Popular Post Brunolem Posted August 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 2, 2020 The very fact that pharmaceutical companies are asking for immunity in case something goes wrong with their (rushed) vaccine against covid 19 is enough to raise serious concern for those able to think... https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-astrazeneca-results-vaccine-liability/astrazeneca-to-be-exempt-from-coronavirus-vaccine-liability-claims-in-most-countries-idUKKCN24V2EN 6 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4MyEgo Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Brunolem said: he very fact that pharmaceutical companies are asking for immunity As far as I have always understood it, It's always been like this, nothing new, hence the reason they rarely would go down the alley of making vaccines, i.e. until recently when governments threw money at them and guaranteed them immunity. I'm happy to sit on the sidelines, watch and see how it all pans out with the guinea pigs first, and then make a decision but to be honest, without vaccines in this world, all scepticism aside, I believe it would be a darker place. Edited August 2, 2020 by 4MyEgo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Boomer6969 Posted August 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 2, 2020 Did you overlook the fact that pharmaceuticals companies will not make the decision to put their vaccine on the market. There are standard testing protocols that must be followed, strict compliance is then verified by government agencies Now of course I'd prefer to get get vaccinated in Europe, or with vaccines approved in Europe, instead of Thailand where graft is likely to get involved in the approval process. I'd have similar concerns regarding products approved in the US, where lobbying often becomes "toxic". 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivas Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Well nobody will be coming into Thailand without it once its validated so people need to make the choice No vaccine no entry 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garygooner Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 A vaccine for some won't be good for others. The virus also mutates. How many different vaccines will be required? Guinea pigs first for sure. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4MyEgo Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Boomer6969 said: Did you overlook the fact that pharmaceuticals companies will not make the decision to put their vaccine on the market. There are standard testing protocols that must be followed, strict compliance is then verified by government agencies Now of course I'd prefer to get get vaccinated in Europe, or with vaccines approved in Europe, instead of Thailand where graft is likely to get involved in the approval process. I'd have similar concerns regarding products approved in the US, where lobbying often becomes "toxic". I got the influenza vaccine here in May along with the Pneumonia shot, my research led me to believe it is as safe getting her as it is overseas, wife also got her influenza jab, afterall I could just walk out of there without her sharing the experience, she is a big wuss when it comes to needles, but will take on a venomous snake, go figure ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Puccini Posted August 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 2, 2020 4 hours ago, 4MyEgo said: I got the influenza vaccine here in May along with the Pneumonia shot, my research led me to believe it is as safe getting her as it is overseas... I got a lot of vaccinations overseas, in Indonesia, Philippines, Singapore and Thailand, and never gave it a thought that it might be less safe than in my home country. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThailandRyan Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 5 hours ago, Chivas said: Well nobody will be coming into Thailand without it once its validated so people need to make the choice No vaccine no entry And you have 1st hand knowledge this will be so.... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OneMoreFarang Posted August 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 2, 2020 I wouldn't trust any vaccine which Trump declares safe on the 2nd November. Maybe sometime next year. It's definitely a good idea to wait a little. And in reality we have to wait anyhow. It will take some time before any vaccine will be mass produced for billions of people. 5 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post connda Posted August 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 2, 2020 5 hours ago, garygooner said: A vaccine for some won't be good for others. The virus also mutates. How many different vaccines will be required? Guinea pigs first for sure. Efficacy is a moot point. It doesn't matter. What matters is how much money the pharmaceutical companies will amass once governments mandate the vaccine. $60 a pop. 7 Billion people. 1 dose. And of course, they'll need to be a regular vaccination schedule to make sure the world isn't wiped out by killer Covid. This will soon be a multi-trillion dollar industry. Money that will of course roll downhill as 'campaign contributions' to the politicians who support legislation that mandates as well as provides blanket protection (indemnification) of all companies producing 'approved' Covid vaccine. Humanity is a captive audience. The vaccines could kill as many as the virus itself in the long term but the reaction from those racking in the cash will be, "Ho hum, it's the price humanity must pay to be protected from the killer virus." If the vaccine is 'completely safe and effective' than those who make it should be liable for adverse results. Because they are not, there is no incentive to actually produce a vaccine that is safe as well as effective because - "We need a vaccine now!" And once will be produced in a jiffy and injected into every human on the planet. What could go wrong? 8 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BritManToo Posted August 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 2, 2020 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Puccini said: I got a lot of vaccinations overseas, in Indonesia, Philippines, Singapore and Thailand, and never gave it a thought that it might be less safe than in my home country. I've had no vaccinations in over 50 years, been all over the world, I'm still here. Had flu once in the past 10 years, but it might have been COVID. Funny old world, those people with all the vaccinations seem to get ill more often than me. Probably my fault. Edited August 2, 2020 by BritManToo 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alyx Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 44 minutes ago, Puccini said: I got a lot of vaccinations overseas, in Indonesia, Philippines, Singapore and Thailand, and never gave it a thought that it might be less safe than in my home country. And it is not 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trucking Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 George Carlin would not have approved of a hastily released vaccine. His sketch on germs has some amusing opinions. Youtube search . George Carkin germs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Surelynot Posted August 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 2, 2020 14 minutes ago, BritManToo said: I've had no vaccinations in over 50 years, been all over the world, I'm still here. Had flu once in the past 10 years, but it might have been COVID. Funny old world, those people with all the vaccinations seem to get ill more often than me. Probably my fault. It is because generations of other less selfish people have had their vaccinations that you have been able to travel disease free!!!! 7 2 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Antonymous Posted August 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 2, 2020 18 minutes ago, BritManToo said: I've had no vaccinations in over 50 years, been all over the world, I'm still here. Had flu once in the past 10 years, but it might have been COVID. Funny old world, those people with all the vaccinations seem to get ill more often than me. Probably my fault. Same for me. I have elderly friends in the USA who get flu shots religiously and have had bouts of flu four out of the past ten years that I've known them! I don't want a vaccine against a virus. I want immunity against the State. 7 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warcy Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 6 hours ago, Chivas said: Well nobody will be coming into Thailand without it once its validated so people need to make the choice No vaccine no entry I hope that's not the new requirement in Thailand. Every foreigner need to have covid test and vaccine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThailandRyan Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 10 minutes ago, warcy said: I hope that's not the new requirement in Thailand. Every foreigner need to have covid test and vaccine? Fake news on having to be vaccinated started by the post you responded to. Nothing anywhere that says a vaccination will be required. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puccini Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 45 minutes ago, BritManToo said: I've had no vaccinations in over 50 years, been all over the world, I'm still here... I got my vaccinations because they were required by some of the countries to which I chose to travel or because they were part of the requirements of getting my work permit in some countries. One time, when I had forgotten to get a revaccination in advance, the airlines medical service at the airport of departure administered it to me. It has been suggested by some posters that Thailand may require a SARS-CoV-2 vaccination when the borders reopen and it remains to be seen how this develops. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ThailandRyan Posted August 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Puccini said: I got my vaccinations because they were required by some of the countries to which I chose to travel or because they were part of the requirements of getting my work permit in some countries. One time, when I had forgotten to get a revaccination in advance, the airlines medical service at the airport of departure administered it to me. It has been suggested by some posters that Thailand may require a SARS-CoV-2 vaccination when the borders reopen and it remains to be seen how this develops. Posters not official government persons. So do you want to believe a poster or wait for the real news when and if it comes. Why worry now. Wait to see what actually happens. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 10 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said: I wouldn't trust any vaccine which Trump declares safe on the 2nd November. Maybe sometime next year. It's definitely a good idea to wait a little. And in reality we have to wait anyhow. It will take some time before any vaccine will be mass produced for billions of people. The FDA approves vaccines in the US. There is information about that process here: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/basics/test-approve.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Scott Posted August 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 2, 2020 It's always wise to consult your doctor about getting a new vaccine. Some groups of people may be advised against a specific vaccine. Different vaccines work in different ways. So, if there are mass immunization programs and you have any doubts, check with your doctor. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odysseus123 Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 10 hours ago, trucking said: George Carlin would not have approved of a hastily released vaccine. His sketch on germs has some amusing opinions. Youtube search . George Carkin germs. Ah...George Carlin-the well respected scientist,medical researcher and epidemiologist. No wonder that Western social media seems to consist of "tweets" produced ad nauseam by the intellectually challenged. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matzzon Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 19 hours ago, Brunolem said: he very fact that pharmaceutical companies are asking for immunity in case something goes wrong They have always done that. Why do you continue this fear mongering? Just make your own decision and live with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGW Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 30 minutes ago, Odysseus123 said: intellectually challenged. Some are still able to think for themselves, don't knock them! ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Odysseus123 Posted August 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 2, 2020 1 minute ago, CGW said: Some are still able to think for themselves, don't knock them! ???? Really.. George Carlin eh? What's next..Bugs Bunny..Daffy Duck...W.C Fields? The spurious claims that American right wing "libertarians" somehow "think" for themselves are accepted only by their ideological compatriots. So I will "knock " them as much as I like thank you. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tounge Thaied Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 This NCOVID19 is called SARS2. Go take a look at how the SARS1 vaccine is doing... that will tell you a little about what to expect with the SARS2 vaccine. Hint: things haven't gone well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tribalfusion001 Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, Tounge Thaied said: This NCOVID19 is called SARS2. Go take a look at how the SARS1 vaccine is doing... that will tell you a little about what to expect with the SARS2 vaccine. Hint: things haven't gone well. What if Covid-19 vaccine produced is a placebo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartender100 Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 17 hours ago, Chivas said: Well nobody will be coming into Thailand without it once its validated so people need to make the choice No vaccine no entry I think you might be spot on, I am in my sixties never had a flu shot in my life, but if I need a a vac to get back to Thailand I will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OneMoreFarang Posted August 3, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Scott said: The FDA approves vaccines in the US. There is information about that process here: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/basics/test-approve.html And how independent are they? Hopefully they make all their decisions based on science. But looking at the current situation with this unprincipled president in charge we see how he and his administration fired lots of qualified people which he didn't like and then they were replaced often with less qualified people. Then add i.e. the Boing disaster from that plane which was supposed to be cleared from that supposed to be independent organization and we all should get an idea how much we can trust them. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trucking Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Odysseus123 said: Really.. George Carlin eh? What's next..Bugs Bunny..Daffy Duck...W.C Fields? The spurious claims that American right wing "libertarians" somehow "think" for themselves are accepted only by their ideological compatriots. So I will "knock " them as much as I like thank you. Actually, George Carlin was a comedian who's remit was to make people laugh , something he was good at. His parodying of popular beliefs and opinions was what made him famous. Humorous takes on current affairs , that is all. To assume he was a serious contributor to anything is in itself commical. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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