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12 minutes ago, Leaver said:

So.....how about Thai laws protect legitimate businesses who have invested under the protection of such laws, and enforce the law against illegal businesses? 

 

Otherwise, why even bother paying for a hotel licence?  Just call the building a condo and join the AirBnB club.  

Not to mention hotels are commercial buildings where occupants can expect not to have their own privacy. Residential properties are for residents. AirBnB has destroyed many a condo and village with rowdy illegal weekenders spoiling the neighbourhood.

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1 hour ago, bkk6060 said:

No.

But, I sure would like to see the 20 k a night rooms.

There’s a place in HuaHin next door to the ฿1000 Ibis I stay where the rooms go from ฿70,000-140,000 per person.  I feel sorry that they have to have a filthy lowlife like myself so close.

 

https://www.chivasom.com/hua-hin/accommodation

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2 hours ago, Leaver said:

Perhaps you can tell me why a domestic Thai tourists would come all the way to Pattaya to buy a pair of Adidas shoes for 2k baht when they can buy them wherever they are living, and probably for cheaper?

A standard ignorant argument of TVF Economics against Thai shopping malls in general. Goes back far, I remember its invocation when ground broke for Siam Paragon. Another white elephant. 😉You know well how it goes. We've covered it before. Rich Thais only buy abroad, other Thais have no money, Indians have no money, Chinese don't spend, Russians only spend in 7/11s. Therefore shoppers can't exist in a Thai mall and you, personally, have never seen any. 🙂

 

That goes doubly for any shopping mall in a Thai resort, of course, as all tourists have all they need at home.

 

I suppose the only argument that will work for you is that domestic tourists are later refunded surreptitiously to hide--wait for it--money laundering

 

'Course, now. Ala Moana in Honolulu is the biggest and one of the most successful long-running shopping malls in the USA. Hmmm. Now that's just impossible, if you think about it. 

 

2 hours ago, Leaver said:

I doubt MK, more like street vendors for 30 baht a bowl.

Means nothing that you doubt because you haven't looked in any MKs on holiday weekends, and if you did you might refuse to see anyone. Fact is, some do, some don't. Yet a family eating from street vendors still beats a monger eating his baked beans on toast. 🙂 And the sheer numbers are on the side of the Thais again. 

 

2 hours ago, Leaver said:

Where are they then?

You may read through the thread and discover that for yourself. Enough with the spoon feeding and repetition.

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1 hour ago, Leaver said:

Yes, AirBnB caters for all budgets, but doesn't do much for hotel occupancy rates.  🙂

I am no legal expert but I don't really think staying in a house can be compared to stopping in a hotel. There were no hotel services - no food, no bar, no security, no check-in, no cleaning. It was booked online but I don't think a third party was involved. If hotels were the only option they probably wouldn't have come.

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5 minutes ago, champers said:

There were no hotel services - no food, no bar, no security, no check-in, no cleaning.

Correct.  Therefore, cheaper prices.  

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1 hour ago, BigStar said:

A standard ignorant argument of TVF Economics against Thai shopping malls in general. Goes back far, I remember its invocation when ground broke for Siam Paragon. Another white elephant. 😉You know well how it goes. We've covered it before. Rich Thais only buy abroad, other Thais have no money, Indians have no money, Chinese don't spend, Russians only spend in 7/11s. Therefore shoppers can't exist in a Thai mall and you, personally, have never seen any. 🙂

 

That goes doubly for any shopping mall in a Thai resort, of course, as all tourists have all they need at home.

 

I suppose the only argument that will work for you is that domestic tourists are later refunded surreptitiously to hide--wait for it--money laundering

 

'Course, now. Ala Moana in Honolulu is the biggest and one of the most successful long-running shopping malls in the USA. Hmmm. Now that's just impossible, if you think about it. 

 

Means nothing that you doubt because you haven't looked in any MKs on holiday weekends, and if you did you might refuse to see anyone. Fact is, some do, some don't. Yet a family eating from street vendors still beats a monger eating his baked beans on toast. 🙂 And the sheer numbers are on the side of the Thais again. 

 

You may read through the thread and discover that for yourself. Enough with the spoon feeding and repetition.

     Sometime ago I remember posting that my Thai in-laws from Bangkok loved to hit the malls when they visited my partner and me in Pattaya.  They'd start with the outlet mall and then Festival--often gone for hours.  Someone posted back why would they want to shop in Pattaya when they have so many malls in Bangkok.  The answer was that during the week they leave for work at 5:30am and return around 7 or 7:30pm, or later, dead tired.  On the weekend they do all the chores they are too tired to do during the week.  When they come to Pattaya, they actually have the glorious free time to go shopping and, yes, buy those 2000 baht Adidas someone mentioned.  

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On 7/25/2020 at 4:36 AM, geriatrickid said:

The Thai tourists  are not interested in the same "entertainment" venues as foreign tourists. They stay at their hotels by the pool, and dine at  nearby restaurants. Good news for the quality establishments of pattaya.

like the entertainment venues in soi 6.

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just checked google nothing more from trip .com 1999 p/night on any of the quoted hotels not so luxurious.

The hotels are the Mera Mare, Z Through By the Zign, Garden Sea View Resort, Long Beach Hotel and The Zign Premium Villa. 

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14 hours ago, Leaver said:

So.....how about Thai laws protect legitimate businesses who have invested under the protection of such laws, and enforce the law against illegal businesses? 

 

Otherwise, why even bother paying for a hotel licence?  Just call the building a condo and join the AirBnB club.  

It has been discussed many times.  Many condos actualĺy facilitate the ST renters.  At The Base maybe the busiest "hotel" in the city normally 100's a day coming and going.

 

It seems the hotel owners are partly responsible do to lack of organization and leadership.  They could stop the ST renters with proper intervention with the authorities, customers who then would be directed toward hotel stays.  But, they do nothing 

as their hotel busineeses continue to suffer.

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1 hour ago, bkk6060 said:

customers who then would be directed toward hotel stays.  But, they do nothing 

They do nothing but  put the prices up higher and higher ...less customers higher prices  its little wonder people look towards cheaper alternatives.

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2 minutes ago, johng said:

They do nothing but  put the prices up higher and higher ...less customers higher prices  its little wonder people look towards cheaper alternatives.

Well, that is a good point.

Most of these ST condos with kitchens are less then hotels.  In some cases half.

They do lack some other amenities like restaurants.

A place like View Talay has many shops and some eating places in the buildings.

 

Just checking on one hotel website for Wednesday to Saturday of this week Unixx, The Base, View Talay, Centric all short term rentals for a little over 1000 b a night.   And, that is just these popular places many other condos available ST.

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18 hours ago, BigStar said:

Agreed. Most who spend most of their time around Soi Buakhao and Walking St. 🙂

 

Oh. And you know this how? Most of our ace TVF Marketers advise that the name Pattaya has a bad reputation, appealing only to low farang mongers, yet these hotels are the last places a monger would wish to stay. So that shrewd observation may have a problem. 😉

 

It could be that they use Pattaya because it IS their actual location, as hotels normally do wordwide. Now if you made them aware that they are not located within your quite limited "mental" boundaries, perhaps they'd change over to help you find them.

 

It's amazing, however, to learn that Pattaya School #7 and Pattaya School #11 are marketed towards tourists. This sign also needs correction, if it hasn't been yet. "Chonburi" won't do either: you know what it needs to be.

Schools, Immigration offices and such like, as official bodies, are of course going to use the municipal authority titles, but they're not what we're talking about here.  Come out of your distorted bubble and think about the real world around you.

 

Go to almost any country and ask locals there if they know of Pattaya, Jomtien or Naklua.  Most will probably know none of the three, some will know Pattaya and next to no-one will know Jomtien or Naklua.  There's a great reason for hoteliers and such like to advertise themselves as Pattaya despite their actual location.

 

Or go to any local residents of the three places and ask them where they stay - get the idea?  No one is  disputing whether it's legal or correct or even fair, it just happens to be so.

 

Not everyone is one of your "ace TVF Marketers" and are well aware of the standard of hotels in the area, so you would do yourself a favour if you took off the bigoted blinkers and enjoyed everything all three places have to offer. 😉

 

 

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17 hours ago, Leaver said:

Nice history history lesson, but that doesn't put food on Thai tables.

Putting food on Thai tables is a Thai responsibility responsibility, you see, not yours or mine. Domestic tourism definitely helps, as Thais are smart enough to know at least.

 

17 hours ago, Leaver said:

I am not looking for an argument that will work for me, or Thailand, or anybody else.  Just discussing observations and sharing the information I have been given by several business owners here, foreign, and Thai.

Me, I merely try to help you in all benevolence to overcome your repetitions of puzzlement. So I offer comforting explanations from your perspective.

 

That is in the hope of enabling the discussion to advance towards at least some reality rather than just going around in the usual circle.

 

Earlier, for example, when you repeatedly failed to understand how shopping malls make money, because you can’t see anyone in a mall, you were satisfied with the classical TVF Economics explanation: money laundering. And then able to sleep soundly, I presume.

 

And when posts contain insular observations and sharing of misleading information gleaned from worms-eye surveys of a few business owners around Soi Buakhao, as a public service I offer a more rational, objective perspective based on the reality of the new economy seen in areas other than around the cheap beer bars and fleabag hotels of Soi Buakhao. Such observations are scattered throughout this thread.

 

17 hours ago, Leaver said:

MK could be full on a holiday weekend. 

Excellent progress. Yep, could be. And other better restos could be too. I wonder how that might be determined.😉 And we have another poster verifying that Thai tourists really have been known to buy B2000 pairs of shoes.

 

17 hours ago, Leaver said:

Are you suggesting the Thai government should declare every weekend a holiday weekend?  What about all the other weekends, and weekdays?  How's MK doing with domestic tourism then?  

As you’ve been told three or more times, domestic tourists usually travel to Pattaya on weekends and holidays, and they have been a growing and significant part of the local economy for the past 10 years. When they do, MK does better as do a lot of other businesses, obviously.

 

17 hours ago, Leaver said:

Street vendors are the back bone of the Thai tourism industry.  🤣

Stats?

 

17 hours ago, Leaver said:

You can keep talking up the local Pattaya economy all you like, but I know what I see on the ground here. 

I’m not as concerned to talk up the local economy as you are to talk it down. It happens that I cover a lot more ground than the beer bars and fleabag hotels around Soi Buakhao, however, so I merely offer an objective perspective. It’s typical to confuse objectivity with bias, however. You know, all those hideous Real Estate Agents jumping in and farang owners heading for exits and desperate to sell.

 

18 hours ago, Leaver said:

We will see in the next few months how well domestic Thai tourism supports the local economy.  

Why, yes we will, especially if we ever travel outside the Soi Buakhao area at various times. But we’ve quite recently seen how NO domestic tourism affected the local economy. Whatever we have will be clearly much better, except in monger hangouts, as it is now.

 

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