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Thais and water...such a bad mix.   

 

RIP to the poor souls that lost their lives. 

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URGENT: All ferries between the islands Phangan, Samui, and Tao, and to the mainland have been stopped from today, August 2nd for three days, including till August 4th, by decree from the Governor of Surat Thani.

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7 hours ago, PFMills said:

I’ve done that Crossing in bad weather. It’s true people do actually go green... For the return journey I didn’t have any breakfast, I was really glad I didn’t...

Any ferry is the same. Hua Hin to Pattaya hadms people chucking up all the way when the sea is choppy. 

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9 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Why would a ferry run at the time of night

💰💰💰 Greed, Arrogance, etc.

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1 hour ago, khunPer said:

URGENT: All ferries between the islands Phangan, Samui, and Tao, and to the mainland have been stopped from today, August 2nd for three days, including till August 4th, by decree from the Governor of Surat Thani.

It has been mentioned that the stop of ferry traffic is only between 5 pm and 5 am, please check with the ferry-line if you need to cross.

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4 hours ago, Airbagwill said:

I don't believe how naive this comment is - you realise this is THAILAND we are talking about???

As explained, as it should be but here are things not as they should be. Read the entire comment again if you don't understand.

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4 hours ago, Airbagwill said:

No! Extremely unlikely.

 

although Raja 4 if that was the boat is quite small a fewwtrucks would not overload it. 

What invariably happens is water gets onto te cargo deck - tis this and the load slurps around th boat is flipped. This can be incredibly quick too.

 

As for setting off, rthat is a different matter - virtually EVERY Ro-RO ferry in Thailand is suitable to sail on only flat seas - any strong swell or chop is potentially lethal for these vessels.

My guess is that because it was a "trade only" crossing the skipper or someone decided to push the envelope a little as there were no tourists to get frightened or sick.

 

Overloaded, poor stability, free liquid surfaces it doesn't really matter, the ship should never have left port as it was not seaworthy the weather, if seaworthy at all! An example of poor seamanship and a reminder how quickly things can go badly wrong at sea. Estonia sunk in the Baltic sea 1994 because the captain's priority was the time schedule and not the safety of ship and passengers. The other passenger ferries did 4 knots that night when Estonia did 15 knots. Because of that captain's poor judgement 852 people lost their lives that night.

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                      Please keep in mind, this kind of accidents happens all over

                      the world.

                      The capsize of a passenger ship very close to land in Italy,

                      "Concordia" something, where the Captain fleed the ship like

                      a rat, and sure, he was a rat! The passenger ship in S. Korea,

                      with another rat Captain fleeing, to save HIS life, and leaving

                      school shildren to die (I have pictures of that one, after salvation

                      of the ship, lying on a pier in a harbour where my ship came in to.

                      If you want to have a look, just say so and I will give it to you all).

                      The Estonia ship in the Baltic Sea, The fire accident of "Scandinavian

                      Star" between Norway and Sweden, not to mention all ferry accidents

                      around the Philiphine Islands. I could go on, but I guess you get the picture!

                      And most of these accidents are related to "human error".

                      And for sure, it will happen again and again, no matter what

                      precautions anyone will take.

                        

 

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5 hours ago, khunkarl said:

And now he will have to take the full responsibility for what has happened. 

He's dead.

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4 hours ago, ronaldo0 said:

 I haven’t heard of any air search going on which would be obvious way to look but wife said they did find two people today alive on Koh tan .

Three helicopters in the search, of course there was an air search going on!  Why wouldn't there be?  Idiotic comment.

 

Yes, two people found so a small mercy.

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29 minutes ago, keystonecoppers2 said:

 

 

                      Please keep in mind, this kind of accidents happens all over

                      the world.

                      The capsize of a passenger ship very close to land in Italy,

                      "Concordia" something, where the Captain fleed the ship like

                      a rat, and sure, he was a rat! The passenger ship in S. Korea,

                      with another rat Captain fleeing, to save HIS life, and leaving

                      school shildren to die (I have pictures of that one, after salvation

                      of the ship, lying on a pier in a harbour where my ship came in to.

                      If you want to have a look, just say so and I will give it to you all).

                      The Estonia ship in the Baltic Sea, The fire accident of "Scandinavian

                      Star" between Norway and Sweden, not to mention all ferry accidents

                      around the Philiphine Islands. I could go on, but I guess you get the picture!

                      And most of these accidents are related to "human error".

                      And for sure, it will happen again and again, no matter what

                      precautions anyone will take.

                        

 

It happens everywhere in the world, totally correct. It will happen again no matter what precautions we take, totally wrong. Of course it will happen again but precautions, risk assessment, stability calculations, updated weather reports, ship maintenance, good seamanship and so much more are all keys factors for a safe sea passage. I've been working at sea for 20 years of my life and it's not by mere chance I'm still alive to do continue do the same. By the way Estonia sunk because the captain was pushing his ship 3 times as hard as any another passenger ferry of the same size in the same waters that night. Scandinavian star was arsoned  due to a insurance fraud..

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16 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

He's dead.

Even worse

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I've been giving this some thought as a seafarer myself. In my opinion the rapidness of events does indicate that Raja 4 did not have sufficient ballast. Therefore not overloaded but the exact opposite. And probably they didn't fill any as they normally don't need to. Which would result in heavy rolling causing rapid water intrusion and/or shift of cargo, even if the trucks were properly secured which I doubt they were, as again normally not needed. Probably just a wedge to prevent them from rolling forward and back, which is useless when the ship rolls side to side. RORO vessels (which stands for roll on roll off) are in particular vulnerable for heavy rolling side to side. As a seafarer my thoughts go today the victims and their families. It's so sad this had to happen when it could have been avoided in the first place.

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                                  Khunkarl.

 

              I agree with you that precautions will make a progress to be

              safer sailing in the future, but it will never be 100%, because

             of human error. Estonia was a human error, made by the captain

             and his officers on the bridge. They where speeding more than was

             needed in the very bad sea, because they where racing against another

             passenger ship from Helsinki, both en route to Stockholm. Why?

             Because they wanted to get to the Stockholm archipelago first,

             you could say ego took over.

             Scandinavian Star was a human error as well, even if arson was involved. 

             They had rebuilt the corridors on both starboard and port side,

             actually making it a death trap, instead of a safe way out, as it was, before 

             rebuilding. The human error I would suggest lies at the hands of the

             "architects" for the new layout, as well in the hands of the shipyard people

             that did not "see" what mistake they where about to build.

 

             I`ve been sailing for more than 40 years, and everytime I`ve been to

             a fire course (every 5 year, 5 days, mandatory), discussions always come up

             about S. Star. 

             Try to Google the ship and find the blueprint, then you know what I`m 

             talking about.  Anyway, nice to talk to a fellow seaman.   Cheers!     

 

             

 

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                            Khunkarl!

 

               Totally agree regarding the Raja 4. I`ve been on the Seatrans with car 

               many times, back and forth to the Island and they always seem to take

               precautions, regarding trucks and cars. The ships are getting old

               but as a sailor, I asked if I could see the engine room. They showed me,

               and I can tell you, it was spotless, not an oil slick, even around the

               separators. It was as a dollhouse. Surprised was an understatement,

               and ever since, I feel safe going with them. But sure, you never know

               when something comes up and bite your ass!   Cheers! 

 

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