi Hotel, Golden Tulip, Courtyard by Marriott, and a number of others.

     All this new construction, and a lot of the construction Pattaya has seen for the past 10 years, is to primarily accommodate the new tourist/long-stay demographic, which is more Asian, more Russian, more young group travel, more young couples, and more families.  And, most of the new construction is far from the areas attracting western sexpats.

     Now, is Soi Buakao busy this long weekend?  I have no idea as I almost never go there--no reason to.  Likewise for most of the new tourists and Bangkok weekend visitors Pattaya has been attracting these past years.  They are in other parts of Pattaya, many hidden away a bit.  The argument that Golden Egg Layers spend far more than other tourists and weekend visitors I find particularly ludicrous.  If that was the case, likely none of the above would have been built, or Terminal 21, or the hundreds of other new projects that have been built.  

 

 

In Pattaya,  Change in the visitor demographic and nationality had commenced around 2008  shortly after Central Festival-Hilton Hotel was erected and opened.   Such gradual shift had actually been successful for years,  at least up till around 2018.   One sign of the switching is the bar business has been actually more and more difficult and folding up. 

 

 

There is one bad news in another aspect though.   In Jomtien,  the sheer number of unsold condo units as well as up coming condo highrise condo projects are scary.    I think the Thai rely on PRC buyers,  I just don't see any bright light at the tunnels for now.    

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16 hours ago, champers said:

Beach was very busy in Pattaya, got busier as the day wore on. I noticed that A-One and MYTT hotels on Soi 3 were far busier than they have been.

 

Yes, I was quite surprised too.

In that Soi2, Soi3 area,  even some rate-inflated hotels such as Siam by Design Hotel had plenty of people and car traffic in the last 4-day long weekend. 

The hotels around in the same block of cruise ship design hotel  ( all same owner )   had got lots of young Thai patronage.  These are all 3.0-3.5* star hotels attracting new generation Thai from Bangkok.  

 

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Just to add that my girlfriend's daughter came down from Bangkok with her hubby, babe in arms and other family members. There was 12 of them in total and spent 2 nights in a nice house in Pratumnak with 3 big bedrooms and a pool for a cost of 9000 Baht. They have some market stalls in the Bangkok suburbs and are lower middle class. All budgets are catered for, not just hiso Thais.

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4 minutes ago, champers said:

Just to add that my girlfriend's daughter came down from Bangkok with her hubby, babe in arms and other family members. There was 12 of them in total and spent 2 nights in a nice house in Pratumnak with 3 big bedrooms and a pool for a cost of 9000 Baht. They have some market stalls in the Bangkok suburbs and are lower middle class. All budgets are catered for, not just hiso Thais.

Have short term rentals suddenly become legal? When I was house hunting one of the deal breakers was if the village allowed the villas to be rented out as illegal hotels.

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37 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

Have short term rentals suddenly become legal? When I was house hunting one of the deal breakers was if the village allowed the villas to be rented out as illegal hotels.

It wasn't in a village or gated community. It was a stand alone property on a sub soi off Pratumnak Soi 4. I don't know if the deal was illegal or not, but I neither booked it or stayed there; just visited for a few hours both days. 

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4 hours ago, treetops said:

The three places all have their own identities and I think most people will go along with what I said. 

Agreed. Most who spend most of their time around Soi Buakhao and Walking St. 🙂

 

4 hours ago, treetops said:

There is a reason they use Pattaya rather than their actual location as it attracts the tourist money.

Oh. And you know this how? Most of our ace TVF Marketers advise that the name Pattaya has a bad reputation, appealing only to low farang mongers, yet these hotels are the last places a monger would wish to stay. So that shrewd observation may have a problem. 😉

 

It could be that they use Pattaya because it IS their actual location, as hotels normally do wordwide. Now if you made them aware that they are not located within your quite limited "mental" boundaries, perhaps they'd change over to help you find them.

 

It's amazing, however, to learn that Pattaya School #7 and Pattaya School #11 are marketed towards tourists. This sign also needs correction, if it hasn't been yet. "Chonburi" won't do either: you know what it needs to be.

 

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Pesky marketing.

 

4 hours ago, treetops said:

I think my interpretation is much more reasonable than the hoteliers and anyone else who claims otherwise.

Well, yes, you do think that. 🙂

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18 hours ago, BigStar said:

The problem for your argument is that domestic Thai tourists will buy a pair of Adidas for 2000

Perhaps you can tell me why a domestic Thai tourists would come all the way to Pattaya to buy a pair of Adidas shoes for 2k baht when they can buy them wherever they are living, and probably for cheaper?

 

18 hours ago, BigStar said:

Thai tourists vastly outnumber the GGLs and buy their entire families those bowls of noodle soup. At MK, perhaps.

I doubt MK, more like street vendors for 30 baht a bowl.

 

18 hours ago, BigStar said:

In fact they do come here

Where are they then?

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2 hours ago, DrTuner said:

Have short term rentals suddenly become legal?

Hey sorry, your comment seems a little out of touch.

Short term rentals have been going on forever with no enforcement.

I was out and about today in Pattaya.  Thai's lined up at The Base.  Unixx and Centric many with their bags checking in for the short holiday.

I bet there are 1000's of short term renters over the next several days in Pattaya alone not in hotels.

Just check the websites, which I did.  The Base under 1000 b a night for 3 nights still available.

It is illegal yes,  same as prostitution so....

 

 

 

 

 

 

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21 hours ago, Airalee said:

Yeah....I know “a guy” who stays at “unnamed hotel where the rooms cost per 20k per night“ too.

 

The hotels listed in the article aren’t 20k per night...

 

Rooms available tonight...

 

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He doesn't say they tried to book in one of those hotels.

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29 minutes ago, adammike said:

He doesn't say they tried to book in one of those hotels.

No.

But, I sure would like to see the 20 k a night rooms.

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3 hours ago, champers said:

Just to add that my girlfriend's daughter came down from Bangkok with her hubby, babe in arms and other family members. There was 12 of them in total and spent 2 nights in a nice house in Pratumnak with 3 big bedrooms and a pool for a cost of 9000 Baht. They have some market stalls in the Bangkok suburbs and are lower middle class. All budgets are catered for, not just hiso Thais.

Yes, AirBnB caters for all budgets, but doesn't do much for hotel occupancy rates.  🙂

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1 hour ago, bkk6060 said:

It is illegal yes,  same as prostitution so....

So.....how about Thai laws protect legitimate businesses who have invested under the protection of such laws, and enforce the law against illegal businesses? 

 

Otherwise, why even bother paying for a hotel licence?  Just call the building a condo and join the AirBnB club.  

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