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3 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

So by your thoughts the UK should have abondoned lockdown once the NHS was up to scratch, correct? So considering that with lockdown the death total in the UK so far is approx. 46,000 what in your view would be an acceptable number of deaths then? 100,000, 150,000, 200,000?

These are the numbers extrapolated out so I'd be interested to hear just how many you would be willing to sacrifice.

46,000 is a vast over-statement. At least half of that number is made up of those people who had been infected with covid-19 but actually died from other causes. 

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And there we are, flip flop once again. Nothing but the official narrative will be tolerated... no matter they keep changing what that is. What are they scared of  ? oh yea people making their own minds up, being an individual and getting on with life despite the hurdles, now we are supposed to run away and hide on command.. Sad but true. 

 

Just to keep things in perspective, about 100 million net are added to human population annually 60m so far this year, despite the virus ... its NOT a big deal .. even if 1 million die its STILL not as much as kill TB, Malaria or Dengue annually or a bad flu season.. get a grip the world is sliding into hysterical chaos all around the globe and most have bought into the fear porn. it would be laughable a few years ago this would be tolerated by people but now it seems people are begging for totalitarianism, please destroy peoples livlihoods just shut it all down.. RUN and HIDE, lose everything and do as your told like a good little drone like the gov says, for nothing but a virus with a kill rate of less than 0.5%... talk about being weak minded and easily lead. Pathetic.

 

When it all goes into a tailspin and continues to get more crazy and worsen remember who put up with and helped it happen. Because for some reason people are like scared rabbits these days... 

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16 hours ago, Krataiboy said:

Personally, I'd rather keep my civil liberties and risk the virus.

Fortunately that is irrelevant.

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12 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

46,000 is a vast over-statement. At least half of that number is made up of those people who had been infected with covid-19 but actually died from other causes. 

Good distraction, but you are wrong. Very few actually die from covid and nobody has said otherwise, deaths are attributed to covid.  

With covid in the body pre-existing conditions are effectively unprotected and can become fatal.

 

Many that died without being tested could probably also be attributed to covid and it could also be said that those that died because they were too scared to seek treatment can be attributed to the covid outbreak.

What really is the true death toll of the pandemic?

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27 minutes ago, brucec64 said:

https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-coronavirus-strategy-high-death-toll-no-economic-gain-data-2020-7

 

Sweden's controversial anti-lockdown strategy resulted in a high death toll and no real economic gain, data shows

But don't let facts get in the way...

Did Swedens economy contract by 15% or more as much of Europe then and have businesses closed down at the same rate as those nations under shut down ? No it hasnt... death rates are unimportant its still way under 0.5% if contracted, its age and other health issues thats the main death factor... countries strategy cant really be compared for many reasons, its just life and btw an article online dosnt make a fact, and even facts are dependent on interpretation and presentation economic models and words can make things look very different with the same figures presented in different ways.. official gov stats and facts are not reliable It depends on how the death rates are counted and what constitutes a covid death also varies in statistics country to country...you may as well compare apples to oranges ...  

 

Id also bet Thailand will have more road related deaths annually .. yet theres no will to do anything about that... its medical hysterics nothing more. 

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17 minutes ago, englishoak said:

Did Swedens economy contract by 15% or more as much of Europe then and have businesses closed down at the same rate as those nations under shut down ? No it hasnt... death rates are unimportant its still way under 0.5% if contracted, its age and other health issues thats the main death factor... countries strategy cant really be compared for many reasons, its just life and btw an article online dosnt make a fact, and even facts are dependent on interpretation and presentation economic models and words can make things look very different with the same figures presented in different ways.. official gov stats and facts are not reliable It depends on how the death rates are counted and what constitutes a covid death also varies in statistics country to country...you may as well compare apples to oranges ...  

 

Id also bet Thailand will have more road related deaths annually .. yet theres no will to do anything about that... its medical hysterics nothing more. 

Sorry, lost you after the gross exaggeration in your first line, https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53606101

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14 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Sorry, lost you after the gross exaggeration in your first line, https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53606101

Really ? Instead of linking media pages read the reports these media companies lift convenient snippets from... lets look properly shall we at what Eurostat actually says. 

 

The latest Eurostat numbers show that during the second quarter of 2020, that’s over April May and June, Eurozone Gross Domestic Product (GDP) fell by 12.1% and the wider EU economy shrank by 11.9%. And when compared to the same period a year ago.

 

Eurostat says: seasonally adjusted GDP decreased by 15.0% in the euro area and by 14.4% in the EU in the second quarter of 2020, after -3.1% and -2.5% respectively in the previous quarter.

 

Id link but im not doing your work for you, if you can be bothered its easy to find and read but i doubt you are. 

 

So you see I wasnt exaggerating at all. Your apology is taken and accepted... 

 

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4 minutes ago, englishoak said:

Really ? Instead of linking media pages read the reports these media companies lift convenient snippets from... lets look properly shall we at what Eurostat actually says. 

 

The latest Eurostat numbers show that during the second quarter of 2020, that’s over April May and June, Eurozone Gross Domestic Product (GDP) fell by 12.1% and the wider EU economy shrank by 11.9%. And when compared to the same period a year ago.

 

Eurostat says: seasonally adjusted GDP decreased by 15.0% in the euro area and by 14.4% in the EU in the second quarter of 2020, after -3.1% and -2.5% respectively in the previous quarter.

 

I wasnt exaggerating and id link but im not doing your work for you, if you can be bothered its easy to find and read but i doubt you are. 

 

Much of Europe contracted by 15% or more is simply not true, no matter how you try to twist it.

 

So yes, you were grossly exaggerating.

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1 minute ago, stevenl said:

Much of Europe contracted by 15% or more is simply not true, no matter how you try to twist it.

 

So yes, you were grossly exaggerating.

Just go read the actual document if you can be bothered, it lays out the numbers and youll see some major members exceed 15% but whatever, you stick with the BBC for your facts and stay uninformed. it bothers me not one jot. 

 

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13 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

Stop with this massively debunked theory or produce some evidence to back it up.

Why on earth would anyone want to exagerate the number of deaths? If anything they would want them lower. Here are the facts:-

From Tuesday 28 April, NHS England and NHS Improvement started to report the number of patient deaths where there has been no COVID-19 positive test result, but where COVID-19 is documented as a direct or underlying cause of death on part 1 or part 2 of the death certification process.   This change has been introduced for deaths that occurred on 24th April and subsequently and is shown separately in the region data table only. https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/

Plus we all know people are dying of other causes; that's what C19 does, it affects the vulnerable who in turn die of pneumonia or other lung diseases. However, the point is without C19 they would still be alive. https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/02/14/805289669/how-covid-19-kills-the-new-coronavirus-disease-can-take-a-deadly-turn 

Here is another fact:

The first two deaths related to the novel coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) were reported in Germany on March 9. By July 30, 2020, the number of deaths related to the virus in the Federal Republic had risen to 9,134. The median age of death was 82 years.
Source: https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/1104173/umfrage/todesfaelle-aufgrund-des-coronavirus-in-deutschland-nach-geschlecht/

With this high age median, the question is indeed how much of it would have died without C19.

 

 

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20 hours ago, Krataiboy said:

Cheer up, Stephen. The COVID outbreak is clearly on its last legs and by the time we get a properly tried and tested vaccine, it will probably either have become redundant or largely ineffective against the hundred-plus sons and daughters of Sars 2 already doing the rounds.

 

Vaccines rushed to market without adequate trials have a chequered history. For this reason, whichever lab wins the current race, their shots must be offered only a voluntary basis, as with flu. Body sovereignty is one of our few remaining human rights not already being trampled on the pretext of beating the pandemic.

 

Economies which have suffered most in the last six months have done so not because of the virus but as a result of panicky, ill-thought-out political policies, not least business-wrecking lockdowns. Next time around, we need to learn the lesson of Sweden's saner, more rational approach and their healthy subsequent bounce-back.

 

Outbreak is on his last legs? What planet do you live on?

Sweden's approach has cost them more deaths than their neighbors, so not a good example.

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34 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

Here is another fact:

The first two deaths related to the novel coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) were reported in Germany on March 9. By July 30, 2020, the number of deaths related to the virus in the Federal Republic had risen to 9,134. The median age of death was 82 years.
Source: https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/1104173/umfrage/todesfaelle-aufgrund-des-coronavirus-in-deutschland-nach-geschlecht/

With this high age median, the question is indeed how much of it would have died without C19.

 

 

In the USA people in their 80s account for less than half of all covid-19 deaths; people in their 40s, 50s and 60s, meanwhile, account for a significantly larger share of those who die.

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