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4 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

???

no reason for voting by mail? serious?

here are some;

 

voting by mail would probably yield higher participation in the election,

in most countries that is considered a + for democracy

 

very convenient for lazy people

 

very convenient for people having difficulties moving around

 

handy tool for keeping spread of corona virii down

 

very convenient for people short of time

I'll reply to you and the other posters with similar comments.  Personally, I don't have an issue with mail-in-voting and I'll agree with you that there are benefits.  As long as it's secure, though.  Call me cynical if you like but I'm highly distrustful of politicians when they're h3ll bent on pushing something through giving flimsy reasons for doing so.  And using Covid as a reason is flimsy in my opinion.  No one here has confronted my point that going to the polls is no different than going to buy groceries or hemp.  Therefore their reasoning is suspect.  It's well known that politicians have agendas much different than those they speak and I'm long past believing they're altruistic and have the "people" in their hearts.  Not saying none exist that do.

 

It's fact that the Dems and libs (O.K., some Republicans, too) have been fixated on removing Trump from office since before he was sworn in.  They tried with the Russia hoax, which is now being exposed for what it truly was (and I believe some people will burn for it).  They tried with the Mueller probe, which failed and I believe will also be exposed as an utter sham.  They tried with impeachment, which was another set-up (I know, I know . . . believe what you will, I don't care) and that failed.  Does anyone truly believe that those wishing to depose Trump aren't ruthless and conniving?  And even a bit of blood on their hands wouldn't prevent them from catching a good night's sleep.

 

No.  This push for mail-in-voting stinks to me.

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33 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Not sure that’s true, but not the point I was making. 

 

They are baiting trump, he responds as expected and their funding goes up. Thus giving them the money to expand their campaign. 

As expected?  And what might that expectation be?  Just simply that he responds at all?  Or are they reading things into his responses . . . you know, making sh!t up and acting like it's r-e-a-l?  If he responds it isn't necessarily indicative of anything, is it?  You respond to my posts and sometimes I bait you.  So would you consider your response to me likewise to Trump's response to their ad?  As I said, you can always make sh!t up and say, "See, we triggered him and the Reagan reference really tormented him."  Is that really true or are they making sh!t up?  My advice is to look at what you're swallowing before you swallow.

 

As to the expansion of their campaign, hey, go right ahead.  I ain't scared.

 

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26 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

I'll reply to you and the other posters with similar comments.  Personally, I don't have an issue with mail-in-voting and I'll agree with you that there are benefits.  As long as it's secure, though.  Call me cynical if you like but I'm highly distrustful of politicians when they're h3ll bent on pushing something through giving flimsy reasons for doing so.  And using Covid as a reason is flimsy in my opinion.  No one here has confronted my point that going to the polls is no different than going to buy groceries or hemp.  Therefore their reasoning is suspect.  It's well known that politicians have agendas much different than those they speak and I'm long past believing they're altruistic and have the "people" in their hearts.  Not saying none exist that do.

 

It's fact that the Dems and libs (O.K., some Republicans, too) have been fixated on removing Trump from office since before he was sworn in.  They tried with the Russia hoax, which is now being exposed for what it truly was (and I believe some people will burn for it).  They tried with the Mueller probe, which failed and I believe will also be exposed as an utter sham.  They tried with impeachment, which was another set-up (I know, I know . . . believe what you will, I don't care) and that failed.  Does anyone truly believe that those wishing to depose Trump aren't ruthless and conniving?  And even a bit of blood on their hands wouldn't prevent them from catching a good night's sleep.

 

No.  This push for mail-in-voting stinks to me.

But the converse is also true.

 

Why are some people so dead against it?

 

It's been going on for years totally under the radar, and as I showed in my earlier post 34 States, red and blue do it.

 

To paraphrase Trump, 'this is total fake news'.

 

My GOP Governor or Secretary of State have no problem with it, nor did any of the previous GOP Governors of SD.

 

Why suddenly it's a 'problem' baffles me.

 

 

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1 minute ago, GinBoy2 said:

But the converse is also true.

 

Why are some people so dead against it?

 

It's been going on for years totally under the radar, and as I showed in my earlier post 34 States, red and blue do it.

 

To paraphrase Trump, 'this is total fake news'.

 

My GOP Governor or Secretary of State have no problem with it, nor did any of the previous GOP Governors of SD.

 

Why suddenly it's a 'problem' baffles me.

I'm for it as long as it's secure.  It's never been done before on a mass scale.  First time around with anything is rarely without problems.  True or no?  Look no further than what happened at the Iowa primary.  And here we aren't just talking about absentee ballots but mailing out ballots to everyone.  It's well known that voter rolls in many states are bogus.  When a state or county has more people on their voter rolls than the existing population, and they don't want to purge those voter rolls, you have to question.  Don't you?  It makes no reasonable sense not to purge them.  It's only common sense that tells you things are not on the up and up.

 

So you can't blame a lot of people who question the security of mass ballots mailed to everyone and anyone.  And aside from security why are Democratic politicians so adamant that it goes into effect?  I'm not talking about the people being for it, I'm talking about the politicians.  Do you trust them?  I don't belong to any party and never have in my lifetime, nor will I ever.  So I can't speak to the concept of "trusting your leaders" because I've never had any.  Do you trust your leaders?  I trust very, very few politicians and so I always ask myself what their real angle is.

 

I'm certain that if mail-in-ballots were ensured to be entirely secure you would have a difficult time finding anyone who would be against the idea.

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1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

As expected?  And what might that expectation be?  Just simply that he responds at all?  Or are they reading things into his responses . . . you know, making sh!t up and acting like it's r-e-a-l?  If he responds it isn't necessarily indicative of anything, is it?  You respond to my posts and sometimes I bait you.  So would you consider your response to me likewise to Trump's response to their ad?  As I said, you can always make sh!t up and say, "See, we triggered him and the Reagan reference really tormented him."  Is that really true or are they making sh!t up?  My advice is to look at what you're swallowing before you swallow.

 

As to the expansion of their campaign, hey, go right ahead.  I ain't scared.

 

Ah, truth hurting is it. 
 

It might not scare you, but it is another piece of the jigsaw that is in all probability going to lead trump to ignominious defeat this November. 

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1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:
1 hour ago, Bluespunk said:

This is a republican run campaign. 

True.  But they don't like Trump

So trump was right when he said the other day, nobody likes him, when even his own party turn against him

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27 minutes ago, GinBoy2 said:

But it's already on a mass scale, 34 out of 50 States do it, a few exclusively, and have for years.

 

What changed?

 

Absolutely nothing, except the ultra right media seem to have discovered a new boogie man.

 

I apply for the absentee ballot by mail along with a copy of my DL to prove I am eligible to vote, and thats it, and I think thats pretty common for most States that allow it.

 

The ID requirements are pretty comprehensive, so it's as safe as anything can be.

 

Here's the list of ID's from the SD application form.

 

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Well, South Dakota has an ID law?  Good on them.  Doesn't go far enough, though.  Should be a form of ID that identifies you as a citizen.  I see "passport" as an acceptable form of ID but a drivers license will do, too.  I was a green card holder and had a drivers license so I could have voted if I wanted to.  I never did, though.  Would have been illegal, but who's to know, right?  My conscience knew.

 

The mass scale you're referring to (number of states) isn't the same as the mass scale I'm referring to.  Not apples to apples.  I'm talking about mass mail-in-ballots.  Did you check out the CBS News link I posted a few hours ago?  Argue with the results.

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29 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Going to vote is not the same as going shopping.

 

And here's a thing, a paper ballot can be counted and recounted and, unlike data on a computer, can't be easily wiped out or altered.

 

Mail in voting also has the advantage that the mail in address is a single place which can't be closed to some voters while open to others, unlike polling stations which oddly get closed, not opened, moved at the last minute or not supplied with voting machines. 

 

 

In a Democracy it makes sense to make voting as convenient and secure as practicably possible. 

 

 

I don't think mail in voting goes far enough, I'd like to see a polling day made a public holiday and the rights of people who must work on polling day to take time off to vote protected in law. 

 

The bigger the turn out the more representative of the nation's wishes is the result.   

 

I've posted before that I've heard and read all of the pros and cons.  I've also posted all of my reasoning.  Security is the issue.  It ain't been tested before and first time around things can go horribly wrong.  I wouldn't risk it on one of the most important presidential elections since the last one.

 

Going to vote is no different than going shopping.  The goddamned country has been doing it since it's inception.  So your excuse is what?

 

As to the Covid reason, it's more than obvious that they're trying to scare everyone half to death and methinks the reason is to get the mail-in-ballots instituted.  As a foreigner who grew up in the States I had always appreciated Americans for their bravery.  The past twenty years or so I've come to the conclusion that America really needs to change some of the verbiage in their national anthem.  "Home of the brave" needs to be replaced by "home of the p=====s" because I've never seen so many Americans fearful of everything and anything, including their shadows.  I certainly wouldn't include all Americans but seems the tide is turning from Americans who once took the risk upon themselves to blaze new frontiers to Americans who are sorely in need of safe spaces, can't own their own emotions, blame others for their own self-triggering, can't handle the truth of their history and want to erase it, and I'll stop there.  Plenty of brave Americans still there, though.  And they're doing their damnedest to fight against the insanity that's consuming the country.

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